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post #41 of 313
oh, Jane, yes, the in-laws do spank my nephew, it is very sad, they have also force fed him food, because he refuses to eat
That is interesting about Vit D, I had never heard that. We should be doing ok, especially with upping the dosage of CLO

elisabeth- that is great you are converting people! we haven't told dh's family about any of this, they would sure enough think we are crazy! I am hoping to get dh on board though and help clear up his yeast issues. His family could sure use a total diet makeover though! His mom has fibromyalgia, acid reflux, etc; very poor shape, his sister also has terrible digestive issues, of course she was on bc pills for 10+ years, it is very, very sad and my niece will undoubtedly have the same issues; ff from day one, same age as Luke and being fed cheetos and dr. pepper.....


oh, and I forgot the nd seemed to think it was more of the leaky gut than allergies really, which I guess is my thoughts as well. She wanted me to concentrate on cutting out my major cravings; dairy and chocolate; the lc had thought that eggs and chicken were issues as well; I hadn't really suspected those things, the ND wasn't concerned about those, so I believe I might add those back in my diet, but will be leaving the oats out for now. I also think I will be cutting out beef because I am fairly well certain that it is was causing blood in his stool as after eliminating most everything else I suspected but that and then it occurs. She really wants me to make sure I am getting enough calories as I will be exclusively nursing him and trying to heal myself; of course he is already 99% bf. She did say that bm was the absolute best thing for him. The only thing that made me question her is when she asked if we were making sure to retract and clean lil' man's penis; I promptly told her no and that is very, very bad, I am thinking of bring some info to her on the care of an intact penis,,,, but I digress.....
post #42 of 313
loon and Linda, I feel sorry for both of your babes! I sure hope they get through their procdures as quicly and easily as possible.

Oh, and it is intersting to read abut the honey and hay fever; atlhough I don't know a source for raw honey, I will have to keep my ears open.
post #43 of 313

Enzymes

Hi -

I'm new to this forum today. I am currently trying to manage my daughter's eczema. She is 8 months old now and we have been battling for 6 months or so, her cheeks have been quite bad at times. I already have her on probiotics (Culturelle & Threelac) but am wondering if they are the right kinds... also, very interested in enzymes but not sure where to get them? Can anyone help me with specific product names? I also have her on Nordic Naturals Berry Keen cod liver oil. I am still nursing and plan to go to at least a year.

I am truly on board with the whole idea of "healing the gut" to lead to better, even great health for our babies!

Thank you, in advance!

Grace's Mom
post #44 of 313
Oooh, so exciting to see all the new mamas since I last checked in. I couldn't keep up with all the new names as I caught up on posts from the last week. Welcome to all of you and glad to have you in the tribe.

Jane - Thanks for starting the October thread :. You know things have gone south for us. Maybe you could get directlabs.com to at least order the urine neurotransmitter test for you if you're really curious. My ND is such a proponent of this testing that she might be willing to work with you over the phone if you couldn't order the test through directlabs.com. Let me know cuz I'd be glad to talk to her for you.

Elisabeth - for making the yoghurt. I knew you could do it ! It's incredible that you're sharing your good news with your friends. I need to make a trip up to MA to go camping and meet Jane/Luke along the way. I think I might make a detour in CT to place a face with a name too.

Sarah - Good to hear from you again .

We went upstate to a fair this weekend and I met the coolest man who is a beekeeper. His honey with garlic and red pepper flakes first attracted DH and I. We were eating it straight on crackers - oink oink. I then discovered that all his honey and pollen is completely raw. Pollen or cloudy honey is irritating to a damaged gut and therefor illegal according to BTVC site. Bummer. He ships and is located in PA. I found his prices to be quite reasonable. www.911honey.com
We just finished two weeks of vomiting hell. Yesterday was the worst as she literally brought up everything she ate during the day which was not very much at all. I had taken her off SCD two weeks ago to try glyconutrients. They resolved a good friends motility problem (I think Sierra has a major motility problem with her stomach which caused the dysbiosis) so I had to give it a try since SCD does not help with motility and the bugs will stay if the gut is not contracting to mix the food with HCL and enzymes. These were full of disaccharides so we went off the diet and ate according to NT. Well, two weeks of not eating and vomiting was not fun and the glyconutrients take at least 2 months to work. They feed the cells and just give your body the nutrients it needs to repair itself. Sierra could not have gone two months. We went back on the SCD today and cut out all her supplements except her MVI, CLO, and CA. She vomited 6 or 7 times yesterday. NO VOMITING today and she ate about 3 times what she did yesterday. We're going to add the supplements back in one at a time and space them 3 days apart. Colustrum will be the first to be added back in.
We found a doc in Long Island that specializes in the motility issue I think Sierra has. I had to call all over the country to find him and was actually referred to him by a doc in Ohio. It's crazy that he is the only one I could find in all NYC! I don't want to go to an MD, but if she has nerve damage to her stomach we must treat that. We'll continue with the chiro.
I'm perplexed by the fact that Sierra vomited so much yesterday and nothing today despite the fact that I'm giving her most of the same food. I know that she vomits undigested food that she ate 8 -10 hours previously, but has soft bm everyday. I don't understand how SCD could improve motility that quickly. Hmm. Any ideas. Pleasantly perplexed .

Peace,
post #45 of 313
ok, I have been reading the SCD site, this seems to go along fairly close to what the ND recommended, stay away from the carbs! I had always thought that as long as they were whole grains they were ok, but ND said no, and it seems that SCD site is saying that as well. I thought it would be good to have some nice grains such as amaranth for breakfast, but I guess that is out.

I am confused though, should I do the diet? Right now Luke is off of solids, breastmilk only. I don't really have the strong symptoms like he does, just think I could feel better and is likely some unrecognized issues. It says if you have diarrhea or bad gas to not eat certain foods, does that mean I can skip that step. Plus, we are not doing dairy, so I am confused by that as well. And one more question while I am asking, the digestive enzymes and such I am taking, will that help him? I am assuming it will be passing to him as well. I don't know if I am understanding this anymore or not. Today I really struggled in the kitchen trying to figure out what to cook, so I ate a whole lot of turkey, as I had cooked a turkey breast.
post #46 of 313
crunchymama, that is so terrible about your nephew, don't you just want to take him and hold him sometimes? I get so mad when I see others hitting their kids, I feel like, hey, I'll take your kid if you don't want him/her! Anyway, as to whether to go on the diet, yes, especially if your ds is still even partially bf, because everything you eat goes right into the bm, especially if you have a leaky gut (which most Americans have, IMHO).

to all for your stories and your help with all this. I finally got my copy of BTVC in the mail (I had gotten it used and chose the slow mail for shipping), and also read on Pecanbread what to introduce when, and realized that we may have to go back to the intro diet for a day or two because I'd been introducing too many things too soon, like peas and beans. Ugh!
post #47 of 313
Jane-the recipe for pecan pie was off an SCD site-can't remember which one but I will have to post the recipe for you. It was very simple. Just pecans, a bit of yogurt, honey, butter, eggs and vanilla. Then you bake it with no crust. It was delicious!
Moneca-I'd love to meet you and Sierra! Let me know when you're coming through. The yogurt was sooooo easy. I feel silly
Has anyone here read any of Joel Fuhrman's stuff? This is my issue. I came to this forum after completely changing my diet due to reading Eat to Live . I really believe in his theories. They are compatible to SCD, and we have adapted pretty well. I got his new book:Disease-Proof Your Child yesterday and I'm about halfway through it. I feel so conflicted. For those of you who don't know him, he is a family practitioner in NJ who has successfully reversed all kinds of auto-immune diseases through nutritional healing. He has also had great success with allergies, asthma and bowel conditions. The only major place his "diet" deviates from SCD is that he doesn't believe that humans were meant to consume dairy. And I'll tell you what, he makes a very strong, scientific case. I go back and forth between him and Jordan Rubin and I get so muddled. Just wondering if anyone has read his stuff and how they are integrating it into this diet. For now, I'm just doing minimal dairy (obviously only what's allowed) but I think I may have to really reconsider. I'm planning on speaking to him tomorrow afternoon, and then see where I stand.
Crunchy mama-yes. If you are nursing you should do the diet. I know at least for me I was passing allergies down to my kids because of my own leaky gut. Healing myself is imperative in healing the kidlets.
post #48 of 313
I LOOOVE E2L. I totally believe in his theories...however, I eat yogurt and kefir. We eat some 'real' cheese. Other than that we are vegetarians. I really think when it comes to things like this, you need to follow your instincts. I feel the benefits of the yogurt/kefir outweigh the 'risks' for my family and we aren't reacting to it so...I think you need to take what you need and leave what you don't (within reason, of course) Just my fwiw
post #49 of 313
Crunchymama - Yes, you have to do the diet if you're still breastfeeding Luke. I skipped the intro initially because Bear never had diarrhea and read this the same way as you did. The 2-5 days on the intro diet (2 days is enough for kiddos and make sure you get enough fat since you are bf) is for jumpstarting your body in killing off the bacteria and yeast.

Elisabeth - I do agree with the author regarding pasturized and homogonized dairy products. Does he discuss raw dairy and goat? I'm really starting to believe that anytime man alters food it should not be eaten. Bear and I only eat raw cultured dairy products. We know the value of raw and culturing makes it more easily digestible and increases nutritional value not to mention adding omega 3s. Both of us now love the raw goat 24 hour yoghurt plain without additives.

This is our second day back on SCD. All is still well. The past couple of weeks Bear had been taking 1 to 1 1/2 hours to fall asleep for her nap. She would just sit in her crib and play. It took her an hour on Tuesday and then yesterday was down to 30 min. Today she fell right to sleep. This is so intriguing. I will figure all of this out and I am sending the good sleeping fairies to Jane's house . Right now I'm just amazingly thankful that my Bear feels so much better .

Peace,
post #50 of 313
hi i'm new to the tribe

my son max has been battling eczema since around 3.5 months (he's 10 months today). we've tried all kinds of things (if you'd like more info, i've been keeping a record of our journey, click on the Jessica link, i'm just too tired to write it all out again right now ) and some have helped more than others, but ultimately, we know that we haven't found the key. i've been focusing my efforts of max, and healing him, but within the past few days, i've started treating myself with what we're giving him (DF bifidus and permeability factor) because i suspect that i have some leaky gut issues. then i ran into elisabeth at playgroup today and she told me about all the gut healing work they've been doing and told me about this tribe.

i'm pretty beat today, but still inspired to try to gather info and get serious about healing our guts. i want to eat again! i'm feeling overwhelmed (as i often do when following new leads ) but am going to try to go over the september thread and follow all the links to scour the sites, etc.
post #51 of 313
Hi

Trying to read some of the old threads and learn more..

Dd is 8.5 months, no solids yet (one or two tries), I did TED and found she reacted to dairy, soy, garbanzo beans, pork, citrus, all melons, all red berries, and peanuts (at least so far that's what we know, I'm still adding foods...)

I had abx during labor, never made it to fullblown thrush although I had some symptoms, she had none.

Reactions to foods I eat include huge amounts of ear wax, spitting up (she's on prevacid for reflux too), red diaper rash, ring around anus, screaming, congestion, inability to poo.

My mother and her mom have dairy/egg allergies, my FIL has a seafood allergy. I wasn't given any dairy until 14 months (ebf) so I don't think I had the exposure to have the allergy (mom didn't consume dairy while bf).

Dh and I have histories of chronic ear infections/tubes, although we both have no known food allergies.

The more I read, the more I learn, the more it all makes sense yet I can't explain it to someone and I can't fix it. SO I'm hoping you guys can help out!

At the moment dd and I are both taking probiotics (jarrow baby for her, another brand for me), I'm avoiding those foods she reacted to, and we're eaglerly waiting to start solids BUT the few times she's had some she either throws it all back up 1-2 hrs after eating or doesn't poo for a week, both of which I qualify as reactions. She's had apple, pear, cucumber, and avocado.

Teething, crawling, pulling up, generally frustrated, not sleeping well (either of us) nursing every 2 hrs at night and every hour during the day. The reflux seems mostly controlled with the meds and limiting my diet.

Help!
post #52 of 313
Subscribing

I was wondering what all you mamas cook with as far as pots and pans and crockpots. There was a thread here about some Rival Crockpots containing "low or safe" levels of lead in the ceramic glaze.

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...rival+crockpot

We still use ours, though, because I haven't been able to find anything else. My mom just got brand new stainless steel copper bottom pots because I was telling her about aluminum pans and how they are not good for your health. Are these good to cook with? I've discovered that I am really not missing the nonstick pans all that much anyway.

We're sort of struggling here and somehow having AF just screws everything up and I can't eat well. But we're trying.... I am so amazed at the willpower and strength all of you have to eat so well. Even though I know everything I eat goes straight to my baby I still find it hard every single meal of the day and every single day.

I read this thread every day for inspiration, you are all such good mamas!
Liane
post #53 of 313
are there any vegetarians trying the SCD diet? i was skimming the legal/illegal list and while i'd like to try it, between not eating meat and the foods max tested reactive to, there's not much left. most of the foods on our safe list are illegal.

here's our list of 'reactive' foods:
apple
avocado
bean, green
bean, yellow wax
broccoli
brussels sprouts
cabbage
cauliflower
celery
cherry
coconut
cranberry
eggplant
garlic
grape
grapefruit
lemon
lentil
lettuce
lime
oat
onion
orange
papaya
parsley
pea
peach
peanut
plum
radish
strawberry
tangerine
wheat
egg whites
cow's milk
barley
soy
post #54 of 313
Jessica and Lisa welcome to the tribe . Glad to have you .

Liane - We all struggle and I too find this thread encouraging .

Jessica - Too cool that you and Elisabeth are in the same play group. You have quite a list of reactive foods . I would suggest going back to the legal/illegal list on BTVC and writing down all the foods that you can have instead and deciding if you can make a go of this. That may be less discouraging than having the "no" list in front of you. You MAY also find that you and Max tolerate some of the forbidden foods as you progress on the diet and your guts start to heal. Elisabeth had also been struggling with this issue as Selkie also has quite a list of forbidden foods.

Lisa - My dd also vomits. I wanted to caution you about using prevacid. The docs put Bear on pepcid and then prevacid before doing a test to confirm reflux. Ended up that she didn't have reflux and the drugs just made her digestion worse. I stopped both on my own after two weeks. I later found out that decreasing the stomach ph can prolong digestion and gastric emptying because you need an acidic ph to digest your solid foods. Decreasing the stomach ph also creates a favorable environment for the bad bacteria as it is much harder for them to survive in stomach acid. I'm not saying not to use the prevacid, but to be careful because it could be helping with one thing at the cost of another.
Dd use to vomit 1-3 hours after eating so many things that I was convinced she was allergic to everything (dairy, soy, gluten, potato, eggs, avacado). I kept both of us on a rotation/elim diet for months with no progress. I was SO confused and frustrated. I started her on the SCD and found that she tolerated all (I didn't give her soy) the foods that I thought she was having reactions to. I still have not figured everything out, but she is much better. You can look at the September thread that has a link to her journey on the first post. I think that hers is the last one listed.

Nordic Naturals CLO lists 100% natural orange oil as an ingredient instead of "essence" of strawberry or peach as some of their other products do. Unless someone can tell me otherwise, I would consider this legal and will continue to give it to Bear.

Peace,
post #55 of 313
Well, I just received copies of Nourishing Traditions and Wild Fermentation.
I warned dh last night that our diet is about to radically change! :LOL
Any suggestions as I embark on this long read/journey?
post #56 of 313
Moneca, yes, I've had the same thoughts on the prevacid (we were on pepcid first too) and I really want to try weaning her from it. BUT she was screaming in such pain without any meds, not just throwing up, and it's helped. Bear is a year older than Lauren, at what age did you start/stop meds?

I've been deliberately holding off on solids because of her reactions and knowing that there is less acid... and after the few bites we've tried, I'm glad we're waiting. I'm able to ebf her until 1 year if need be.

What do you guys on SCD eat for junk food/snacks?
post #57 of 313
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gracemommy
Hi -

I'm new to this forum today. I am currently trying to manage my daughter's eczema. She is 8 months old now and we have been battling for 6 months or so, her cheeks have been quite bad at times. I already have her on probiotics (Culturelle & Threelac) but am wondering if they are the right kinds... also, very interested in enzymes but not sure where to get them? Can anyone help me with specific product names? I also have her on Nordic Naturals Berry Keen cod liver oil. I am still nursing and plan to go to at least a year.

I am truly on board with the whole idea of "healing the gut" to lead to better, even great health for our babies!

Thank you, in advance!

Grace's Mom
Grace's Mom!

As far as probiotics go, that's a hard question to answer. I do think Culturelle is very good and well studied... and actually Elaine Gottschall of the SCD said L. casei is okay. The Threelac one I know less about... does it include a beneficial yeast? I just hate the MLM part of Threelac, so all their information is not indepedent, makes me wary.

DS was on Kirkman's acidophilus but changed to this Source Naturals one
http://www.sourcenaturals.com/produc...410.html?email

Karen DeFelice of www.enzymestuff.com recommends Houston's trio:
Zyme Prime - all around enzyme for carbs, fats, proteins
Peptizyde - for proteins, including casein and gluten
No Phenol - for breaking down cell walls of fruits and vegetables

http://www.houstonni.com/

Also Thropp's Elite-Zyme Ultra instead of Houston's ZP, b/c it's cheaper by the case especially
http://www.throppsnutrition.com/ps_ElitezymeUltra.htm

DS is on all 3 Houston's. We had to work up to it for the past 5 weeks. To be honest, I don't think I'm seeing fantastic results here that I expected.

Enzymes for me have been terrific however, and I'm on an el-cheapo one:
http://www.sourcenaturals.com/products/GP1111.html
post #58 of 313
Zanelee - You're about to dive into such a world of knowledge ! Both books sit on my kitchen counter with other cookbooks that I no longer open. Just soak it all in and don't get overwhelmed. Attempt one new item at a time. Just so you know, there is a monthly NT thread in the nutrition forum. Happy reading .

Lisa - I can't imagine how hard it was to listen to Lauren scream in pain . You know as her mama what she does best with. I was in a different situation since I saw NO improvement and actual worsening with the meds. We were only on each for a period of two weeks. I believe in my heart that BF is the best thing for these little ones because BM is so healing. I would still be BF if my stress level had not turned the BM to water. If you start SCD yourself and supplement with a good quality CLO, you may see changes in Lauren. If you can't do dairy there is an acidophilus supplement that Kirkman makes www.kirkmanlabs.com that is legal and will give you the probiotics you need.

Peace,
post #59 of 313
Thread Starter 
Moneca,

Good luck with that new MD please keep us posted. Do you have an appt? I think it makes sense that you utilize their experience as well. I really really hope he will be one that is open to your questions and your nutritional efforts.

That is the same change you noticed when you first tried SCD isn't it? Immediate improvement of symptoms. I know nothing about motility, so I can only assume b/c it's food that is easier to digest?

Hang in there mama
post #60 of 313
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crunchy_mama
ok, I have been reading the SCD site, this seems to go along fairly close to what the ND recommended, stay away from the carbs! I had always thought that as long as they were whole grains they were ok, but ND said no, and it seems that SCD site is saying that as well. I thought it would be good to have some nice grains such as amaranth for breakfast, but I guess that is out.

I am confused though, should I do the diet? Right now Luke is off of solids, breastmilk only. I don't really have the strong symptoms like he does, just think I could feel better and is likely some unrecognized issues. It says if you have diarrhea or bad gas to not eat certain foods, does that mean I can skip that step. Plus, we are not doing dairy, so I am confused by that as well. And one more question while I am asking, the digestive enzymes and such I am taking, will that help him? I am assuming it will be passing to him as well. I don't know if I am understanding this anymore or not. Today I really struggled in the kitchen trying to figure out what to cook, so I ate a whole lot of turkey, as I had cooked a turkey breast.
The issue with whole grains is that they are rarely completely digested b/c of the phytate issue. What is not digested, ferments in the intestines and becomes food for the bad bacteria. If you have a healthy gut, the good bacteria keeps the bad in check. If not, it just perpetuates the "vicious cycle".

If you know you have yeast issues or digestive problems, it will be easier just to commit and do this diet now. I know it's hard, I've lived the long way around for the past year and a half... trust me... I wish I knew about this diet a LONG time ago and just did it then!

Also, the health of your gut will effect your breastmilk. If probiotics are in BM, I'm sure the bad bugs are too.

www.Pecanbread.com is the dairy free version of the SCD

I don't know if enzymes will pass on to him. Maybe they will b/c they do go into the bloodstream. But they will improve your leaky gut, b/c they will help digest food, and whole food molecules then will have less of a chance to pass thru your gut, into your bloodstream, and then into your BM.
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