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post #1 of 31
Thread Starter 
I just don't know what to do anymore.
Nothing is working for me.
I don't even have the energy to tell you how bad it was this afternoon (again) and how I handled it... all I can say is that nothing is more frustrating/humiliating/discouraging/exhausting/depressing than walking four blocks on crowded city streets trying to get home as fast as you can while ds is FREAKING OUT on me and beating me up the entire way.
post #2 of 31
HANG IN THERE
post #3 of 31
Hi Mama....
My third son would do that only occasionally, and I would do what you did (minus the 4 block walk on a city street), but i would walk, as calm as I could, to the car and go straight home, with him continuing to kick and scream...it was awful.

Basically, I gave up and took him no where...I mean nothing worked. It seemed that no matter what time of day it was, he would flip out the minute I entered the store, any store! I mean, going for a gallon of milk was an emotional hell.

How is your child at home?

I figured out that my kid just couldn't deal with the onslaught of energy in walmart, safeway, Walgreen's whatever. He is now 7 and is fine. I just contributed it to sensory overload.

I have no idea if this is at all helpful, but I didn't want to read and run.
post #4 of 31
Thread Starter 
I just feel like right now
I'm so burned out by all of this
I'm burned out of being a mother
post #5 of 31

sounds like you need a drink! : Mine have done this, too, and I usually just pop them in a cart or something and let them do it, pretending I don't notice. They quit pretty quickly. I DID get some nasty looks though.
post #6 of 31
When my son was doing this i was so angry! I mean, why wasn't he like my other two kids? It was emotionally exhausting and I was so frustrated. I literally could do nothing. Everything I did was when my husband was home, or he was napping and my oldest daughter would babysit.

I really understand your frustration. I can only imagine what it would be like to have to walk 4 city blocks. I think your feelings are normal. There isn't a mother alive that hasn't been frustrated and tearful. I dont know one single mom friend that hasn't been brought to her knees by her child.

post #7 of 31
Its hard mama! I have days like that too and it really dampens my spirits.

I just keep saying, "This too shall pass! This too shall pass!" And it does.

SOmetimes little people are so hard to figure out! It can be so frustrating to know what they want from us when their actions SCREAM that they dont want us near them! My ds (will be two next month) has spells where is just wails and wails and wont let me come near him and he wont let me help him. I get so frustrated with myself and when its happening in a public place (bank, shop, street) I get panicky because I just want to get us to a safe place!

Please dont beat yourself up mama! Motherhood is THE HARDEST JOB on this green planet!!
post #8 of 31
Thread Starter 
but seriously, what do I do?
how do I teach him to not hit (etc)?
how do I diffuse the tantrum?
what do I say to him?
How do I control my anger?
post #9 of 31
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Originally Posted by UrbanPlanter
but seriously, what do I do?
how do I teach him to not hit (etc)?
how do I diffuse the tantrum?
what do I say to him?
How do I control my anger?
If you were shopping, I would leave the store, including a full cart.

I don't know of anyway that you can diffuse a tantrum. I have however, walked away from him and put myself in time out. he could flail and cream all he wants, but not with me watching him.

Sometimes I have said nothing, other times i might have said go up to your room and pitch a fit, with me carrying him up there and telling him he can come downstairs when he's done. I really believed that my child had to get this out of his system, and the only way he knew how was by pitching a fit. This does not mean I tolerate or condone his behavior, but I knew that kids have poor coping skills. It got to be that Nick would walk himself upstairs, close his door and pitch a fit! (and not worries mama, the door wasn't locked, most of the time it was open, and if it was closed it was because he slammed it)

As he got older I would explain that being angry, mad, frustrated are all normal, but we have to deal with these feelings in an appropriate manner.

I still believe that my child suffered from some sort of sensory overload. He had other issues with textures in food, the way certain clothing felt on his skin, issues with warmth and cold, and some mild eczema.

About your anger, when I would be at my breaking point I would give myself a time out. I would go to my room and shut the door, or hide in the bathroom (as long as my child was safe).
post #10 of 31
I dont have a fixed solution as what I do changes all the time depending on where we are and what is happening.

If he is hitting I hold his hands (not hard - he could move them away from me if he wanted to) and look at him and say, "Noah, please dont hit. It is sore." He cant speak very well so telling him to use words instead is pretty pointless. More often than not he can see that I am upset (sad) and he kinda goes into quiet sulk mode for a minute and then comes and gives me a hug.

Now that is when he just hitting me or his older sister. When he is in Uber Tantrum Mode..... well.... all I can do usually is just sit a few feet away from him where he can see Im available if he needs me and wait it out. But that only works when we are at home. If it happens in the shops or some place public where I cant just let him get it out of his system (he will NOT let me pick him up or move him or anything...) then that is where it gets hard for me. IF we are out then 99% of the time we have walked and he is in a stroller (baby in a sling) and I just do my best to get home in one piece asap.

I really wish I had some advice that was a cure all but I dont I know that it is extrememly hard though When I find myself getting really angry I assess the situation if its possible I walk away to another room and just regroup. I remind myself that he is as frustrated as I am and I need to remain as calm as possible so that things dont get worse. I scream into a pillow if it gets real bad. Sometimes I end up crying along with him. When he is calm I tell him I love him. I tell him I want to help him feel better when he is upset. I tell him I want him to be safe and that I want everyone else to feel safe too.

I dont know that this will work for you but I do know that whatever you do you will have to do it a million and sixty eight times before it doesn't happen anymore.

Hang in there mama!
post #11 of 31


With ds, he is not quite in the tantrum phase(16 months) but he gets SO easily frustrated. Ever since I can remember.lol He will hold out his hands, fists all balled up. And then he shakes..We call it the "hulk" impersonation. He especially does it if you don't feed him fast enough at a meal.
Don't have much advice really, and I don't think you need it. I like the holding technique myself when dd is throwing a tantrum, or hurting herself or others I just hold her and talk to her. As much as she will let me. Or, I will do as a pp said, and sit a bit away from her. And tell her matter of factly-"I don't want to sit next to you while you hurt me. i will sit next to you when you can be nice to me. We don't hurt people in this house." But it's so hard out in public.

Hoping you can all get to rest a bit this everning
post #12 of 31
Have you asked him this question? When Bonnie was going through a very serious tantrum streak about a year ago it helped a lot to talk to her about it when she was calm, a couple of hours later. I re-affirmed that in our family we don't hit people, reminded her that I don't hit her and she must not hit me. I also asked if she had any idea what might help when she felt upset like that. Did she want me to hug her? Talk to her? Be quiet. Stand two feet away from her? Balance an apple on my nose? We talked about the fact that there are limitations on what I can do for her where. If he has a tantrum and home you can put him in a safe place and let him howl it out if he needs to... but you can't do that in a subway. You can't walk away from him on a crowded street.

He's a smart and sensitive kid. Help him see your side of it and ask him what he needs when he feels crazy like that. Also, I think it helps to tell kids that feeling that way is normal... and that it's okay to feel very angry sometimes... they just have to learn acceptable ways to express that anger.
post #13 of 31
Have been through this with ds#1 when he was younger.

The hitting...I just gently, but firmly held his hands down and said "We don't hit, it hurts." And like Raven said, it took a million and eight times.

The tantrums...I mostly tried to run any errands when I thought he would be in "good shape" meaning not tired, not hungry, not overloaded or stressed. Errands were hard because I couldn't run very many at once and sometimes had to leave the store if he started to get worked up.

During a tantrum, he didn't want anything to do with me, but afterwards, he be exhausted and sometimes need to nurse or snuggle. FWIW, this will pass. He's a great kid now.

Hang in there. Do you have someone you trust to watch him for a bit, so you can get a little break? A break now and then for you can do wonders.
post #14 of 31
My three year old sometimes has tantrums. Once while we where on our morning walk He decided he wanted something I didn't have so I told him I don't have any He proceeded to throw himself on the ground and such I very calmly as calmly as I could muster told him "This is unacceptable if you continue we will not finish our walk and we will go home for your time out." I think he decided going home and time out would work for him cause he didn't stop so I headed home he saw me walk away and eventually he followed but when we got hoe he recieved two minutes in the "naughty spot" After the two minutes I explained what behavior was wrong and asked for an apology then I gave him big hugs and cuddles and told him how much I loved him. since then we have had two small outbursts each resulting in a time out. This method seems to be working well for most of DS's behavior issues and I don't feel like a big mean Mom after punishing him. The key for us was that I needed to be consistent he had to know if I do this I will be put in the naughty spot every time. giving the verbal warning fisrt tends to get his attention.

Just thought I'd share what has been working for us I don't know why they call it terrible two's when the three's are so much worse :LOL
post #15 of 31
How old is your son? Two year old meltdowns are different than 4 year old meltdowns, and those are different than 6 year old meltdowns...

Rather than walking 4 blocks with a screaming kid, I'd probably stop, maybe in a doorway if there is no other place, and take some deep breaths, and ride out the storm a bit. In most situations, getting home 20 minutes later won't be a disaster - and with young kids, I tried to plan my life so that getting home 20 minutes later wouldn't matter, so I would have time to stop and recollect.

I'd also look into what's setting him off - crowds? being hungry (little kids get hungry fast, and low-protein meltdowns are ugly)? being tired? walking too far? Once you start to see a pattern, you can plan your day in a way that decreases the liklihood that a tantrum will be triggered.

Dar
post #16 of 31
I don't think there is much you can do during the tantrum, except try to keep him and you safe.

There are two holds you can try to keep yourselves safe until he is able to be calm.

One is you sit down, and sit him in your lap, facing outwards. Place your left leg over his left thigh and your right leg over his right thigh. This way, when he kicks, he has to lift your leg, and this diffuses some of the force. Cross his arms in front of your chest, and hold his forearms, in a bear hug. Don't hold him at the joints or apply pressure to any joints (wrist, elbow, or knees). Don't pull his arms so tightly that his breathing may be restricted. Now, you just have to watch out for head butts. You can either put a pillow between his head and your chest, or lean slightly to the side, so it doesn't hurt as much.

The other type hold is lay him down, face up (never face down). Kneel over him. Put your knees on the outside of his legs. Put your calves over each of his legs and support your legs on your feet/toes. Don't rest your legs on top of his; you form a kind of bridge over his legs with your legs. Spread his arms out, and putting your weight on your fingers, lock his forearms between your fingers and your thumb. Aqain, you don't put your weight on his arms, you form a bridge with your hands.

Then basically you just wait. Words won't have much effect; he won't be able to process what you are saying. Take long, slow, deep breaths. You could sing a lullabye, or recite poetry, or tell a soothing story. When he is calm for 60 seconds, let him up. If he can't control himself again and hits, hold him again if needed.

Passersby might look at you funny and you might feel odd. People will probably ask if you need help. Responding calmly that you have it under control will help your son realize you have it under control and he is safe.

All the work in decreasing tantrums happens before and after the tantrum. Nothing is really learned by the child during the tantrum. You might try to look at what happens before, exactly. Is it always in a certain place, like a store? At the same time of day? How long since he has eaten? Does he want something that he can't have (like demanding a toy from the store)? Is it for attention? Is it to escape from the place? Is he overstimulated? It won't do any good to ask him why he is threw a fit - he probably doesn't know and will tell you something, but it won't be accurate. You have to be the detective.

Once you have an idea what might be causing the tantrums, you can set up "practice" sessions, knowing you might have to leave suddenly and having an escape plan. If its stores, you might try talking with him beforehand, explaining how you would like him to act, and get him to engage with you about proper "store" behavior. Start out by just going in the front door, staying maybe 30 seconds, and walking back out. Or whatever you think is a good idea, increasing the time spent in the store, etc. If you use praise, give lots of praise for successes, etc. If you are okay with rewards or reinforcement, you might occasionally give him something on the way home for successfully being in the store (but don't promise him something ahead of time - e.g. "If you can be calm and walk next to Mommy in the store, you can buy a toy" because then he will expect something everytime - it needs to be a surprise).

Hang in there... it will get better, even if you decide to do nothing differently. These are only suggestions.
post #17 of 31
what's to do? my dd goes through phases of tantrums and like the wise Dar said they're different at 2, 4, 6, etc. What can you really do? you can't control him, make him stop feeling those feelings. It's hardest when you're in the public eye of malevolent scrutiny. I know when I see moms in the street in this predicament I try and give them a mental "hang in there mom" vibe. Sometimes the tantrums can't be avoided. Stopping and just waiting it out is usually the least damaging. The hitting, btdt, the only way besides the constant removing the hands were consequences for hitting. For my dd it was removing things that were important to her and giving them a time out and beleive me it took a gazillion times before she had the self control and motivation to start using her words. Also some of us need to hit pillows and hop up and down to relase the anger..so redirecting is always an option. I know what it's like and it ain't pretty. Motherhood can be dern ugly sometimes. I like reading Annie Lamott's books for gut honest accounts of being a mother or reading "Brain child" magazine. I think a lot of us would not be so hard on ourselves if we were honest about what we go through raising our kids.

big hug...
post #18 of 31
I was just going to start a thread about tantrums in public, asking what you do, and how did you feel, and how many people stared.

We just had our second one in the library. My son is two, and tantrums aren't too bad, and not too physical, but they are getting tougher, and more frequent. It used to be that I could immediately diffuse his frustrations by picking him up. Those were the days. I basically stood immobilized in the library because I couldn't carry him kicking and carry my newborn in the carseat. Until the librarian who could barely carry the carseat offered to help carry baby to the car while I carried toddler, I was helpless. I usually stay calm in public during the worst, but I'm still stressed out. I don't really think there's much you can do either. I just tried to hold him and get to the car, where we could calm down. He doesn't hit me in tantrums usually, but he has a time or two while at home, and I know that can be pretty deflating pretty quickly. It just gets me so mad and even hurts my feelings, you know?

I think looking for a place, any place, where you can sit and maybe ride it out a little is helpful, if possible. My lovely library experience made me realize how important it is to nip it in the bud and head out, before it escalates. He was getting fussy and resistant to leaving, and so I put off leaving thinking I'd calm him down. But it just got worse. I should have left when he was hard to carry, before he became nearly impossible to carry. Easier said than done though, without a crystal ball.
It's hard.
post #19 of 31
i think one of the most frusterating things for me is the way that i feel in a situation like that. i can feel myself getting heated and anery and sometimes flipping out (setting a horrible examle of the behavior i want him to do)

i have delt with the hitting a lot too, and it was really hard for me. i found a lot of it had to do with his age, a lot of things they grow out of, some really bad times are just a phase they are in and in about three weeks, they'll be on to something else.

one way it was explained to me is like this, when children are learning to walk, it takes a long time, and they stumble A LOT on the way. everyday they stumble, many times. thier emotional development is the same way. they are stumbling emotionally. most of the time, in my situation, it was because they couldn't communicate their needs clearly. we need to understand and respond to thier emtional mishapps as we do thier physical falls

I agree that a lot has to do with preparation. we go to story time at the library, and for months ds would not sit down and listen to the stories, he'd run around and stuff, and we'd have to leave. finally i got the idea of talking to him before we went, and now every time in the car i ask him, do you remeber the rules at strory time? and he says, sitting quietly and listening to the stories, and he does fine. again, some months have passed, and he is a little older now too. (and sometimes et too excited and stands riht infront of the story teller!)

another thing i felt helpful is telling him "you are hitting me and i am getting anery, please stop"
if behavior persists, say very calmly " i do not like what you are doing, and i am going to count to three, and if i get to three, and you have not stopped, then you are going into time out."
if behvior perists, put in time out.
most of the time, i dont have to finish that last sentence, because he has stoped, and i can say, "thank you for listening."
i have found that giving that long explanation every time he is disobeying, instead of just saying,"one...two....three..." and then givin a time out, always gets a much better responce, always give an explanation.

then after time out i tell him it's okay to be anery, it's okay to talk about your angery feelings, and it's NOT okay to act angery (hit kick punch....) and then the usuall love and hugs. i also find it helpful to apologize when i talk/act angerly. it's great for them to see us admit our mistakes. it's good for us too.

if bad behavior really persists, then he (firsts gets a warning) then gets grounded from the tv for the rest of the day, and if really bad, no storie before bed.

remember, you love your child and you really are a wonderful mother, all mothers feel and react badly sometimes and learn from our mistakes

in God's love
sarah
post #20 of 31
when out in public i allways take them into the bathroom. it works great. there are less people, most of the time you are alone, and you can let them et it out, have a tim eout, and then jude whether to continue what you were doin or o home
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