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Originally Posted by Jessviola
is there anywhere to go for more support with the diet for vegetarians? i keep trying to get myself psyched up to do this but don't know how to make it work as a vegetarian. and i don't have the $$ to buy the book if it won't work for us
It looks like the SCD is much more vegetarian friendly than the diet I went on. Check out the shopping list on page 7 or so of the thread. It includes butter, lentils, and nut products. The diet I used did not allow butter, beans, nor certain nuts like peanuts and cashews.
post #202 of 313
pixie-n-hertwoboys -- You should probably start exactly where you know you need to. The coffee is killing your beneficial bacteria and is hard on your liver. Wean yourself off. I would cut down the fruits significantly. I cut them out entirely. Cut out the white flour and sugar. That's a good place to start. Read the thread more as you have time. By the way, you'll feel terrible as your diet gets strict -- it's called yeast die-off. You may have depression symptoms, fatigue, general grumpiness. It's part of the process. Try to be ready for it and don't let it scare you.
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yeast diet

I am convinced that I have yeast. My bloating is out of control! At least 5 people have asked me if I am pregnant in the last month! I'm fairly thin except for my stomach! This morning I started on a serious anti-yeast diet. There are some great files (I think) on yeast available if you join this group-files are available only to group members. You can always select "No Email" if you don't want to read the messages but just want to read the files
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/candidasupport/

Her philosophy is consistent with the Weston Price and NT -she references them.

She also says granola is one of the worst things you can eat! (which I had been eating every morning for breakfast)

Here's the best way to get the good bacteria for those who can't do dairy, according to Bee Wilder, owner of the group.

Cabbage Rejuvelac Recipe
Cabbage is a vegetable that is teeming with lactobacteria. No starter is needed for making rejuvelac.
Start one morning by blending together 1-3/4 cups distilled or purified water plus 3 cups of coarsely chopped, loosely packed fresh cabbage. Start the blender at low speed and then advance the blender to high speed and blend for 30 more seconds.
Pour into a jar, cover, and let stand at room temperature for 3 days.
After 3 days, strain off the liquid rejuvelac. The initial batch of cabbage rejuvelac takes 3 days to mature, but succeeding batches take 24 hours each.
Each morning after straining off the fresh rejuvelac, blend together 1-1/2 cups of distilled or purified water plus 3 cups of coarsely ground, loosely packed fresh cabbage, for 30 seconds at high speed.
Pour it into a jar and add 1/4 cup of the fresh rejuvelac just strained off, cover, shake, and let it stand at room temperature until the next morning.
Cabbage rejuvelac can also be made without using a blender. Just chop the cabbage very fine and use 2-1/2 cups replacing the 3 cups in the recipe above with the same amount of water.
Good quality rejuvelac tastes similar to a cross between carbonated water and the whey obtained when making yogurt. Bad quality rejuvelac has a much more putrid odour and taste and should not be consumed. Avoid using tap water because chlorine will interfere with the production of the bacteria. Boiling tap water for 30 minutes uncovered will remove chlorine.
Refrigerate rejuvelac if it is to be kept overnight. Discard any rejuvelac on hand 24 hours after it is poured off the cabbage.
Taking Rejuvelac - Drink each day's rejuvelac during the course of the day by taking 1/2 cup three times per day, preferably with meals.
To implant a healthy population of lactobacteria in the intestinal tract take rejuvelac for 1 to 3 months. The value of rejuvelac should not be confused with that of freeze-dried acidophilus. Rejuvelac contains live lactobacteria but freeze dried lactobacteria die in a few weeks' time.
post #204 of 313
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Originally Posted by artisticat
MY book finally arrived!! Yea. Trying to get through it. Really hard to concentrate on all that science stuff with a babe trying to get your attention! (she likes to play with the cat toys and pretend I am the cat!! dangling this sticky thing with a feather on the end in my face. Pretty good hand coordination for a 10 mo old )

Well the thrush has receded again and I am back on the mend. Boy i really hope it stays away cause that pain makes me

Not to mention the cravings. I keep having conversations in my head about how I really shouldn't eat those things like the halloween candy my sister brought into the house. How am I supposed to have it stare me in the face all day and not eat it!
:LOL that is very good coordination!

Throw the candy away!!!!!!

Last year, I noticed a ton of "Help, I have thrush!" posts right after Halloween...!
post #205 of 313
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Originally Posted by Gale Force
36 1/2 here as the clock ticks away. I just take it all a day at a time. I also know that what I am doing for my body will only help my fertility, regardless of my biological age.
I know, you are totally right... it's just really, really hard. And now that I've found a way to heal my gut and also WAPF, my nutrition, and therefore my health, will be way better than when I was eating my vegetarian diet: low fat, low dairy, eggs and fish 1-2x a week, dessert and soy everyday, whole grains, pulses and vegetable oil!! That makes me cringe now.
post #206 of 313
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Originally Posted by Gale Force
Jane,

I read your story and I noticed that somewhere on this long thread, you talk about how this is all your fault. Do you mean with the actions that led you down the gut path? Antibiotics and such? I'm just asking because I may have missed something. Metals are the issue, but you're not high in all of them. Do you know where he was exposed to the 3As or do you think it's more an issue of his body not being able to process toxins well and he's happened to hold those in?

Amanda
It's just me being me. Rationally I can understand that it's not possible to know everything and do everything...but I should have, yes, refused the antibx several times and:

1. Not let my dentist talk me into a ton of mercury fillings and a root canal in 90's.

2. When my root canal failed during my 1st trimester, I should have researched it more instead of just having it pulled by a regular dentist... because mercury can still be in posts of crowns (found this out only recently.) I asked so many questions of my dentist, periodontist and OB at the time...who all said it was fine, they were more concerned about which anethestic to use. But as we all know, conventional dr's don't know sh*t. My poor baby was probably exposed then at the most vulnerable point in his life. I'll never know for sure. .

3. Researched IBS causes and a vegetarian/lowfat diet better.

4. Ate less sugar!!

I've so changed in my view and trust of the medical establishment since his birth and that's a very good thing... but I feel like I came much too late to this realization.

As far as DS goes, from what I have read, mercury poisoning causes the detox pathways of the body to shut down and not work properly. Ditto the gut by killing off the good bacteria. Which makes detox even harder when you don't have fully functioning digestion. This causes the body to hold on to other metals as well b/c they are less able to get rid of them.

The 3 A's are weird to me, b/c since his conception, I've never cooked in aluminum pans. I've gone so far to line all frozen food with wax paper, then used aluminum foil.

DS has an organic wool/cotton mattress, the regular mattresses are known sources of arsenic and antimony. He co-slept with us for first 5-6 months on regular one, though. All his pj's etc. are NOT flame retardant, I made a special point of that. We used cloth or the natural disposible diapers. Our deck possibly has arsenic, but it's 10 years old, and he doesn't play all much on it. I'm freaking fanatical about washing his hands before snacks or meals, always have been. He's never ever had tap water, even to cook his food. All our furniture is Scotchgarded maybe that has arsenic and antimony.

I shudder to think how he would have been had I not been so anal about all these things.

So I think he may have had normal exposure to these metals but is just holding onto it. His minerals are disordered according to Cutler's counting rules, which means mercury poisoning, apparently no other metals do that.

It's very much a mystery why I'm not showing high metals and disordered minerals since by my symptoms it so obviously effected me. However, by that point I had gotten a lot better, so maybe I was detoxing naturally as my gut improved while bf'ing too. I'll really never know.

Which is another horrible thing to think badly about....bf'ing that is.
post #207 of 313
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Originally Posted by tofumama
I might be cinfusing things...but what if you are vegetarian? You don't HAVE to eat meat to heal your gut, do you?
Also, does anyone have any really good bread recipies that are wheat free? Maybe using rice and/or soy flour? My ds's dr wants him wheat free, and I think the rest of the kids will end up wheat free as well...( they are classic 'Is This Your Child' cases, :LOL )
The official SCD opinion on vegetarianism is that it is fine to do the diet without eating meat but to get complete protein one should eat at least one egg per day and some dairy.

Right now I'm making bread from almond flour. It's quite dense and not at all soft but tastes good. The muffins from the same recipe are great. Let me know if you are interested and I'll PM you.

This recipe at Pecanbread (below link under 'Pancakes') for Midas Gold pancakes/waffles is terrific (I add 1 T. of melted coconut oil or butter to it as well, makes them more fluffy). http://www.pecanbread.com/recipes.html

The Specific Carbohydrate Diet says that it's not just wheat, but other grains that cannot be fully digested that ferment and feed the bad bacteria in the intestines and never allow the good bacteria to regain their proper prominence. This results in food allergies b/c the gut villi wear down and produce less enzymes, resulting in more food not being digested, which means more food for the bad bacteria to grow... which is why it's called the "Vicious Cycle".

Quote from BTVC:
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Dr. J. O. Hunter in 1991 described this dilemma of treating patients with gastrointestinal symptoms as food allergies or sensitivities. He stated that patients who exhibit sensitivities do not follow classical Type I allergic reaction. If these intolerances are not allergies, then they may be a disorder of bacterial fermentation in the colon and the disorders might be more appropriately named “enterometabolic (intestinal) disorders.”
http://www.pecanbread.com/scdscience.html

I think "Is This Your Child" is only halfway there as far as what is really going on with poor digestion and allergies.
post #208 of 313
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Originally Posted by jcw
Hi, don't mind me, I am just subscribing to this fantastic thread. I just got through the 1st 5 pages but I have to go to bed now!
:LOL

C'mon back and introduce yourself when you've recovered
post #209 of 313
Oh, my list of regrets is very long indeed. If only... if only...

I am really glad I found the information I did when I did. Too bad it wasn't earlier. It would have saved us all a lot of pain. But the pain could have been much, much worse. I'm working on writing my PPD story and I just shake my head wondering what our future would have been without this information.
post #210 of 313
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Originally Posted by Jessviola
is there anywhere to go for more support with the diet for vegetarians? i keep trying to get myself psyched up to do this but don't know how to make it work as a vegetarian. and i don't have the $$ to buy the book if it won't work for us
Maybe you could check the Healing Crow Yahoo list?
This is the website:
http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmain/scd/scd.html

You can't do eggs or dairy right is that the issue?
post #211 of 313
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Originally Posted by pixie-n-hertwoboys
Hi. I don't have time to read all the threads.... so I hope its not redundent.

I need HELP! its me. me who has issues. I'm sure my kids do too but right now I am miserable. I have 'patches' of rashes in various places and is what I'm sure is caused by yeast. My stomach hurts and feels like pressure which makes it hard to breathe and my throat feels closed.

I've read some just online to figure out that its most likely leaky gut and yeast.... help me more? any book suggestions. diets to follow?

I know I have to cut out dairy - besides yogurt which we go through a lot of. I'm not a big milk person but it is there in small amounts. need to cut out coffee I'm sure We don't eat refined sugars (regularly) and I make our own breads w/ whole wheat flours. I do eat a lot of fruit so suppose that needs to be cut out for a while right? What about honey?

Its gotten worse over the last week or so as well as my stress levels. So bad I have a hard time breathing all the time and getting to sleep. I don't have money to go to a natraopath unfortunately. Not that I could find one around here anyway :

sorry about the questions. I need pointed in the right dirrection
I had ALL your symptoms, the insomnia, anxiety, bloating, everything.

The Specific Carbohydrate Diet totally rocks and includes honey and fruit because they are simple carbs, monosaccharides, that are easy to digest, but eliminates grains, potatoes and corn, the disaccharides, that are hard for injured guts to break down (so they feed the bad gut bugs).

Here's some reading to explain it better:
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i.../beginners.htm
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i..._the_diet2.htm
The SCD Intro Diet:
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i...ntro_diet2.htm

Read that link I just posted above for Healing Crow too, it describes the SCD pretty well in total.

After the Intro, you progress to cooked fruits and veggies b/c they are easier to digest and introduce things slowly. Nut butter and finely ground nut flour before whole nuts for example.

You don't necessarily have to cut out dairy to get your gut flora back in shape. The lactose could just be the issue (sugar that if not fully digested feeds bad bacteria in intestines.) Homemade yogurt is going to be the key to recovery... getting a LOT of good bacteria back into your gut to heal it. Of course if someone is seriously allergic to dairy protein, you can do nut or coconut yogurt. But an "allergy" is not necessarily present if your digestion is impaired.

Whole wheat is very hard to digest unless soaked, it contains phytates which impair digestive enzymes.
post #212 of 313
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Originally Posted by JaneS
Maybe you could check the Healing Crow Yahoo list?
This is the website:
http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmain/scd/scd.html

You can't do eggs or dairy right is that the issue?
yep. i'll check out the list.
post #213 of 313
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Originally Posted by sarahariz
I am convinced that I have yeast. My bloating is out of control! At least 5 people have asked me if I am pregnant in the last month! I'm fairly thin except for my stomach! This morning I started on a serious anti-yeast diet.
It's not necessarily just yeast, bad bacteria as well cause these symptoms. But generally the treatment is the same diet wise... if you are going the supplements route some (GSE) are better for yeast but not bacteria, and some (Oil of Oregano) good for both.

The bloating is gas caused by the fermentation of undigested food and the toxins and carbon dioxide gas released by the bad gut bugs.

Enzymes and hydrochloric acid supplements will help this too, and allow your gut to heal. And are perfectly safe while bf'ing.
post #214 of 313
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Originally Posted by Gale Force
Oh, my list of regrets is very long indeed. If only... if only...

I am really glad I found the information I did when I did. Too bad it wasn't earlier. It would have saved us all a lot of pain. But the pain could have been much, much worse. I'm working on writing my PPD story and I just shake my head wondering what our future would have been without this information.
Your story to post at MDC or elsewhere? Let me know when you write it.

And there's the rub too... if I had not gone thru the pain, I never would have changed as much as I did either.

Sometimes you need a smack on the head to get the motivation to take charge of things.
post #215 of 313
My life has changed so radically and it is changed forever. I have to be a bit grateful for that. But it doesn't mean it's not hard.
I'm writing a book about my PPD.
post #216 of 313
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Originally Posted by JaneS


I used to like Culturelle and Nature's Way Reuteri.

But really the best, most economical source is homemade yogurt or kefir. One teaspoon of 24 hr. yogurt contains 5x the amount of probiotics as a capsule.
http://www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/co...onspiracy.html

How did you determine a dairy allergy? If you cook the yogurt for 24 hrs all the lactose is gone. Also, the proteins are predigested. But milk and regular yogurt contains lactose which feeds the yeast and can cause reactions.

Corn, wheat and rice are causing problems for you b/c it's the disaccharide molecules are not being fully broken down and are feeding the yeast in the gut:
http://www.pecanbread.com/scdscience.html
Thanks! I will check out pecanbread! The digestion of grains is very interesting. Vega and blood allergy testing have confirmed the milk allergy. So even if its yogurt, even goat or sheep, it causes problems

For the last 4 days I've been using Lorna Vanderhaeghe's EstoSense. Its for the liver, and oh my gosh, my eczema and puffy, itchy eyes are clearing up. And I've had this problem for a year!!!!!!!!!! You may want to check it out. www.hormonehelp.com
post #217 of 313
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Originally Posted by JaneS
Thank you for saying it so personally... I feel a lot of angst not only to heal DS but also myself. I often mourn the fact that I'm not pg again. And then, like you said, think it would be foolish to even try again. It's horrible to be so aware sometimes.

Plus I'm old, 39
I'm 39, too, and will be turning 40, and had IF/PCOS and took fertility drugs to conceive ds prior to all this, so I know what you mean.
post #218 of 313
Jessica, what is a vega test, and what kind of blood allergy testing was it?
post #219 of 313
ok mamas, i need some major help here.

ds is 2.5. he is allergic to almost everything to some degree or another. he also is a picky eater on top of it, so won't eat meat or vegetables. that leaves nuts (rarely will eat them) as the only "true" protein source that he's not allergic to to some degree.

he has some major imbalances in his gut. he's had stool samples done. the allergist can't figure out the source, and nothing got better after being on probiotics, flax oil, lowered intake of allergens, etc. he might want to do antibiotics to help.

i just read/skimmed "is this your child" by rapp and feel like ds has a lot of the allergic symptoms still, but his reactions don't happen like she described. he doesn't have reactions 45 minutes after eating a food, for example. instead, his main source of reaction is taking forever to fall asleep. he is restless, needs to press his legs against his bedrail, needs us often to put pressure on his legs to help him relax, etc. i think we are just coming to realize how much this is related to allergy/gut issues, as he accidentally had soy and oats (two big allergens) the other day and it took him over two hours to fall asleep. interestingly, this only happens at night, and rarely for his nap. could allergens build up and make this worse at night?

so, rapp says to do all kinds of elimination stuff. i'm really worried about this, as it's so hard to find food he can/will eat. when we first found out about the allergies, we tried to have him off many of the things he's allergic to. he lost so much weight, hated eating, meals were a battle, etc. we then put him on goat milk, spelt, and sprouted grain breads, which he seemed to tolerate okay, but i'm beginning to think these are still a problem. the red rings under his eyes are worse and the sleep is just getting worse and worse.

problem is, so many of the alternatives have things he's allergic to, such as corn, rice, etc.

and taking the "just put it in front of him, he'll eat if he's hungry" approach definitely doesn't work.

any ideas here? anyone done the treatments described in is this your child? what foods do you recommend we take out/add in? other approaches to heal the gut? anything?

thanks in advance!
megin, mommy to quinn -- the super allergy boy!
post #220 of 313
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Originally Posted by Gale Force
I'm writing a book about my PPD.
That's fantastic!!!

Hey... maybe you can get Tom Cruise to promote it?

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