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post #221 of 313
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Originally Posted by mimi!
Thanks! I will check out pecanbread! The digestion of grains is very interesting. Vega and blood allergy testing have confirmed the milk allergy. So even if its yogurt, even goat or sheep, it causes problems

For the last 4 days I've been using Lorna Vanderhaeghe's EstoSense. Its for the liver, and oh my gosh, my eczema and puffy, itchy eyes are clearing up. And I've had this problem for a year!!!!!!!!!! You may want to check it out. www.hormonehelp.com
Oy re: milk allergy.
Pecanbread has yogurt recipes made from nuts and links to dairy free probiotic supplements. It's about doing the SCD dairy free b/c most ASD kids can't handle the dairy protein peptides.

That is a very interesting formula for EstoSense. I've never heard of her, I'll have to read more...
post #222 of 313
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Hi Megin!



What were the stool test results? Quinn's behavior sounds almost exactly like my DS with respect to sleep! The brain and the central nervous system are intimately connected to the gut. There are studies linking celiac disease and schizophrenia... because the undigested wheat ferments and creates toxins that behave like hallucinogens or alcohol in the body. It could also be that the restricted diet plus damaged digestion also leads to Quinn's not absorbing enough nutrition... which can have multiple effects on the body.

My guy's stool tests showed high amounts of pathogenic bacteria, therefore through lots of reading on my own I've concluded that his digestive issues are not "allergies" but impaired digestion. And that is why we are on the SCD to correct this plus digestive enzymes.

Soy and oats contain high amounts of phytates which are especially hard to digest for normal people, nevermind someone with a damaged gut.

Start reading and come back with questions

I've posted some links above explaining the SCD and the theory behind the cause of damaged guts aka leaky gut or intestinal dysbiosis. This leads to food allergies b/c food is not being broken down properly. The whole food molecules are absorbed by the bloodstream and create autoimmune reactions b/c they are not supposed to be there.
post #223 of 313
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Originally Posted by Pookietooth
I'm 39, too, and will be turning 40, and had IF/PCOS and took fertility drugs to conceive ds prior to all this, so I know what you mean.
post #224 of 313
wow, go away for a day and everything gets busy.... not sure where to start...

jane- you asked about lil' man's poops- they are good about 75% of the time, nice yellow color, good smell, although he has some mucus a lot. still has some green poops though. Today we were outside and evidently he ate some leafs not too much later he pooped them out, whole of course, and it was green. His face has been red as of late. I am trying to stop the cheese, going to try and just do the yogurt.

re; babies- yes, I guess perhaps it is for the best. Honestly although I do want another baby I am enjoying having my body, and secretly hoping that my skin will finish shrinking back up before I get prego again, doubling in size left me with baggy belly skin-- vain I know....

I am feeling pretty good although I haven't been sleeping well at all. Lil' man wants to nurse all night long it seems, not fussy just nursing all the time. I am beginning to wonder if I can handle this trying to ebf a 15 mo old, the ND wanted to try and do this for 1-3 mo, don't know if I have the patience. I knwo that is sad, but I am spending probably as much time nursing him now as when he was a newborn....

oh, and Luke is very interested in food. I am having to keep it from him and if he happens to find a crumb I about lose a finger trying to get it out of his mouth. I guess that is a good sign? However, when he does happen to get something I find it undigested in his diaper, ugh...

(edited; forget to answer a question)
post #225 of 313
Megin, Welcome! Like you my lil' guy had a horrible time with going to sleep before too. We don't have as big as issues as some people here, but definite problems. I didn't realize about the brain and gut being connected I learn something new from you Jane everytime I get on... that explains his issues with oats, I never understood that before as they are not supposed to be allerginic.
post #226 of 313
Jane and Amanda-
I wanted to tell you that you guys are my heroes when it comes to this stuff! You guys are really on the ball! I feel like such an idiot half the time. I told a friend the other day, I know enough just to be dangerous. We all do the best we can with what we have. We cannot change the past, just try and learn from it. I am glad that lil' man has taken me down this path. I have been trying to eat healthier for a while now, but often lacked motivation. So, now I am forced to eat better cannot have sugar, cannot rely on carbs as a quick fix. I thought I was doing pretty good but realized that I was using way too much pasta and bread. I am discovering cooking healthy in a whole new way! I told dh today that perhaps the next pregnancy I won't eat icecream every day!!
post #227 of 313
well, if we are confessing.....

I had some Arby's salad with breaded chicken and bacon, so who knows what the heck was in it and I savored every bite and practically licked the bowl.... no noticeable reaction that I remember... I did at least forgo the buttermilk dressing and tortilla strips....

Aristicat- Throw the candy away in the bathroom trash, so there is no chance you will want it!

You guys are cracking me up about cravings! I have been so bad before I have gotten stuff I have thrown away back out of the trash if it was packaged, or not on anything bad. How sick is that? that's probably going to get me kicked out...
post #228 of 313
pixie- I think Jane has gave some good info! You are at the right spot for leaky gut issues! This is the journey we are all going through in some degree or another! I think I would cut out all the grains to start with and sugar, that to me was the biggest step!
post #229 of 313
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Originally Posted by JaneS
Thanks, Jane. Sigh.
post #230 of 313
I've been off sugar and wheat a week, and two days ago kicked it up a notch and started using 3 drops GSE in water in the A.M. and eating a couple of raw garlic cloves in an effort to kill the yeast. I'm doing an anti-yeast diet too. I'm really having the die off reactions! And in one day my stomach looked smaller, I'm not kidding. I'm not nearly as bloated, so I think that is an indication that something is working!

I got the puffy eyes, little shiners under my eyes (barely noticable but still there), headache, runny nose, etc. Poor dd! You could really see the purple under her eyes! I guess the die off by products she's getting via the bm.

I'm using the 24 hr yogurt to replenish the good bacteria, and when that runs out, I've got some cabbage rejuvalac going that I will try.

Yeah, my 15 mo old nurses a lot too, especially at night at a certain period, it seems about 3-4 am. She'll suck for a bit, roll over, and cry out to have more. This usually happens about 3 or more times in a row, and by then I'm awake. So I get up and work on the computer. She nurses for naps, too. It is hard.
post #231 of 313
Whew! Finally made it through this month's thread! Not promising to read the others yet until I do all the links......

: So I started down this path last year when I got NT and then in January when I joined the sugar-free mamas thread ( think I recognise some of you here now....) and I was doing pretty well until recently. But after I gave up sugar I started to notice the effects other foods were having on me. After I eat a lot of white pasta I feel completely drained. Similar after I eat whole-wheat bread.

We've been doing raw milk for nearly a year now but when I eat a lot I feel bloated. Even a lot of yoghurt leaves me feeling bloated. And other foods and other symptoms.....

So here I am because I'm convinced of the benefits. And having read the thread, I have loads of questions. But first I wanted to say to all of you that are having a hard time conceiving or are waiting to TTC that you really are doing the right thing! (I know you know that really...) My oldest is nearly 7 and my youngest just turned 2 and so they missed out on all the benefits of having me eat right either in pregnancy or ebf (I'm still feeding my youngest but nowhere near exclusive!). I regret that as much as you can regret these things and still get on with life. Now I have to change their diets from bad habits and it's much more difficult for the older two who understand what's going on but even if they hear the reasons don't necessarily like cutting down candy, sugar, pasta, pizza, etc. !!!

Do those of you with thrush problems know that you can use yoghurt externally? If it's on nipples you just smear it on and then put a breastpad or tissue inside your bra. I've used it for vaginal yeast issues and it works great :

What is it especially about homemade yoghurt that makes it so good? Our local hfs makes its own yoghurt from raw milk and it's lovely. I'm wondering if I can get away with that, thought the homemade stuff sounds lovely and not too complicated ....

I don't know about the science behind the EFL anti-dairy theory, but having read Weston Price's Nutrition and Physical Degeneration and tried things out myself, I think it's purely personal, or perhaps down to having a healthy gut. I'm living in Switzerland so it was easy to try out the Swiss diet, with the sourdough rye bread, raw cheese, milk, cream, etc. But although the cheese was fine for me, the bread just disagreed and so did large amounts of milk..... I don't know whether it's because I'm Scottish, from a very much island (fish & oats) background or whether it's because I need to clear my gut. TBH I suspect it's mostly the gut because the oats (even soaked) didn't work out so well either.....

Pilgrim, I'm with you on the planning it out and making sure you have stuff in to eat! I've tried giving things up without being real organised about it and then I just end up with bad cravings eating whatever I have around which fortunately doesn't usually mean sugar, but usually doesn mean bread.....

We don't eat badly in that we don't eat a lot of packaged food and not that much sugar any more, but we really rely on bread, pasta and potatoes.

Still, I'm looking forward to trying out the SCD once I've done a little more reading.....
post #232 of 313
ok, i think i'm going to try the intro diet but want to make some yogurt first. i don't really think i could do it in the oven because we use the oven every day and can't tie it up with the yogurt for so long.

can anyone recommend a yogurt maker that would work for it?

also, i'm going to make some chicken broth for ds (chicken came back as non-reactive but i don't eat it because i'm vegetarian) and was wondering what i should be looking for when buying chicken? do i need to worry about what the chicken has been fed? how can i know? i'm thinking i'll go to wild oats (or the new whole foods that opens wednesday!!!!!) and getting some organic chicken since the normal supermarkets close to us don't have any. does that sound good? do i have to worry about dairy or anything being injected? organic wouldn't have antibiotics right?

sorry to have so many questions, but i'm clueless when it comes to meat! and dh just goes for whatever's cheapest

thanks!!!
post #233 of 313
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My general procedure follows. I usually make in a stainless steel stockpot but a crockpot can also be used. It is not expensive. A pack of 4 chicken legs at Whole Foods (aka Whole Paycheck) is $3.25. I made incredible lamb stock last week from $5.50 in grassfed lamb shanks.

HOW TO MAKE:

If you are using beef bones, NT recommends roasting in oven first until browned.
Soak bones or chicken legs and vegetables desired (onions, carrots) with 2T vinegar per qt. of water for one hour before heating (chelates more minerals out).
Bring to low boil.
Skim froth.
Keep at barely a simmer for 6-24 hours.
Strain and refrigerate.
Remove fat.

After straining, you can reduce it for an hour or so at a lively boil to make a more concentrated stock. Then freeze in ice cube trays. Pop out and transfer to a freezer container. The concentrated stock or what the French term demi-glace, is really delicious. I usually do this and then serve DS shredded chicken, lamb or beef in their respective concentrated stock, he won't eat soup.
jane,
how well will this work without the vinegar? would it be ok if i just soaked them in water?
post #234 of 313
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Originally Posted by Jessviola
jane,
how well will this work without the vinegar? would it be ok if i just soaked them in water?
It will work just fine, however it will contain less minerals.
post #235 of 313
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Originally Posted by Jessviola
ok, i think i'm going to try the intro diet but want to make some yogurt first. i don't really think i could do it in the oven because we use the oven every day and can't tie it up with the yogurt for so long.

can anyone recommend a yogurt maker that would work for it?

also, i'm going to make some chicken broth for ds (chicken came back as non-reactive but i don't eat it because i'm vegetarian) and was wondering what i should be looking for when buying chicken? do i need to worry about what the chicken has been fed? how can i know? i'm thinking i'll go to wild oats (or the new whole foods that opens wednesday!!!!!) and getting some organic chicken since the normal supermarkets close to us don't have any. does that sound good? do i have to worry about dairy or anything being injected? organic wouldn't have antibiotics right?

sorry to have so many questions, but i'm clueless when it comes to meat! and dh just goes for whatever's cheapest

thanks!!!
Yes, Whole Foods chicken is naturally raised (no antibiotics or hormones). As far as I know they don't have grass fed chicken widely available so this is probably the best you can find unless you start really looking around for local sources or internet. (It's sad I think).

Grass fed dairy and meat are the most nutritious as they contain Omega 3 fatty acids as well as CLA, another important fatty acid. The lamb I buy at my WF is grass fed, you can ask at meat counter if you are interested.

I have the Eurocuisine yogurt maker and it's fine, it doesn't shut off so leaving it on for 24 hrs is no problem. I got it at www.WilliamsSonoma.com but I know it's available elsewhere too. I had to take the temperature and crack the top a bit to keep it between 100-110, it ran hotter than that in summer, but winter I don't have to..

Good luck!!!
post #236 of 313
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Originally Posted by crunchy_mama
I am feeling pretty good although I haven't been sleeping well at all. Lil' man wants to nurse all night long it seems, not fussy just nursing all the time. I am beginning to wonder if I can handle this trying to ebf a 15 mo old, the ND wanted to try and do this for 1-3 mo, don't know if I have the patience. I knwo that is sad, but I am spending probably as much time nursing him now as when he was a newborn....

oh, and Luke is very interested in food. I am having to keep it from him and if he happens to find a crumb I about lose a finger trying to get it out of his mouth. I guess that is a good sign? However, when he does happen to get something I find it undigested in his diaper, ugh...
Yikes, that's gotta be hard Mama! How long have you been ebf him now?

What kind of stuff comes out undigested?

When he's ready for food I would try well steamed and pureed veggies and fruits, no seeds, no peels. Squash, carrots, green beans. Pearsauce, Applesauce.

Bananas can be raw if they are well covered with black spots (means all the sugars have been converted to monosaccharides and are easy to digest).

Egg yolks mashed.

Meat pureed with bone broth...maybe make a soup with veggies and puree it.
post #237 of 313
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Originally Posted by crunchy_mama
Jane and Amanda-
I wanted to tell you that you guys are my heroes when it comes to this stuff! You guys are really on the ball! I feel like such an idiot half the time. I told a friend the other day, I know enough just to be dangerous. We all do the best we can with what we have. We cannot change the past, just try and learn from it. I am glad that lil' man has taken me down this path. I have been trying to eat healthier for a while now, but often lacked motivation. So, now I am forced to eat better cannot have sugar, cannot rely on carbs as a quick fix. I thought I was doing pretty good but realized that I was using way too much pasta and bread. I am discovering cooking healthy in a whole new way! I told dh today that perhaps the next pregnancy I won't eat icecream every day!!
Awwww....thanks

Believe me, I didn't start out this way, it's now been almost 2 years since I started this journey! So you are not an idiot, I'm just that much ahead of you. It feels good to be able to try to help others, have a community to keep me honest and also further my own knowledge.

24 hr. yogurt, egg yolks, honey and vanilla makes a terrific, and SCD legal, ice cream...
post #238 of 313
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Originally Posted by crunchy_mama
You guys are cracking me up about cravings! I have been so bad before I have gotten stuff I have thrown away back out of the trash if it was packaged, or not on anything bad. How sick is that? that's probably going to get me kicked out...


Actually I think that makes you even more legitimate ... you need to be here!!
post #239 of 313
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Originally Posted by sarahariz
I've been off sugar and wheat a week, and two days ago kicked it up a notch and started using 3 drops GSE in water in the A.M. and eating a couple of raw garlic cloves in an effort to kill the yeast. I'm doing an anti-yeast diet too. I'm really having the die off reactions! And in one day my stomach looked smaller, I'm not kidding. I'm not nearly as bloated, so I think that is an indication that something is working!

I got the puffy eyes, little shiners under my eyes (barely noticable but still there), headache, runny nose, etc. Poor dd! You could really see the purple under her eyes! I guess the die off by products she's getting via the bm.

I'm using the 24 hr yogurt to replenish the good bacteria, and when that runs out, I've got some cabbage rejuvalac going that I will try.

Yeah, my 15 mo old nurses a lot too, especially at night at a certain period, it seems about 3-4 am. She'll suck for a bit, roll over, and cry out to have more. This usually happens about 3 or more times in a row, and by then I'm awake. So I get up and work on the computer. She nurses for naps, too. It is hard.
UGH... hang in there.

Don't think you will be doing yourself a disservice by backing off somewhat on the killers (and keeping the probiotics up). From what I understand, your immune system and natural detox pathways need to be working properly. It doesn't do any good to completely overload them.
post #240 of 313
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Originally Posted by arcenciel
What is it especially about homemade yoghurt that makes it so good? Our local hfs makes its own yoghurt from raw milk and it's lovely. I'm wondering if I can get away with that, thought the homemade stuff sounds lovely and not too complicated ....

I don't know about the science behind the EFL anti-dairy theory, but having read Weston Price's Nutrition and Physical Degeneration and tried things out myself, I think it's purely personal, or perhaps down to having a healthy gut. I'm living in Switzerland so it was easy to try out the Swiss diet, with the sourdough rye bread, raw cheese, milk, cream, etc. But although the cheese was fine for me, the bread just disagreed and so did large amounts of milk..... I don't know whether it's because I'm Scottish, from a very much island (fish & oats) background or whether it's because I need to clear my gut. TBH I suspect it's mostly the gut because the oats (even soaked) didn't work out so well either.....

We don't eat badly in that we don't eat a lot of packaged food and not that much sugar any more, but we really rely on bread, pasta and potatoes.

Still, I'm looking forward to trying out the SCD once I've done a little more reading.....
Hey arcenciel!!

It's lovely to see you here

Maybe on the hfs yogurt... but the reason why were are doing the SCD 24 hr. yogurt is that all the lactose is gone (so no more milk sugar to feed the gut bugs). Plus it's super powerful, much higher probiotic content than regular yogurt... 3 billion per 1ML. Meaning 15 billion per teaspoon! Most capsules contain 3 billion or less, so it's great stuff.

I think a healthy gut is the key too based on my own experiences as well.

The bread, pasta and potatoes can be just as bad if they are not being fully digested, the bad gut bugs like them just as much as sugar.
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