With all due respect, KeysMama, you may think you are being polite, but as someone who gave birth in a hospital, I find your statement very dismissive. It's like you are trying to make women who had empowering, positive birth experiences - and this can happen in hospital settings - feel like their experiences were less than ideal simply because of where they occured.
No it's the mindset of the hospital organization staff, etc that make it nearly impossible for a woman to birth normally and natrally in that setting. As a doula and apprentice midwife I have yet to see it. I would never consider changing a womans thoughts on her birth and making her feel less for birthing in a hospital. Women are intelligent beings, I am here to provide information and she can make decisions about what kind of birth she wants and what is best for her. It is not my birth!
I understand that this thread is about the fact that some people believe any non c/s birth should be considered "natural", (and I agree that this is kind of strange!) but there seems to be an undertone to this discussion that any intervention at all is not only not "natural" but probably completely unnecessary, and something to feel guilty about.
Of course not, sometimes interventions save lives and thank God for them then. And it does occur to me that these women who go around talking about thier "natural" births LOVE thier birth experience. Itr would be great to make a friend and not discount thier experience but tap into that love of birth and show them what else there can be. BTW Most of the time our hospitals use intervention routinely and it is not necessary, that is the overtone and very often it is true. The practice I work with has a 7% transport rate, usually for pitocin about 1% total need forceps/vacum) and of the 7% a 2% Cesarean rate, all with much better mortality stats than doctors and hospitals.
Completely "natural" birth is unattainable for some women. Not most women, but some. No matter how much we plan, read, work with our midwives, etc., real life sometimes just doesn't cooperate. I had the most wonderful, supportive, "natural" midwife I could have hoped to find. When it became clear that intervention was needed, I trusted her. And both ds and I are alive today. A hundred years ago, we'd both be dead.
True and that is something those women need to understand and come to terms with themselves. All women should not have the knowledge of how unneccesary and even sometimes dangerous uneeded interventions can be glossed over so that the few who truly need them fell better about themselves. I have sat with women in labor helped them adjust with going to a hospital and thought to myself "just do the damn c-sec now, or do the damn episiotomy, she needs it get that baby out."(Heartrates in the 50's and 60's on the baby) Then helped them adjust to thier experience and grieve the loss of a natural homebirth, without losing sight of the fact that the interventions were needed to have a healthy baby.
I think it's time we stopped being so judgemental of each other - and especially of ourselves - for the kinds of births we have.
I do not judge. It is not what I would choose but not my birth either. I am however convinced that the most natural birth possible is what is the safest and wonderful for both mom and baby.