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post #21 of 152
I'm sure a lot of it is ignorance. I myself am completely ignorant on this subject, and when I hear about the hundreds of thousands of kids in the US foster care system, I often do wonder why so many people adopt from other countries. What about the kids here? That is just my first thought. I have no clue about the requirements/waiting lists, etc. and all that stuff that makes international adoption so appealing, so maybe...educating people a bit would be better?

I am not criticizing. I think it is wonderful that you are adopting. I am just giving my perspective from someone doesn't know very much about the adoption process.
post #22 of 152
Haven't had time to read everything -- i will.

However

we will be adopting internationally -- we think --

my point is

i worked foster care for 9 years....

kids in the US have more options -- in the system or not -- then kids left listless in a orphangae in another county...

that is my short answer.

Aimee
post #23 of 152
Awww Starr; I cannot imagine how hurt you must be! I think you did a great thing by standing up and speaking out
I'm a global family type of thinker too. I am responsible every time a baby is starving anywhere on this fragile little planet. It just happens that my children were born on this continent.
I do love reading these replies! I know the tactic of answering a question with a question is uselful, I could never come up with a question for some of these dumb questions! I love "How many children have you adopted?" Great response! Just act as if I assume that they have done what they think I "should" be doing!
Anyway, thank you so much!!!!
post #24 of 152
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Originally Posted by Katwoman
It seems to me that what you were expressing was a natural maternal instinct not for your child to hurt, especially because of something you did. (We all acknowledge that it is unrealistic to keep all hurt aways from our child(ren). But we feel the need to try anyway. We don't want the ones we love to hurt.) And for that, I don't believe you should have gotten the response, maybe you need to reconsider what you're doing, maybe your not ready. And feeling that way, I just wanted you to know that someone read your post another way. I think it's great that you're thinking about this issues and want to do what's right by any potential adoptive child.
Wow. I felt a bit attacked by Tigerchild. Thanks for your post.

It's hard to get the nuances of what a person's saying when it's typed out. You understood exactly what I was saying my concern was. It wasn't concern for my feelings, it was concern for the child involved. Do I want to bring a child over to America and have the child wish they'd "died on the streets" of their country? My husband and I live in an area right now with a very strong international community, but we'll be moving to a very rural, I'm sure very white farming community. Is that fair to the child?

I talked to one of my Indian friends today and she said that the few Indians she knows here who were adopted felt really out of place in their white families-especially when they hit their teenage years. And these are kids that love their adoptive families very much, but are clear about forming even stronger ties with the local Indian community.

I acknowledge that most of my fear falls in the irrational "I want to protect my child from pain" category. Even if "protecting" her means not adopting her.

Please be kind to those of us who are working our way through these emotions. It's helpful-even crucial-to hear adoptees stories, I understand this. And I appreciate the link to the books, EFmom.
post #25 of 152
wow, this is a rollercoaster ride and I'm learning quite a bit. I see how naive I've been about the idea of adoption.
I really thought adoption was a great thing, domestic or international and never considered that my love for an adoptive child could fail them. That if I went into it with an open heart and the best intentions... that anything other than happiness could be the outcome. I mean, I know there are always challenges and issues, but I still thought that OVERALL everything would be okay.
Now I'm hearing that adoptive children would "rather die" than be adopted to another country.
I'm hearing that family members are unaccepting.
I'm hearing that the general public is unaccepting.

It's really disheartening.
I view this planet and all the people that inhabit it as ONE family so the argument over domestic vs. int'l adoption makes no sense to me. I actually think mixing us all up together would be a good thing. People would learn about other cultures and know and love children of different races. I'm not being very eloquent here but I hope you can understand what I'm getting at. I'm tired of groups of people fighting other groups of people. We are all PEOPLE. I'd love to celebrate our differences and strive to find each other interesting instead of threatening.

I LOVE children. I think I'm a good mother. I have two bio kids now and would like to add another. Adoption seemed like a great thing to do for many reasons. Is it? Can't love conquer all? Isn't it possible to have lots of conversations with your kids (bio and adopted) and raise them all knowing that they are special and wanted and loved? Can't love overcome all of this racism and prejudice and ignorance? Isn't it better to TRY than not to?
post #26 of 152
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Originally Posted by artgirl
I really thought adoption was a great thing, domestic or international and never considered that my love for an adoptive child could fail them. That if I went into it with an open heart and the best intentions... that anything other than happiness could be the outcome. I mean, I know there are always challenges and issues, but I still thought that OVERALL everything would be okay.
If I were more eloquent, this is exactly what my first post would have said.
post #27 of 152
Niamh, I can understand how you might feel attacked, but I don't think that's Tigerchild's intent at all. I think that what she was saying was that before you start the adoption process, these are all issues that need to be honestly examined. Your social worker, for example, will probably want to know that you've thought about them.

If you are going to be living in an area that is largely white, it is a very good idea to check out cultural resouces available. Are there any colleges or universities nearby? They are often sources of more cultural diversity. You also might talk to other groups of adoptive parents who will know about resources for IA families.

No one here is trying to dissuade you from adopting. It is important to support your child's cultural identity, so that they will be comfortable with themselves. Past generations of IA parents thought that their kids should just assimilate as best they could, but that didn't always work so well for the kids.

Through our adoptions we feel we've become a Chinese-American family, and we work hard to make sure that our kids know other kids like them, have good adult role models and have exposure to some Chinese culture. It's not always easy and it is time consuming. It can also be a great deal of fun and a way to expand your own horizons.

Do read about the people who are unhappy about adoption. But don't let it stop you. There is excellent research out there that shows that the overwhelming majority of internationally adopted kids are happy, well-adjusted, successful and love their parents. Rita James Simon is a good author to look for. Some of her books are "Adoption across borders : serving the children in transracial and intercountry adoptions" and "Adoption, race, & identity : from infancy to young adulthood." There are others as well.

I'm a huge advocate of adoption. But I also realize that there is loss associated with it, which needs to be acknowledged.

artgirl, yes, some members of the general public are idiots whose mouths run faster than their brains. Some family members are bigots. If you are a mama, you do what you need to do to insulate your child from these people. In my experience, most people are overwhelmingly supportive, however. Even my family members who weren't particularly happy about our adoption plans did a 180 once the kids arrived.

Being an adoptive family does mean you have a few additional issues to deal with that you can't ignore. So, you deal with them. Adopting our kids is the best thing we've ever done.
post #28 of 152
thanks for the author refrence and the books, i have added them to my wishlist.

Aimee
post #29 of 152
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys for all your support, I thought I sounded like a major B*^$#. But I honestly felt verbally attacked by this woman and its hard to think of an eloquent response on demand. For the record I have no problems explaining the differences and requirements of adoption to those that are genuinly curious, but this was not the case. I guess we all learn how to handle things differently, but you should have seen sweet DH's face after I made my little speech . He was speechless.
post #30 of 152
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Originally Posted by artgirl
I really thought adoption was a great thing, domestic or international and never considered that my love for an adoptive child could fail them. That if I went into it with an open heart and the best intentions... that anything other than happiness could be the outcome. I mean, I know there are always challenges and issues, but I still thought that OVERALL everything would be okay.
Adoption IS a wonderful thing, but it's not a surefire formula for "success." No parent gets that guarantee no matter how a family is formed.

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Originally Posted by artgirl
Now I'm hearing that adoptive children would "rather die" than be adopted to another country.
I'm hearing that family members are unaccepting.
I'm hearing that the general public is unaccepting.
Please don't paint the entire adoption community with the unfortunate experiences of a vocal microminority.

Artgirl, you sound like a loving and caring parent who wants nothing but the best for her children and will go to the ends of the earth for them. If you're drawn to adoption, then follow that path. Children the world over need families and families the world over need these children.
post #31 of 152
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Originally Posted by Niamh
Wow. I felt a bit attacked by Tigerchild. Thanks for your post.
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If you feel attacked by me, I'd appreciate it if you say WHAT it was that I said that made you feel attacked (I even said that not wanting adult child rejection didn't knock you out because that is EVERY mother's fear regardless of how she gets her children), instead of passively attacking ME.

I'm thinking that probably you shouldn't read the adult adoptee sites, if my even acknowledging that this is might create difficulties for you in your adoption journey makes you feel attacked. You're going to be absolutely horrified by what you see on the boards then, when in fact I don't think it has anything to do with adoptive parents, and everything to do with the internal struggle/emotions that some (SOME) adult adoptees are working through. Nothing more, nothing less.

You can't make all parenting decisions based on fear of what your adult children are going to think. You can't control that. And that has nothing to do with adoption.

If you want to adopt, then adopt! But don't do it with a spirit of fear and worry about what other people (including your kid) are going to think about you for doing so. You are going to hear completely mindnumbing inconsiderate and cruel things coming out of people's mouths once you start on that path. But it is *really* different than some of the horrific things people say to pregnant women, biracial families, families of a different socioeconomic status than the speaker, families who have 'too many' children, ect? I suppose in a way, because adoptive parents (and adoptees) are encouraged by society to think of themselves as "less than" (though most I know throw that off, it's hard not to feel that pang when someone close to you makes an ignorant unintentionally hurtful comment). And some adoptive families also have to deal with leftover baggage from the classless things people said to them during their period of infertility and afterwards (and BOY can people come up with some doozies there), which compounds things.

If you had read my post, and not checked out after the first phrase that insulted you, perhaps you would have gotten my complete message--sure, check things out, but once you make the decision to adopt, then don't allow anyone else to ruin your joy in your family. It'd be nice to expect that outsiders would rewrite their points of view so we don't have to hear them, but it's not going to happen anytime soon. As an adoptee I had to learn to have a thick skin. I would think that as an adoptive parent you have to do that even more--because you don't just worry about you, you also have to be willing to stand in and protect your child. My parents were abusive, and used my adoption as an emotional battering ram. Yet, I'm not negative about adoption. And you know what? I know twenty other adoptees that were in similar situations and feel the same way I do.

Who cares what a few people have to say about how adoption is evil? I can guarantee you that there are just as many who say that it's wonderful. Does it creep me out a bit when people have unrealistic expectations about adoptees? Well, yes, a little. But no more than what I feel when people who aren't parents tell me about how they're going to be perfect and won't abide anything different. You parent, you make mistakes, you learn, you grow--together. Period, beginning of story. You can intellectualize all you want, but I really don't think you know how you're going to do it until you just do it. You love your kids, you'll find a way. And you have just as much of a guarantee as anyone else that it'll all come out right in the end.

We've heard stories about some of the jaw dropping things people have said to mamas on this board. But did they throw in the towel? No. Adoption is having children. You find a way to deal with it, and you do the best you can. I dunno, maybe for some people the adoptees boards are going to be like the What to Expect books--going to cause needless worrying and worst-case-scenario-ing. If you think that's going to happen to you, then personally I'd recommend just leaving it alone, blowing off the people who want to be so negative (since I'll bet not one is a parent by adoption!), and continuing on your journey. If you can't, then I gently suggest that there's something else blocking your path other than fear of other people's rejection, and once you find out what it is and deal with it, you'll be on your way again.
post #32 of 152
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Originally Posted by Tigerchild
If you feel attacked by me, I'd appreciate it if you say WHAT it was that I said that made you feel attacked (I even said that not wanting adult child rejection didn't knock you out because that is EVERY mother's fear regardless of how she gets her children), instead of passively attacking ME.
PMing you now so I don't throw this thread off anymore.
post #33 of 152
I'm gonna paraphrase Miss Manners here.... when people ask you things that are none of their damn business and ask it in a way that is snide, judgemental, whatever... your best bet is often to politely refuse to engage them. 'Why from Guatamala?' "Thank you for your interest. We made the choice that was best for our family." 'Don't you know there are kids here in need?' "Yes. Thank you for your interest. We made the best choice for our family." Use a gentle smile and a soft voice, like you were talking to small child or a drunk person who isn't following you very well.

I'm sorry people are so stupid and so rude.
post #34 of 152
People don't adopt, domestically or internationally, out of charity. We do it to grow our families! The PP was right that the person (or people) who said that to you used faulty reasoning.
post #35 of 152
I am sorry Mamas that you have come across ignorance. I can't understand why people don't just shut their mouths and help celebrate your joy in the process. It is a shame.

I am an adoptee and yes, adoption adds complexity to the dynamic. Yes, there is loss. But as someone previously said, you deal with it. The mamas that post in this forum are awesome, so open minded and progressive, and growing wonderful families.

Respectfully, ND
post #36 of 152

adoption from other countries/others opinions

Hi,
I am new here and to introduce myself a little I have guardianship of a 6 year old daughter who I hope to adopt one day. She has lived with me for 18 months and she is from the U.S. Before she came into my life I considered adoption or having a baby on my own. I also considered whether I wanted to adopt locally or internationally. I would have loved to adopt an infant but with circumstances being the way they are in the U.S. I didn't feel comfortable with what I consider to be "buying" an infant. On the other hand children from other countries, often being raised in orphanages are at an extreme disadvantage to an infant/very young child in the U.S. I agree very much that basically people should mind their own business especially if they have no adopted children. I will say one thing I have an issue with is when someone is willing to adopt an older child...over the age of 3 or 4...that they wouldn't consider adopting from domestically. Most prospective adoptive parents do not want to adopt "older children" and these children are shuffled around from foster home to foster home for years. The damage done to a child by not having a consistent caregiver in the first 3 years of life is often life long.
~Rebecca
post #37 of 152

adoption..is love enough

I thought love would be enough to "cure" my daughter of her past but I now wonder if it will be. I urge anyone considering adopting a child...mainly an odler child to do alot of research on possible issues your child likely will have. This being said I love my child dearly and feel absolutely she was a gift from God.
post #38 of 152
I am an adult adoptee, I do not believe in adoption and used to belong to many anti-adoption groups online. If you would like some links to them pm me.

post #39 of 152
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Originally Posted by hopeland
I will say one thing I have an issue with is when someone is willing to adopt an older child...over the age of 3 or 4...that they wouldn't consider adopting from domestically. Most prospective adoptive parents do not want to adopt "older children" and these children are shuffled around from foster home to foster home for years. The damage done to a child by not having a consistent caregiver in the first 3 years of life is often life long.
I'm wondering how the damage done to kids by being shuffled through foster care is any more severe or more worthy of attention than the damage done to kids in other countries who are shuffled through orphanages and multiple caregivers in the same orphanage?

I worked in the foster care system for several years. My dh and I knew we did not want to adopt a baby. I knew from personal experience that I wasn't comfortable with the way the foster care system handles adoption ... especially if you are not in a fost/adopt program.

Namaste!
post #40 of 152
Once upon a time, I was strongly of the "US kids need homes too; why spend thousands of dollars to go overseas?..." attitude. So I put 5 years into researching the foster/adopt systems here, special needs and which kinds of kids I felt I could be the best Mama with. I bought a huge house and remodeled extensively for wheelchair access etc., set up a home business so I could be home with the kids, and began the licensing process. Long story short, I was eventually denied a license because I am not mainstream enough. As I jumped through each new hoop they set up, I became more puzzled by the system that begs for foster parents, then makes it well nigh impossible.

This is not really a money thing, but I invested about $75,000 in my attempt to grow my family by this plan, and I failed miserably. I could have used that money to adopt a couple kids from overseas, and today I would be facing the questions in Target with y'all. Instead, I am near bankruptcy, working outside the home full-time and not making squat, living with my Mom and the Dumplings in a tiny apartment. I love my family as it is, but I still haven't let go of the dream I had. I am sure I will try again, after I lick my wounds a little more, and settle the money problems.

But I have learned alot about different people making different choices, for reasons I may never know. Who am I (who is anyone) to critisize another's decision? My point here wasn't to debate international vs. domestic adoption. I only mean that no one knows what path lead anyone to their beliefs and decisions. The Target ladies of this world need a lesson in humility.