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post #1 of 16
10/5/05 at 6:12pm
Thread Starter 
Why is it someone asks questions about vaccinations and when you tell them what you know, they don't want to hear it? They try and tell you, you who have researched everything and they have researched nothing,that your wrong? Their facts are wrong and when you try and explain it, they turn a deaf ear. WHY??
Are they afraid of the truth? Afraid because they are vaccinating? Afraid of you somehow because you choose to not 'go along to get along'?

I believe the same thing as mentioned in another post(s) that you have to ask people questions, get them to think,ponder the points/facts, know the history,the diseases,know how your body works to keep it healthy, etc. Research with an open mind and research it throught their own eyes and not the eyes of another.
But why is it so hard for some? Is it just simply easier for them to blindly do it without question?
And why goat you into a conversation when they have nothing to back up what they say except misinformation? I don't get it!
As much as I would love to inform people, sometimes I simply feel its best to say nothing. Am I wrong to feel that way?

julie
post #2 of 16
10/5/05 at 6:18pm
People generally don't like to be told they've been taken for a ride. Whether it's about a car they bought , a vacation house that doesn't exisit or vaccinations. To be told "you made a bad decision" , which isn't what we say...but sometimes what they hear....it makes people defensive. To disrupt what propoganda they've been brainwashed with really messes with their minds.
post #3 of 16
10/5/05 at 6:31pm
If it ever comes up in conversation with people, I don't bring it up. I just say that I think it is a subject that needs to be researched by parents independent of the doctors opinion. I make it known that i've done a lot of research and that I can point a person in a few directions should they want to look into it. I've never had anyone take me up on it. Not even the person whose kid had a vax reaction to MMR, a doctor documented vax reaction.

So be it.

I'm over the urge to save other's kids, kids that I know and care about. It sucks that their parents don't want to do the resarch but it's really not my job to educate others beyond planting the seed that there are ingredients and issues with vaccines that are not quite as simple as the doctor makes it out to be.

I'm really annoyed that the concern that pregnant women have for what ever goes into their bodies goes right out the window when the baby gets here. They allow them to be shot up with vaccines, take spoonful after spoonful of Tylenol and Advil, fill them full of antibiotics ....just what ever the doctor says. It is frustrating to me.

People have lost the ability to think for themselves on a large scale about most things it seems to me. It's sad.
post #4 of 16
10/5/05 at 6:33pm
because "the benefits of vaccines FAR outweigh the risks" didn't you know that????
I've asked those people that say that to point me in the direction of their info. I say information proving vaxes are safe would definitely affect my decision to vax. I've never even gotten a response to my request. hmmm....I wonder why?

Because 1 in 20 people with hib will DIE (or whatever the stat is)!!!! (they never stop to wonder what the chance of getting hib even is- pretty low)

Really, they don't listen because they're not ready to question something that they believe to be TRUTH. "Doctors say vaxes are good- THEY would know!"

ugh
post #5 of 16
10/5/05 at 7:43pm
Thread Starter 

mhmmm

I agree with you all. I get so..annoyed is all. Why ask then ya know? Just gets to me :
I've even been on both sides so I'm neither pro nor con..just doing what feels right for my own.

julie
post #6 of 16
10/6/05 at 5:09am
It's more than annoying..it's just plain sad. I had gastric bypass about 4 years ago. I have been very successful and I'm completely healthy because I supplement with protein shakes and vitamins. When I went to the doctor to get bloodwork done, she couldn't stop staring at me. I finally got out of her that she completely was amazed at how healthy I was and that her other gastric bypass patients looked horridly unhealthy that she actually hated to say gastric bypass was even an option. When she asked me what I did to be so healthy, I explained to her all my research (and also I brought copies that I'm sure found their way to the trash) and what all I do to stay healthy and I could see it in her eyes that she didn't want to hear another word.

I gave birth to my daughter in the hospital and I had a doc stop by and say..I heard you were a gastric bypass patient and I saw how healthy your baby turned out. I'm flat amazed as most gastric bypass patients we've had here gave low birthweight babies on average. The doc didn't even bother asking me what I did to be so successful.

My point? I seriously think that people are trained that medicine will fix the effects of whatever..and if something happens and it can't be fixed by medicine, then maybe it's too bad for that person and they'll have to wait until something is developed to help the next people that have that same problem. I've seen this with my own doctors and how they have treated myself and my family. They offer NO alternatives if a medicine isn't available to prescribe...yet a simple google search could be done if they wanted to help give some natural alternatives..or god forbid refer someone to a more natural doctor to help since they can't do anything at the time. We've in essence, become not only lazy but too willing to sell ourselves short and think others have an answer that we can't reason through stuff to get. We've become sadly cultlike with the medical field. Whatever the doctor says..goes. We've never had so much education at our fingertips yet had some of the most ignorant people that are well educated by our mainstream institutions be allowed to set ignorant policy.


Sherra
post #7 of 16
10/6/05 at 5:56am
Whenever someone who is pro-vaccine asks me why, I ask them these questions:

What are your motives or reasons for asking me to elaborate?

Do you really want to know, or are you just itching to justify yourself?

Would you even give me a fair hearing?

What good could it do you, to hear a differing view point?

Play hard to get, and make sure that if they pursue you, that they do so in the right frame of mind.
post #8 of 16
10/6/05 at 9:52am
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Originally Posted by julieann199930
Why is it someone asks questions about vaccinations and when you tell them what you know, they don't want to hear it? They try and tell you, you who have researched everything and they have researched nothing,that your wrong? Their facts are wrong and when you try and explain it, they turn a deaf ear. WHY??
I haven't really found that to be the case (and I don't tend to shy away from vaccine discussions). But I'd guess some of the reason (IMO) is that when you talk about an issue that you've researched but the other person hasn't, there's an unspoken implication calling that person's decision into question. And people hate to have their parenting decisions questioned. Ultimately whether you're right or wrong isn't the point - they get defensive because they appear negligent for not researching such an obviously important issue impacting the health of their child. Better for them to think you're a kook then to delve into their own insecurities about parenting. KWIM?
post #9 of 16
10/6/05 at 10:32am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Insider
Better for them to think you're a kook then to delve into their own insecurities about parenting. KWIM?
I totally agree.
post #10 of 16
10/6/05 at 3:15pm
Thread Starter 

I agree

I know what you mean about that aspect. The person asking knows nothing..thinks smallpox was erradicated thru vaccinations and MMR had mercury in it,and that their child will never get chickenpox, the list goes on. Then you give the info. and they are too busy to read or listen to the facts. The facts with no personal opinion included. It's like HUH? Then why ask in the first place :

I agree about not trying to save the world. It won't happen and I won't be drawn into a long drawn out debate over it. I simply want to parent with what I know and let others make their own choices too.

julie
post #11 of 16
10/6/05 at 8:23pm
don't forget the old "Vaxes saved the world" claim
post #12 of 16
10/6/05 at 8:30pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara
Whenever someone who is pro-vaccine asks me why, I ask them these questions:

What are your motives or reasons for asking me to elaborate?

Do you really want to know, or are you just itching to justify yourself?

Would you even give me a fair hearing?

What good could it do you, to hear a differing view point?

Play hard to get, and make sure that if they pursue you, that they do so in the right frame of mind.
Excellent! Answer the question with a question.

Dr. Mendelsohn always used the parable about the Jews answering a question with a question.

Q. "So why do Jews always answer a question with a question?"

A. "Why not?"

It should make the questioner think.
post #13 of 16
10/7/05 at 12:02am
My neighboor began asking me questions so i gave her a very well put together article that someone posted not too long ago, She said she never finished it but wanted more info. I gave her Neustadters Vaccine Guide which i thought was very easy to understand. She told me tonight she just couldnt understand b/c it was too scientific. Well honey its not a romance novel!! Your researching something that might be VERY important in the life of your child!! Read it anyways!! She'll end up with MMR at her next appt amoung other, i know it, but hey, i tried.....
post #14 of 16
10/7/05 at 12:56am
Angela,

Maybe tell her the first two chapters are usually scientific fluff anyway in most books. I swear I think it's a requirement from book publishers. You may want to tell her the way to go about it is look up each disease which is what he has towards the end of the book...and that might be an easier approach.


Sherra
post #15 of 16
10/7/05 at 1:03am
Quote:
Originally Posted by LandonsMom
Well honey its not a romance novel!! Your researching something that might be VERY important in the life of your child!!
:LOL

I often wonder if people even read the consent form in the doctor's office or the pamphlets the doctor hands to them from the drug companies.

I am glad there are people like you here.
post #16 of 16
10/7/05 at 1:19am
I like to turn around and ask those that have vaccinated why they chose to do so and see what they say. (Then I look at them with a blank stare and say "okaaaaayyyy, whatever!" No just kidding, I don't do that.) A lot of times they don't have anything to say, because it isn't even something they themselves have thought of.. Sad but true. I wonder if they are just curious not to why I chose not to vax, but more as to why I chose to decide whether or not to (did that make sense :LOL) I think there are tons of poeple who haven't even thought of questioning the process at all. It was always something they were going to do, without a second thought.

Ya know how we get that whole "You don't vaccinate? How come?" question, well maybe it's time we turned that question around. Maybe we can make vaccinating taboo. Ah.... someday...... :
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