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post #21 of 34
3/12/03 at 11:46pm
The problem is that the only organic formula I've seen is labeled for use in toddlers only, *not* as a full fledged infant formula. There *are* some babies who need it/mothers who need to use it for whatever reason, and I think those babies have the right to the best substitute possible. It is nowhere near breastmilk by any stretch, but better than what was available before. I don't know why the WHO code would prohibit it: I guess if you are that into organics only, then a boycott would make sense. My understanding was that people were boycotting the product based on his stance on bfing only.
post #22 of 34
3/13/03 at 4:05pm
Thread Starter 
just in case I was misunderstood- I am not anti-formula per sey ( as I have used it with DD 1) . Pro-BF does not mean anti-formula ( for me).

I find it ludicrous that an organic company would sponsor an MD that gives our bad information and is sponsored by bio-tech and formula companies.

When I buy organic, I want to support organic companies. If I buy Doritios or M and M's I can't be that picky right?!

Sorry this topic has strayed....don't know how that always happens: This is not an anti-formula thread. This is a pro-corporate social responisbility thread.

T

For info on why DHA/ARA is a scam, see
dha formula is a marketing scam or search on various lactation education and professional sites.
post #23 of 34
3/13/03 at 4:27pm
Wasn't Stonyfield Farms recently bought out by some mega-food corporation? I don't remember which one, but this might explain a few things.

I quit buying their yo-baby because I thought it had way too much sugar. I prefer the large tubs of Horizon; it's pricey but not quite so expensive as the single serving sizes.

Saundra
post #24 of 34
3/13/03 at 5:09pm
keysmama, i've got to respectfully disagree on the DHA issue. it's been added to european formulas for years now. i'm much more inclined to trust dr sears than anything i read or hear on foxnews. can't stand them! check this quote out from that foxnews link...

Quote:
Assuming for the sake of argument that breast-fed infants actually fare better on developmental tests than formula-fed infants, this could be explained by many factors.

Women who choose to breast-feed tend to be older, more educated and of higher socio-economic status than those who don't. These key factors could easily account for the slight developmental differences reported in some — but not all — studies comparing breast-fed with formula-fed infants.
what!? doesn't everybody get it by now that breast is best? bleah!

as for stonyfield, sorry to hear they've been bought by dannon. don't know what to think about dr greene. dh and i were having a conversation just the other night about how the consumerist corpracracy sooner or later swallows up the good companies, like ben & jerry's and now i guess stonyfield, too. urgh...

i think sometimes i just wanna go live in the woods and withdraw myself from this society...
post #25 of 34
3/13/03 at 5:33pm
Thread Starter 

so OT, but since we are going there....

( maybe this should be a new thread ?)
beanma-I have heard and understand that the marketing of these new formulas abroad ( from the US) is superior.

I too want a healthy alternative for babies that need it. I don't particullary like Fox news either, but the information reflects what those in the lactation field have been talking about since the push to add these ingredients surfaced.

Just one of many examples I was directed to is in the September 1996 issue of AAP News. Dr Thomas Hale said it best in a summary, that we don't yet understand this field well enough to just dump some new fatty acids in formulas and presume they are safe.

I don't want babies being guinea pigs.

Many researchers are showing just adding DHA or Ara to formulas ( and now baby food) may be more harmful than helpful and that a great deal more research is needed before these fish eyeball oil by-products should be added to baby formula.

Similac REFUSED to jump on that bandwagon citing popular anti-dha additive research until their market share started going down the drain. Now, they are on board! hmmmm



I will happily change my mind after followup of the test babies is complete and they are healthy.


And yes, I read about the swallowing up of Ben and Jerry's and Stoneyfield too in this months Mother Jones. So sad. The small companies just can't stay small forever I guess.....


anyone know how to make homemade yogurts???
post #26 of 34
3/13/03 at 5:57pm
I haven't tried it, but with one small tub of organic yogurt and some organic milk and powdered milk, you could make your own:

http://www.foodtv.com/foodtv/recipe/...,22599,00.html
post #27 of 34
3/14/03 at 1:37pm
Thread Starter 
thanks for the recipe for yogurt- sounds easy enough!
PS abigail- I LOVE Betsy Rose, and have 2 of her releases.....we used to play her music at my birthing center....
post #28 of 34
3/14/03 at 6:20pm
NO! Not Ben and Jerry's! I thought they were some of the good guys
post #29 of 34
3/14/03 at 6:43pm
Thread Starter 
Yep- Ben and Jerry's is owned by the Slimfast, Lipton, Dove Soap, Skippy peaunut butter and "I can't believe its not butter!" company....

Powerbar by Nestle

White Wave Silk soy products by Borden

After the Fall juices and Santa Cruz Natural juices by CRISCO!!!

the list goes on and on...check out this month's Mother Jones Magazine....
post #30 of 34
3/14/03 at 6:53pm
where do i find this mother jones magazine?

its the same ole thing, talkin the talk, but not doin the walk.

corruption seems to be just a matter of time nowadays.


:sinister :sinister :sinister :sinister
post #31 of 34
3/14/03 at 6:58pm
Thread Starter 
I get mine on the news stand( at Wild Oats), but check their site too Mother Jones
post #32 of 34
3/14/03 at 11:47pm
Quote:
Originally posted by KeysMama
thanks for the recipe for yogurt- sounds easy enough!
PS abigail- I LOVE Betsy Rose, and have 2 of her releases.....we used to play her music at my birthing center....
It looked easy when Alton Brown did it. A friend of mine saw him talk and said that he also has talked about having made yogurt from his wife's breastmilk! I wish I had thought of that before my small frozen stash went past it's expiration date. I could have seen how DS likes yogurt!

I love her too! My mom and baby yoga teacher played "Mama's Milk" for us and i was hooked.
post #33 of 34
3/15/03 at 1:33am
Back to that Fox News article by Stephen Milloy? I don't trust him or the Cato Institute, his employer - an ultra-conservative think tank. Milloy's Junk Science website is all about debunking little myths like, oh, arsenic in drinking water is bad for you, or mercury in vaccines is bad for you....his "science" is aimed at trying to disprove the basis for environmental, safety, and health regulations.

Check this out on who's behind the Cato Institute: link

This link debunks Milloy's JunkScience webpage.
post #34 of 34
3/15/03 at 11:12am
Thread Starter 
Jane, yuk! Obviously Fox is a bad example! There are plenty of credible sites and references to the DHA problems. That was just one of many that had it in a short article! I will take that one off my list....
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