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Poll Results: Have you had a lotus birth or know some one who has?

 
  • 13% (10)
    yes, I had a lotus birth
  • 9% (7)
    I know someone who had a lotus birth
  • 42% (31)
    what is a lotus birth ;) ????
  • 34% (25)
    Sounds cool and I might comsider one
73 Total Votes  
post #21 of 46
Thread Starter 
lilyka-I've never heard of a baby going for a whole month w/o losing it!! (the placenta that is.) I think the longest is around a week and a half to 2. But even that seems very long to me. Is the climate where you live dry? that helps. or you can motheroast meaning turn up the room temperature high so that clothes aren't necessary and that should aid it. Also using the seasalt should help if you were planning on going that route.
good luck. I can hardly imagine that a lotus birth would go taht long. ALso maybe appying some goldenseal powder for umbilical cords sold at birth supply store sprinkled at the belly button should help the button heal and dry more quickly. Just apply whenever it looks damp.
post #22 of 46
bump
post #23 of 46
Quote:
Originally posted by kerikadi

"The idea of leaving the placenta attached to the baby was floating around about 20 yrs ago. You will end up with a truly stinky object attached to your baby in fairly short order, not to mention the awkwardness of trying to breastfeed and tend your baby. (Think about leaving out a piece of liver on your kitchen counter for a couple of days.) I expect that was why it disappeared. I can't imagine what possible advantage doing this would have. Once the baby's circulation switches over when it starts to breathe, there is nothing flowing through the cord.
-- Henci

Hmm, I love Henci's work, but am a bit suprised by her tone. Here is my take on Lotus, and I will defintely admit, that I am NO anthropologist!!

I had a homebirth, and have attended homebirth for years. I am a all around natural mama, in just about every way you could name. ok, there is my preface.

I am really into the natural order of mammalian birthing, and read about it as often as possible. I have yet to find another mammal that practices a lotus -type ritual. It seems to me that it would go against nature in that the utmost call to a new mother is protecting her young from predators. This is why ( in books) they say that animals eat or bury the placenta, so that when it rots, no predator will know that a fresh new baby is around. ( other reasons too, but that is the safety one). Protection rituals abound in people and animals as far as hiding scent, stifiling cries, and even birthing under the protection of the new moon.

Now true, our species does not live out in the wild anymore, and thus have evolved away from protection instincts, but my personal opinion is that lotus birth is a human ritual that is deliberate and personal for many , but not natural. This is just my opinion, and I don't detest lotus practice, just argue whether it is 'natural' in the animal sense.

So there is my take. It is a ritual that could really add something special to your new time with baby, the laying in period and bonding. I think ritual is essential with motherhood. However I don't find lotus birth to be natural in the mammalian sense.

If I am wrong, or if anyone has any good refereces, please let me know! This is a particular fascination with me!!
post #24 of 46

Has anyone had a Lotus Birth???

Just wondering if anyone knows about lotus births and what exactly it intails after the birth actually happens. It is my understanding that all you really need to do is keep placenta dry and attached as long as it takes. If you know of more info please let me know. Thanks for everyone who posts.
post #25 of 46
I have always heard of families salting the placenta and rubbing in something like sage also. I've also heard that they wrapped the placenta in cheese cloth.
post #26 of 46
There are some older threads here that are chock full of lotus info. I find the idea fascinating but I am pretty sure I don't have the temperment to deal with it. I'm also not sure that down here in the tropics there are any measures that would prevent the placenta from getting funky, what with the humidity and the heat. I may be wrong of course. Maybe I am selfish, but if I have another one I want to try to find someone to make me placenta capsules. I don't think you can do that if you go lotus.
post #27 of 46
I found a website at www.mangomama.net when I was pgnt and she lives on Maui, I believe. She talks about it and how she has lotus birthed. It is a cool site! I might think of doing it the next time around but I just wanted to learn more about it first. The capsules sound neat too, maybe I will do that instead. I don't know I am just fishing for something new to do I guess!
post #28 of 46
bumping it up for earthmama, 007.
post #29 of 46
Thread Starter 
yes, we had one w/ds a year ago may. it was for the most part great and i would do it w/subsequent births. if people are interested, www.freestone.org has a book for sale and a packet that we got when preparing for the birth. and as someone else mentioned, there are a couple of threads here too!
post #30 of 46
Great thread! I've been doing a fair bit of online reading in preparation for #3's arrival in the late Fall, and am wondering what people do about holding the baby skin-to-skin if they have a Lotus birth? I feel that skin-to-skin is really crucial, and am wondering if it's possible w. L.B.?

Also, for those of you who have done this, in the very first hours after birth, what did you do with the placenta--wrap in a diaper or let it "air out" in a strainer inside a bucket or something else totally different than those two things?

Thanks!
post #31 of 46
Thread Starter 
hi lovinglife.

here's what *we* did...
I could of course still do lots of skin to skin. it's a little trickier as the cord dries since it's stiff but entirely possible. you just must carry the placenta too....some people have wrapped it up and kept it on the baby. don't know if this is a good idea but it is an idea.

we just followed the directions in Jeannine Parvati Baker's Lotus birth packet (you can order it from www.freestone.org) where you wait for the blood to congeal, wash it off a little and then place in a colander on something absorbant (we used a diaper) and sprinkled it w/sea salt. it was open for a while to dry out...you basically want everything to dry out as fast as possible. we resalted it only a couple of times during the first day i believe.

good luck!
post #32 of 46
Hey lovinglife,
We had a lotus birth in January, this is what we did-
after the birth the placenta was in a bowl until I got all
comfy and situated in bed. About 3 or so hours PP we
drained the placenta and patted it dry
wrapped the placenta in a couple diapers, and that was it.
I layed in bed naked with my little one almost continuously
for 3 days until the cord separated. We changed the
diapers once a day and sprinkled some rosemary and
lavendar on the placenta. We had plenty of skin to skin
and when the cord started to dry it did get harder to move him around but it did not seem to matter since we mostly laid there
together either him on the bed and me on my side, or him on my
belly. It was great!
Racheal

oh yeah the placenta we just kept on the bed next to the baby
all wrapped up
post #33 of 46
how come my posts always look so funny?
never really a paragraph, to much space between
sentences
:-) Racheal
post #34 of 46
Cool! Thanks, ladies. Did either of you try "molding" the cord? I read online about one family saying that if they knew how brittle the cord would become, they would have put it to dry in a better position (I believe the way they had the cord it was pulling a little on their baby). It seems like maybe looping it up on the abdomen would be good, if it's long enough....

Also, Racheal, is something special involved in "draining the placenta" or was it just taking it out of the drainer? I feel so clueless!

Lastly, what was the reaction of your healthcare provider? (at the birth, and also your baby's ped)

Thank you!!!!!
post #35 of 46
I know what they are, but won't be having one. Sounds really interesting, but not my cup of tea.
post #36 of 46
Thread Starter 
hi lovinglife

we didn't try to mold it, though w/subsequent births, i might be a litte more careful. though I don't know how much more I could really do, aside from looping it up.....

as for what our practioners thought, we didn't really have any. we did a freebirth....no one else really there. actually we took him in around ten days old cuz i was concerned about his breathing....and i believe i told her what we did...it'd already fallen off obviously...she didn't really seemed shocked, just said his belly button looked great...but this is someone that knew how we were birthing because I had come in to see her early preg. cuz of back pain and had told her that I didn't need a referal to a dr. LOL.

anyway, i had a friend in SD who had a HBAC/lotus birth w/second child and the midwife didn't say anything. I doubt you'd be able to get a traditional OB to go along w/it..but who knows?

i would think that most "alternative" practioners might be open to it. in my experience, if you seem set and confident, they leave you alone. i really expected to get challenged more than i did by people re: the birth and lotus birth....but didn't get too much flack. in fact, most people thought it was interesting and were supportive. and even my RN mother didn't argue the lotus birth part, just the birth part!!! though i remember her saying re: the pix we sent them...."is that his *placenta* still attached to him??"
post #37 of 46
Hey!
By draining, I meant just draining the birth blood, amniotic fluid ect that had collected in the placenta bowl... nothing fancy.
We kind of tried to mold the cord to where we thought it would be the most comfortable for baby and us.
When I was in midwifery school we had a midwife teaching from a freestanding birth center who said that she had just been with a lady who had a lotus birth and they transported to the hospital during labor. The nurses and everyone else did not know what to think but her pediatrition was fine with it so they were too. I thought it was odd though because I was the doula for a woman who gave birth at the same hospital and they had a fit just about her taking her placenta home with her.
post #38 of 46
I had a lotus birth, and would do it again!
post #39 of 46
I don't want to offend, but I'm just wondering what's so natural about a lotus birth? I read in detail Mango Mamma's info on it and also read a few personal stories on websites. All mammals that I know of chew the cord off soon after birth and some even eat the placenta. I've never heard of any mammal having her young attached to the placenta until it fell off on its own. I like the idea of having a period of isolation with a new baby (we had one with ours), but then there's the danger of the cord getting stiff and if you move the baby and not the cord it can pull on the tummy and cause injury to the baby. Or so I've read.

Also, is this a new thing or have their been documented cases of it being practiced in certain tribes or whatever?

Thanks,
Darshani
post #40 of 46
Thread Starter 
USAmma--this idea had been raised in the other lotus birth thread previously.

Obviously, this brings into question the idea of "natural". It's hard to argue that something is natural....however I do really believe it is more gentle.
I would say that just because other mammals do not do it does not mean it's not beneficial to babe and family. We are not in the wild, in comparison to other mammals, as you pointed out. no predator is going to smell our blood, etc.

I think that there are some monkeys that actually do this.. but i can't remember where i read this. i will post if i come up with it.

it is basically just a furthering of the idea of gentle treatment. no violence done to the child, giving them the imprint of being able to let things go on their own, not being rushed by their parents.

Many believe that it is a subtle energy we are dealing with.

also, this brings into question the "honor" of the father cutting the cord...but as i said, the other lotus birth tread had extensive response to this idea so i won't repeat.

as far as it being new, Jeannine Parvati Baker started talking about lotus birth around the late 70's I believe. I have no idea prior to that.

and all i can say, that for our family, it was amazing and spiritual time. it did have it's difficulties, but i don't think i'd ever be able to cut or have cut a baby's cord in the future. and i have to say, ds seems to have benefited from it, as did we.
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