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post #101 of 153
I have had staples for both my CS. The staples were removed about 3 days out, a special glue was painted on, and steri strips were applied (which stay on until they "fall off", but mine NEVER DO, and I end up peeling them off at 4 or 5 weeks out...)
My scar is just a thin line, no infection, yadda yadda... not an accurate reflection of the emotional scar...

As far as the various layers, they generally suture that with a synthetic suturing material, like Vicryl or whatnot.
post #102 of 153
Originally Posted by gethane
Thanks for the input. Does anyone know if there is any relation to incisions reopening and staples vs sutures? I have to admit, my incision reopening and oozing stinky pus for weeks afterward really contributed to my poor recovery. I felt gross, physically and emotionally.
More likely with staples or glue. (yes, glue) Also, you need to have double layered sutures on the inside.
post #103 of 153
Originally Posted by its_our_family
I had staples both times with no problems. I also a "gorgeous" scar.

NOt sure sutures would have been like except more time in the or.
My last two sections were 20 and 30 minutes, it took five minutes longer to suture me. Doctors like to use staples and use it more often because its quicker, not because its better. There isn't a lot of skill involved with a staple gun, but it does take skill to be sewn up right with sutures. Luckily the last two I had did it right!
post #104 of 153
OTF, I'm just curious why you prefer sutures so much to staples? It sounds like you've had both and prefer the sutures and I'm wondering why. Just curious.
post #105 of 153
Originally Posted by OnTheFence
On past threads there are Cesarean Birth Plans. Also, if you go to my blog and click on the Cesarean Goddess Section my Birthplan is located there.

I did not go into labor first, but actually scheduled my csection (and the one before it). I would defintiely plan, schedule another one if I find myself pregnant again. I personally feel its safer for mother and baby if you know your dates. There is research to support both sides, so its really a personal decision.

I did print out a copy of your birth plan. It included a zillion things I didn't even know to consider. thank you. I'm going to wander around your Cesarean goddess Section and see what else I find. this thread is very helpful!

post #106 of 153
Sorry to vent but I am really irritated right now. I am planning a VBA2C but there is still some fear there. Since I have partial placenta previa we'll have to see what happens. Anyways I am on the ICAN list and people are laying into me because I responded to someone that our bodies are scarred and there is a risk there. Everybody is saying, "Well I had a wonderful homebirth so obviously I am fine." Well yes, you are. So will 98 other women out of 100 be. But 1 won't and you dont know if you will be that 1. Yes its a small risk but I think it hurts the VBAC movement more than helps to pretend and gloss over the risks. How is it truly an informed decision if people are led to believe there is really no risk? It makes me so mad. If we want informed choice for every women how can we fault the woman who reads the same statistics and decided that FOR HER the risks are too great to do a VBAC. Why do people have to treat this person as if they are uneducated or fear driven? I guess I will just never be someone who wants the perfect birth experience so much that I will convince myself that nothing could ever go wrong. Its like a high school age person - they think nothing bad could ever happen to them. Most of us grow out of that mindset. Why do people have to make it sound as if every rupture is the result of hospital mismanagement so the REAL risk is incredibly small? Why can't they say that to them 1% is an acceptable level of risk and they are going for it? Maybe because it ISN'T an acceptable level of risk so they have to convince themselves that the risk is much, much smaller? Who knows, that is just speculation. I AM planning a VBAC but I am doing it in the hospital and on fetal monitoring. I have been cut up for those choices. I am an educated woman, I read the studies too and this is the conclusion I have come up with for what is safe to me. Why assume I am uneducated just because I don't march over to your (general you) camp and do exactly what YOU would do?

Okay vent over!
post #107 of 153
Originally Posted by Ben's Mommy
Kim - any news about your 2ww!?
No, I am afraid to test!
post #108 of 153
I hear what you are saying Heavenly. I get flak sometimes too. I have high PIH, which has resulted in many of my children being induced early (even my 2 vbacs, back before they knew the risks). Now, since inducing can't occur for a vbac and I've had my second c-section, I really have no choice but to have a c-section. And no, I'm not interested in a home birth with my own health problems. I'd like to live through the birth of my child and not stroke out.

Don't let them convince you that you will fail if you vbac in a hospital. I had 2 successful vbacs after my first c-section and both were in the hospital, on fetal monitoring with pitocin in the IV. The first was awfully long, and a different doctor would've sectioned (pushed for 2.5 hours), but the second was pretty much a breeze. I did get a uterine infection after that, since the idiot doctor insisted on sticking his damn hand up there to "check for tears." Thanks for introducing the infection causing bacteria!
post #109 of 153
Originally Posted by egoldber
OTF, I'm just curious why you prefer sutures so much to staples? It sounds like you've had both and prefer the sutures and I'm wondering why. Just curious.
First, there is a less likely chance that the incision will reopen with sutures. Staples can get twisted in the skin (this did happen to me with my first) Sutures, done correctly, usually make a "better" scar. For me, the sutures made me feel like I was put together better and tighter. It was easier for me to get around, and get up with the sutures than with the staples making for a better recovery.
post #110 of 153

Personally I think what you are doing is not only smart, but the way I would go. The facts are, people do rupture and people have lost their babies to rupture. Of course when its not happening to the other person, the statistic -- no matter how small -- is insignificant to that person.

I've known more people to rupture in the past year than I have the previous years attempting VBACs. It is a real occurrence -- that mom's here can attest too. Each woman who is VBAC or faced with a repeat cesarean should not be condemned, berated, or IMO need to defend her choices.

I left ICAN a long time ago. I think they skew statistics and play down the risks. I think their agenda is bigger than the reality and the militant anti-csection bull crap they spill often overrides good common sense and sound medical judgement.

I find it so interesting that in more crunchy forums a 1% serious vaccine reaction is blown out of proportion but a uterine rupture before or during a VBAC attempt is played down like its nothing, or when a post date baby dies its just a freak occurrence.

Heavenly I wish you all the luck in getting the birth you want, just ignore the nay sayers!
post #111 of 153
I agree with all that. I am considering leaving because IMO the stuff they are saying totally minimizes the risks. If someone does rupture it will be all hush hushed and people will pick it apart to prove that something the doctors did caused it or that it is just a fluke. i so agree about the vaccine thing. I actually DON'T vaccinate because I feel the small risk is not worth it. I don't want to risk hurting my kids. That's why I am struggling so much with this decision because I know that a uterine rupture is actually MORE possible than a serious vaccine reaction. A part of me is still not sure. People on here do skew statistics to fit their purposes. (these are just made up numbers for examples sake) 1% of babies die from being formula fed-formula feeding is evil. 1% of babies die from co-sleeping-oh that is just a rare risk and you are silly to worry about it. obviously those statistics are not real but my point is that to be TRULY informed you cannot just pick and choose which statistics you will believe. I hear sooooo much about the risks of c-sections on here but no one is able to acknowledge the risks of VBAC or even vaginal birth in general without getting jumped all over. Like I've said many times to various people - sure vaginal birth has less risks than a c-section...if you don't rupture. But since you have a 1% chance of rupturing I would wager that statistically the risk of VBAC is higher. there is so much talk about being educated and informed consent but only if you are educated to what Mothering believes and consent to what they consent to. I love these boards and don't plan on going anywhere but it makes me very frustrated that seemingly educated women can not see the flaw in their thinking process there.
post #112 of 153
hey ladies~i spoke w/ my ob's office yesterday and i asked if anyone in the group did vbacs and only my ob and another do them!!! yipee!!!!! im so excited. that was the one thing that was dulling this experience of having a third. i really didn't want another section. now hopefully i won't have too!
post #113 of 153
Shawna, I was thinking about what you wrote because I work with about 5 or 6 other women who delivered within a year of me who all had c-s. We were all pretty much told that we can't have vbacs b/c our pelvises are too small. Among us, we have a complete variety of body types - short, tall, heavy, thin, etc. There is NO WAY we all have pelvises that are too small. But I can't get anyone to believe that maybe their body is just fine.

For instance I was talking to 1 friend here who was told that her baby would be at least 8.5 lbs. She was induced early and delivered a 6lb 12 oz baby by c-s b/c her pelvis was too small. She's about 5' 2" so she totally believes it. I tried pointing out to her that her doctor has already proven that he can be wrong since his weight prediction was way off but she still believes that he must know what he's tallking about with regard to her pelvis. I told her that there are risks with a vbac and if she's more comfortable with a c-s, she shoud have a c-s. However, there are still risks with a c-s and she should weigh them both (especially since she had a rough recovery and developed an infection post c-s). I really wish women would just educate themselves!!!! If they ultimately chose c-s, that's fine. But I hate when women just go along b/c they believe doctors are infallable (even when they've already proven to be fallable!!!)

My friend often talks to me as though I will just plan on another c-s. Sometimes I want to vbac just to prove her and everyone else wrong. But I know that it won't change her or most other womens' minds about their own "broken" bodies.
post #114 of 153
I just wanted to clarify that I am thinking of leaving the ICAN list, not Mothering.
post #115 of 153
Originally Posted by dlm194
But I know that it won't change her or most other womens' minds about their own "broken" bodies.
It is frustrating. Mind you...I think I have a broken body, too. But, I didn't think that way until after I acquired the scar on my uterus and abdomen...
post #116 of 153
Originally Posted by Heavenly
I just wanted to clarify that I am thinking of leaving the ICAN list, not Mothering.
I just joined yesterday, so I don't really have a feel for it yet. But, I have been reading your emails, and I think you have a point.
post #117 of 153
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by Heavenly
Why assume I am uneducated just because I don't march over to your (general you) camp and do exactly what YOU would do?
I agree with you completely! I do believe in INFORMED decisions, and they are to be decided upon by YOU...no one else. I do feel (here at MDC) that you have to comply with other's views. Like there is no middle ground. Not every woman is the same, and no one is ever going to make the exact same decision as another. As long as you educate yourself and understand the "risks" to what you are or aren't deciding, then that's that. You have made the right decision for you, and no one should pressure you to change your mind. Making an informed decision is hard enough without added pressure!

Mommy2girlies - congrats on your successful OB appt!

Kim - You'll have to let us know when you test!
post #118 of 153
Hey mamas, I am not active posting here, but read when I can. As someone who has been through a minor rupture, which would've likely been a catastrophic had I gone into full labor, let me say this: Read, reseearch, think on it, talk to your dr/midwife, then LISTEN TO YOUR INSTINCTS. I had planned to go in for my 3rd section when I was in full labor (to be sure babe was ready) that seemed like the best thing to do based on my research, in the end though, I scheduled my section b/c it just "felt" right, I couldn't explain it away with research or anything, I just knew what I needed to do, and it was the right choice for me. In all things mamas, research and then trust your own instincts.

I am sorry to those who feel pressured one way or the other.
post #119 of 153
I agree with trusting our instincts, except for one thing. When everyone around you is pushing and pushing in one direction and/or employing scare tactics, it's very difficult to separate your intuitive feelings from the external stuff being pushed down your throat.
post #120 of 153
That is so true, which is why I am thankful for my faith, I can "pray on it" and that works for me but ymmv.
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