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post #141 of 313
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Bear in mind, however, that some people have reactions to commercially prepared gelatin, which will contain small amounts of free glutamic acid, similar to MSG.
Maybe that is the reason the knox isn't as good as the other broths you can buy that you know come from well raised cows and fish, etc?

The healing power of broth...ds woke up sick this morning, and I had chicken broth simmering in my crock pot and fed him some. He's been fine so far the rest of the day! (knock on wood)

I've been back in the game for the past few days. Thanks for sharing your success with doing your yogurt in the oven with a 50 watt light, crunchymama. I bought a 60 watt light to use and made 4 quarts of yogurt at once in my oven, and the temp stayed right where it should the whole time. Much cheaper way to do it!

Okay, you guys have got to help me stick to it longer than 2 weeks! I never seem to be able to stick to these things longer than that. This diet is really easy to stick to as long as you have the things you need at home. It sucks when you are out though, you just have to be hungry a few hours longer, because there is basically no foods that I trust to eat out. Who knows what they add to their stuff. I just need to start being more prepared in my bag with portable food. I don't know what though. Oh well, we try to be around home as much as possible anyway.
post #142 of 313
Thanks, Jane, for the stock recipe. I've never made it with the vinegar before. I'll have to try it.

All of a sudden, the health food store here started carrying raw milk. I bought some and made the 24 hr yogurt using a food warmer I found at the thrift store for $3.00. I had some this morning. It definitely had an effect on my digestion. I am hoping dd's face won't break out if I start eating it. I will just have to wait and see. I'm also on my 2nd day of no chocolate and no sugar, which to you SCD's, won't seem like much, but I had really gone off the deep end with it.

You all sound like you are doing well on the diet. How's Moneca and her little one?
post #143 of 313
We're still on the diet, ds and I that is (dh has been cheating left and right, but not in front of ds thankfully). I am amazed that my chocolate cravings have gotten better, nuts seem to quelch it for some reason (the fat?). I am still getting migraines, but not as bad. I do hate always having to carry food everywhere. Any ideas for easy portable snacks and meals?
post #144 of 313
Jane, do you keep the soak water for the stock with the vinegar in it? And what do you do with the fat, just toss it?
post #145 of 313

SCD grocery list

I wanted a grocery list of items to always have on hand, so I went through the BTVC recipes and wrote down all the ingredients in the recipes, since I noticed that most ingredients are repeated in all the recipes.
It's not perfect, but I thought it might be helpful for others.

SCD grocery list

FRUIT:
apples
raisins
pears
lemon
lime
pineapple
orange
cranberries
blueberries
raspberries (fresh, frozen)
bananas
california dates
peaches
crushed, unsweetened pineapple
unsweetened coconut

VEGETABLES
onions
carrots
garlic
tomatoes
green peppers (pgs 90, 93, 99, 119)
cucumber
parsley
celery
cabbage
eggplant (pg 92)
ginger
red onion
cilantro
red bell pepper (pg 95)
lettuce
zucchini
green onion (pgs 99, 106)
acorn squash
spaghetti squash
pumpkin
cauliflower
broccoli (pg 119)
mushrooms
peas

LIQUIDS
dry white wine
apple cidar
tomato juice
vinegar (white, cider)
frozen orange juice concentrate
milk and cream to make yogurt

SPICES
cinnamon
dry mustard powder
tarragon
basil (fresh, dried)
bay leaf
italian spices
nutmeg

OTHER
peanut butter (no additives)
almonds (whole, slivered)
almond flour
walnuts
pecans
honey
unflavored gelatin
vanilla
baking soda
chicken with bones for stock
chicken breast
butter
olive oil
beef bones for stock
ground beef
dry curd cottage cheese
cheddar cheese
100% pure parmesan cheese
brick cheese, colby cheese
havarti cheese
eggs
white beans
lentils
canned anchovies, tuna, salmon
canned, fresh, or frozen fish (halibut, flounder, sole, shrimp, lobster, crabmeat)
post #146 of 313
Nice list. Looking at that the diet doesn't seem too bad. Still waiting for the book.

I tried making yogurt twice this month and both times it didn't turn out. Mostly because I forget I put it in the oven (I will have to try the 60 w light bulb if I can figure out how to change it) and so it sits there for hours at too low a temp. The other time I made it in a cooler with hot water and it still didn't turn out. It turns out all slimy. Like I can pour it out and it is all connected slime!! What temp should you be incubating it for? I thought 95 was ok? That is what it was in the cooler and it didn't work ( but that might be the time I tried only heating my milk to 110 to preserve the enzymes. What does turning into slime mean? To many bad bacteria? Not enough starter? I usually use Brown Cow or Seven Stars, but they all have bifidum in them. I don't really like the idea of Dannon for the fact that it isn't organic (and conventional milk icks me out). Is the yogurmet starter a good one? I guess I don't like the idea of it because it is a powder.

Ok one last question. I am still having my thrush issues. Major pain here and I am about ready to go to the doctor and get diflucan. I just want it gone so that I can nurse without agonizing pain. I am just worried the diflucan will end up making it worse in the long run. What do you all think?
Right now I am treating with GSE and vinegar and coconut oil (I just did a 3 day GV round, but it is a little too rough on my nipples).

Thanks.
post #147 of 313
aristicat, on the yogurt the temp needs to be 100-110. I'm not sure about the slime.... When you first heat the milk it has to be to 185, then cool to 108-112, then to the oven for 24 hrs. I am not thrilled that the Dannon is not organic, but it is my option right now. I did use organic milk though. I wish I could help on the thrush, but I really have no clue. I think though that the SCD would do wonders for it, especially the yogurt.

tweetybirds, thanks for the list, that is helpful. We are still trying to figure things out here!

as far as snacks to carry, we are new to this and I just haven't been eating out, or not eating perfect; I had a plain chicken breast once as I was desperately hungry.

sarah- it is huge giving up the chocolate and sugar, those to me are by far the 2 biggest things! I so miss chocolate! I did find a recipe today for toffee, which is another love! Oh, and I made some SCD macaroons which were to die for (recipe from pecanbread).

oh, thought I would post a recipe for pumpkin soup, I haven't thoroughly went through it to check all the ingredients, but it looked like it could be made SCD legal easily.

Quote:
Tunisian Pumpkin Soup
From Moosewood Restaurant Daily Special

2 c chopped onions
2 T olive oil
½ c peeled and sliced carrots
½ c peeled and sliced parsnips
1 ½ t salt
2 ½ c water or vegetable stock *
1 ¼ c unsweetened apple juice *
½ c tomato juice ^
1 t ground cumin
½ t ground nutmeg
½ t ground cinnamon
½ t paprika
1 ¾ c cooked pumpkin (15-ounce can)=

Spice Swirl
2 T olive oil
1 t minced garlic
4 t ground coriander
1 t ground caraway+
¼ t cayenne
2 T fresh lemon juice
2 T minced fresh cilantro+
1/8 t salt

In a soup pot, sauté the onions in the oil until they become translucent,
about 10 minutes. Stir in the carrots, parsnips, and salt and continues to
sauté for about 5 minutes. Add the water or stock, apple and tomato juices,
cumin, nutmeg, cinnamon, and paprika. Cover the pot and bring to a boil;
then reduce the heat and simmer until the vegetables are tender. Strain out
the vegetables with a slotted spoon and puree in a blender or food
processor. Return pureed vegetables to the broth, add the pumpkin, and stir
well. Gently reheat, if necessary.

To make the swirl, heat the oil in a small skillet and sauté the garlic on
medium heat for 1 minute . Add the coriander, caraway, and cayenne and
continue to cook, stirring constantly. When the mixture begins to bubble, 2
to 3 minutes, remove it from the heat and transfer to a small bowl. Sitr in
the lemon juice, cilantro and salt..

Ladle the soup into bowls and top each with some spice swirl.
oh, and even our local grocer has had a fabulous selection of organic squash! I have been having sqaghetti squash with a homemade spaghetti sauce, which makes me feel like I am cheating. tomorrow I hope to modify a pumpkin pie recipe to use some of the butternut squash I have!

I have tried dairy and am not sure how lil' man, or me is tolerating it. oh, how I miss the cheese! I really need to cut it out though. I think the yogurt will be ok though.
post #148 of 313
Hi all. I am completely new to this thread, and very interested in learning about healing the gut. I think my family really needs a nutrition overhaul, even though none of us has obvious food allergies. I do think food has an enormous effect on behavior, mood and health. I have to say that this thread is completely overwhelming! It's going to take me forever to read through it (and all the other Healing the Gut threads). So for now I'll just be : and probably be back with questions.
post #149 of 313

Intro

Hey y'all!

I just wanted to post an intro and subscribe to this thread. We've been down that long and trecherous journey of food allergies. We're on a very strict elimination diet for the moment. I've been considering doing SCD for a long time now, but haven't gotten my hiney in gear to do it. Partly because I'm unsure that it will help, and partly because it means giving up even *more* foods!

But the other day, we went to a new chiropractor who uses muscle testing for food allergies. He's been doing it for 40 years and is very experienced. He did a muscle test on our DD, and looked me straight in the eye and told me he found NO food allergies!! I was astonished and amazed. I argued with him "oh no! This girl is DEFINITELY allergic!! I carry an epi-pen!" and on and on.

Now, the visit was a brief one simply because the appointment was actually for DH and I explained to the Dr. that we'd be bringing DD in later that week. He said "oh set her in your lap and let's go ahead and clear her for something." That's what started it all. We're going back in today for her "real" visit.

So here I am thinking "what if all this time it was REALLY TRULY only gut related and not food allergies (of the true sense) at all???" So now I'm just on the verge of beginning the SCD. We will be seeing a nutritional therapist next week, and I want to get her opinions before starting. And also, I wanted to get some advice as to the best way to get going. One thing I do know is that before beginning a new diet, I must come up with some meals and snacks and stock the pantry AHEAD of time. Boy have I messed that up in the past, and it's really disheartening to want to eat something and find that there's nothing to eat!

OK, enough blabbering. Oh, I haven't yet read the past thread. If I were to try to do that first, I'd never get my intro-post done!
post #150 of 313
Hi Pilgrim! Welcome to the thread! (LOL as if I can welcome people, we're not even on the SCD) Anyway, just wanted to point out that starting the diet will allow you to eat a variety of foods that you would not be able to on an elimination diet, so I think it should be more appealing to people who can't stand to give things up! For one thing, eggs, nuts, and dairy are allowed after your body has healed a bit. I am also skeptical of allergy tests and whatnot, they seem so random and unreliable. Good luck with figuring out what works best for you!
post #151 of 313
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetybirds2
Okay, you guys have got to help me stick to it longer than 2 weeks! I never seem to be able to stick to these things longer than that. This diet is really easy to stick to as long as you have the things you need at home. It sucks when you are out though, you just have to be hungry a few hours longer, because there is basically no foods that I trust to eat out. Who knows what they add to their stuff. I just need to start being more prepared in my bag with portable food. I don't know what though. Oh well, we try to be around home as much as possible anyway.
Hang in there!!

I always try to make double batches of cookies/muffins and freeze small 2 people portions to grab on the way out the door. And fruit. Although with DS still needing to have his fruit cooked, that's hard now. Cheese is a great easy snack too if you can do it. In a pinch, I grab DS's waffles
post #152 of 313


hey tweetybirds2! didn't know you were here too!
post #153 of 313
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Originally Posted by JaneS
I always try to make double batches of cookies
Hi Jane,

What cookie recipes do you like/use?
post #154 of 313
Thread Starter 
I made up my own recipe:

Almond Cookies

1 1/2 cups finely ground almond flour
1 egg
1/4 c. honey
1/4 c. coconut oil
1 teasp. vanilla, or
1/2 teasp. almond extract, or
1/2 teasp. anise extract, or
1 teasp. vanilla and 3/4 teasp. cinnamon

On a parchment paper lined baking sheet, drop by teaspoons and flatten out.

Bake 350F for 10-12 mins. Best if they are not too browned. Store in frig. or freezer.

They come out soft. If you like crispy, you can dry out in a barely warm oven or dehydrator.

I'm trying these now, let you know tomorrow how they come out.
http://www.grainfreegourmet.com/sandcookies.html
post #155 of 313
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sarahariz
Thanks, Jane, for the stock recipe. I've never made it with the vinegar before. I'll have to try it.

All of a sudden, the health food store here started carrying raw milk. I bought some and made the 24 hr yogurt using a food warmer I found at the thrift store for $3.00. I had some this morning. It definitely had an effect on my digestion. I am hoping dd's face won't break out if I start eating it. I will just have to wait and see. I'm also on my 2nd day of no chocolate and no sugar, which to you SCD's, won't seem like much, but I had really gone off the deep end with it.

You all sound like you are doing well on the diet. How's Moneca and her little one?
Sarah

How's your bunny's face today? Any effects from the yogurt?

Good luck on your diet changes, believe me I hear you, I'm only on SCD b/c I finally reached a point where I had to be. Thankfully it's a pretty pleasant diet compared to the Elim Diet, that's for sure!

Moneca and Sierra are still dealing with some physical digestive issues, she's been MIA lately. I miss her
post #156 of 313
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pookietooth
Jane, do you keep the soak water for the stock with the vinegar in it? And what do you do with the fat, just toss it?
Yes, definately b/c the vinegar is to dissolve more minerals into the stock, you can even add more. The finished stock never tastes a bit like vinegar at all.

Depends on the fat, sometimes I keep a bit of it, like lamb or beef to make the meat very moist but throw away most of it. Chicken: there is not much and it's soft even when chilled, so I just stir it back into the reduced stock.

Although I probably should be using all the fat b/c it has vitamin D I think?
post #157 of 313
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetybirds2
I wanted a grocery list of items to always have on hand, so I went through the BTVC recipes and wrote down all the ingredients in the recipes, since I noticed that most ingredients are repeated in all the recipes.
It's not perfect, but I thought it might be helpful for others.
That's an AWESOME list, thank you!
post #158 of 313
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by artisticat
Nice list. Looking at that the diet doesn't seem too bad. Still waiting for the book.

I tried making yogurt twice this month and both times it didn't turn out. Mostly because I forget I put it in the oven (I will have to try the 60 w light bulb if I can figure out how to change it) and so it sits there for hours at too low a temp. The other time I made it in a cooler with hot water and it still didn't turn out. It turns out all slimy. Like I can pour it out and it is all connected slime!! What temp should you be incubating it for? I thought 95 was ok? That is what it was in the cooler and it didn't work ( but that might be the time I tried only heating my milk to 110 to preserve the enzymes. What does turning into slime mean? To many bad bacteria? Not enough starter? I usually use Brown Cow or Seven Stars, but they all have bifidum in them. I don't really like the idea of Dannon for the fact that it isn't organic (and conventional milk icks me out). Is the yogurmet starter a good one? I guess I don't like the idea of it because it is a powder.

Ok one last question. I am still having my thrush issues. Major pain here and I am about ready to go to the doctor and get diflucan. I just want it gone so that I can nurse without agonizing pain. I am just worried the diflucan will end up making it worse in the long run. What do you all think?
Right now I am treating with GSE and vinegar and coconut oil (I just did a 3 day GV round, but it is a little too rough on my nipples).

Thanks.
Slimy yogurt means there are yeasts present b/c it wasn't at a high enough temp. to prevent their growth.

I totally understand re: organic dairy, but you will use only a small amount of Dannon. And I use Yogourmet powder and it's never failed me yet, I like it. Generally I also stay away from powdered things too (damaged proteins and fats, not healthy) but it is mostly dried bacteria, only a teaspoon full per packet.

I did all that for thrush too... only a day of hell on Diflucan though, OMG, I was sooooo sick to my stomach. It's very hard on your liver too. I don't know if it kills off good bacteria too. But I remember the pain, it was awful.

And nothing worked as good as diet changes. Be careful with GSE b/c I know that kills off your good bacteria as well as the bad. Unless you are using a lot of probiotics to replace them, and are still eating sugar and other hard to digest carbs, I think it could lead to making the problem worse.

How much coconut oil are you taking? 3 1/2 tablespoons/day or more are recommended. Or 10 oz of full fat coconut milk (make a smoothie).

If the yogurt is too much of a headache, you could try probiotic capsules (a lot) for now, until you perfect your yogurt making system and eating plan.
post #159 of 313
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sledg
Hi all. I am completely new to this thread, and very interested in learning about healing the gut. I think my family really needs a nutrition overhaul, even though none of us has obvious food allergies. I do think food has an enormous effect on behavior, mood and health. I have to say that this thread is completely overwhelming! It's going to take me forever to read through it (and all the other Healing the Gut threads). So for now I'll just be : and probably be back with questions.
It's great to see you here!!

I know re: the size of these threads are ridiculous...

In a nutshell, I think some of the best things you can do for health are:

1. Make homemade yogurt and stock, and eat both frequently.

2. Get everyone in family on cod liver oil. http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...dliveroil.html

3. Get some raw milk if you can.

4. Stop using refined sugar and use natural sugars with the minerals intact: maple syrup, honey, Rapadura, molasses, date sugar. (White sugar leeches minerals from your body and suppresses immune system...so not only does it not provide nutrition, it takes away nutrition from the good things you do eat!)

5. Ditto white flour and processed cereals. Learn to prepare whole grains properly: http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/be_kind.html

6. Read the incredible site www.westonaprice.org and his book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" http://www.westonaprice.org/traditio...ry_wisdom.html

7. Read "Nourishing Traditions" by Sally Fallon.

Your family's immune systems will get enormous benefit... and the connection between health and nutrition will start to click. We do have great power over our health, and it's all in what we eat.

The raw milk co-op I belong to picks up in Weston. I pick up every other week. You make drives to the organic dairy in Western MA twice a year (actually have belonged six months and haven't been yet!) Local drives to Tewksbury every 6 weeks or so for the Weston group. We can also get free range eggs. And cheese, cream and butter, all grass fed. Pastured meats when we make a special order. Let me know if that interests you!

Even my condensed version is sooooo long!!
post #160 of 313
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pilgrim
Hey y'all!

I just wanted to post an intro and subscribe to this thread. We've been down that long and trecherous journey of food allergies. We're on a very strict elimination diet for the moment. I've been considering doing SCD for a long time now, but haven't gotten my hiney in gear to do it. Partly because I'm unsure that it will help, and partly because it means giving up even *more* foods!

But the other day, we went to a new chiropractor who uses muscle testing for food allergies. He's been doing it for 40 years and is very experienced. He did a muscle test on our DD, and looked me straight in the eye and told me he found NO food allergies!! I was astonished and amazed. I argued with him "oh no! This girl is DEFINITELY allergic!! I carry an epi-pen!" and on and on.

Now, the visit was a brief one simply because the appointment was actually for DH and I explained to the Dr. that we'd be bringing DD in later that week. He said "oh set her in your lap and let's go ahead and clear her for something." That's what started it all. We're going back in today for her "real" visit.

So here I am thinking "what if all this time it was REALLY TRULY only gut related and not food allergies (of the true sense) at all???" So now I'm just on the verge of beginning the SCD. We will be seeing a nutritional therapist next week, and I want to get her opinions before starting. And also, I wanted to get some advice as to the best way to get going. One thing I do know is that before beginning a new diet, I must come up with some meals and snacks and stock the pantry AHEAD of time. Boy have I messed that up in the past, and it's really disheartening to want to eat something and find that there's nothing to eat!

OK, enough blabbering. Oh, I haven't yet read the past thread. If I were to try to do that first, I'd never get my intro-post done!
Hey yourself and welcome!

(and Liane, you made me :LOL of course you can you goof!)

WOW, that story is *very* interesting. I'm especially glad you are here b/c I know so little about this side of healing and all, I'll be following your experiences with much interest.

Elaine Gottschall, author of the SCD, has some very interesting things to say about allergies, and she certainly had the scientific background to back them up. I didn't know about the SCD when I first posed my question, "Are Allergies Really Allergies?", the thread that started this tribe... but it seemed to answer everything that had been nagging at me since I started reading about leaky gut.

The best place to start is reading the BTVC book, or scouring the site. There is enough there to learn about the diet and start it.
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i..._the_diet2.htm
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i...ntro_diet2.htm

Great excerpt from the book about celiac disease, one of the worst food allergies you can have!
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i...ac_disease.htm

Also Pecanbread, which was created for kids with ASD, but has a lot of good info.
http://www.pecanbread.com/scdscience.html

And then so many SCD recipe sites in the links, can have you busy for days. But first you start with the Intro diet for 2-5 days. Then aftewards, start certain things like nut flour and nut butter slowly depending on how damaged the gut is.

At first it's recommended to cook all your veggies and fruits (ex. bananas). So plan to make big batches of applesauce or pearsauce in crockpot. I just made a big bag of frozen peaches, reduced the juices a bit til syrupy and we ate it for several days, yummy. Spaghetti squash is a godsend! All squashes really, you will find that you can use butternut squash 800 different ways. Thankfully it is fall and now we have acorn, delicata, etc. to choose from.

I like the Midas Gold pancakes/waffles recipe in the book and also it's posted on Pecanbread.com. The muffin recipe in the book, also can adapt that one for bread, unsweetened and sweetened banana bread.

If you do want to discuss with a nutritionist, I'd read the book and bring it with you for the research study references.

Personally I always thought nuts aggravated my IBS for a long long time. To the point where I was convinced I had an allergy. It wasn't the nuts, it was the grains and the sugars impeding my digestion so that sending down some whole nuts was impossible for them to break down!
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