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post #21 of 31

im so sorry!

i feel your pain!! from the time my son was about 19 months untill just about 8 months ago-right before he turned four, i couldnt take him anywhere! if i did it was useless id never get anything done- we walked out leaving more full shopping carts than i even want to mention. not only that but it was terrifiying he could wiggle free of me and take off running every chance he got! and him in a cart or stroller, hed stand up, or hit pinch and bite me as i pushed! it was a freakin nightmare!! i couldnt go anywhere unless i had the backup support of my husband. but the good news is it passed, i guess it was a faze- a very long hard one- but still, a passing faze. i frequently put myself in time outs. and prayed that id have the strength to get through it. hes great now- like a night and day difference. he can even go in very bussie areas like the mall or walmart. theres no way he could have coped with that a year ago. its tough im sorry this is happening, i know its so embarassing, but worst of all to me is the looks- or even comments from the onlookers. once when dd was about 2 she lost it in the store, so we were leaving trying to get this flaling screaming kid buckled into her carset, as if its not bad enouph, some bi**h walks up to me and says rudly "she needs a good slap in the mouth!!" anyways i hope this passes soon for you, im living proof(and so is my son) that it will all end one day- you would never know it now if you looked at him he is so well behaved, i guess some kids just have a tougher time growing up. good luck- remember lots of mommy time outs!!
post #22 of 31
Thread Starter 
Thanks Mamas

DS is 3 1/2 years old.
We were having lunch at a chinese restaurant.
I took him there directly from pickup from preschool (so, yes, now I am getting a break in the mornings) and we were dining with a close friend of his (4 years old) and her mother.

DS was probably very tired and hungry. He's getting over a cold. He's been typically eating lunch at 12:30 and napping by 1:30 all week, so it was against my better judgement to take him there. BUT he loves this little girl and sometimes the excitement of a good playdate can put off the need to sleep.

Anyway, what set him off: we have been on a food elimination diet and it has been very frustrating for both of us. At the restaurant, they have the little bowls of duck sauce and the noodle chips on every table - so, as he is eating them I realize that he is probably eating a lot of corn syrup and wheat (from soy sauce) and maybe even Red 40.

Anyway, my friend does not let her dd eat "junky food" and decided that it was time to take away the noodle crackers and duck sauce so she wouldn't ruin her appetite for healthy food. I agreed and explained to ds that since we were eating together it would be polite to respect this "no junky food" rule. Well, ds melted down when the duck sauce was taken away. I let him keep the noodle crackers bc the way he eats soup is by dipping crackers in it (rice crackers, usually) and his egg drop soup had just arrived. "But the soup is hot! I want the duck sauce!" he cries.

Against my better judgement (again) I decided to continue to respect the no duck sauce rule at the table. You know, if it was just me and him I would not have cared so much if he ate the whole bowl of sauce and noodle crackers (aside from the fact that they are probably filled with poison for his body) but I caved in to the pressure of removing them from the table.

Anyway, he was inconsolable. The main dishes arrived, but he was on the floor, screaming. I took him outside to try to calm him down, and explained that we could not stay (and would not be allowed to stay; in fact, we probably would be asked to leave) if he continued to scream and yell. I offered him a choice: we could stay and eat with his friends if he could calm down, or we could go home and nurse and take a nap. He opted to stay, and calmed down for the most part. He made his own condition: that he stand at the table instead of sit in a chair. OK.

We went back in. 10-20 seconds later, he notice the soy sauce bottle on the table. He wanted to pour it in his soup. I explained to him that that wasn't an option, and that it had wheat in it. He was relentless. I moved the bottle to another table. He started erupting again. There was no going back. I told him that we could not stay if he did not remain calm, and that if he could not calm down, I would have to ask to have our food wrapped up to go, pay the check, and then we would leave.

He did not calm down, so I did as much. He started to shriek and scream that he didn't want to go. As I was paying the bill, he bit me so hard on my arm that I now have a huge welt on it. I almost slapped him it hurt so much (I caught myself!).

I apologized to my friend and her dd, who was now sobbing bc we were leaving, and took ds out, kicking and screaming, with the horrified expressions of all the staff following us out.

He was beyond communicating with by now. It was not going to get better. From experience I knew that this could go on for 20-30 minutes more. I offered to nurse, but he couldn't hear me. At this age I can no longer calm him with nursing every time he is upset (he doesn't always want to).

So, I HAD to get him home ASAP bc it was only going to get worse. I carried him most of the way, but he is 45 lbs and very strong and was beating on me really hard. I swear one day one of his head butts will knock me out cold.

Once we got to our corner, I put him down and walked toward our building. I said I couldn't carry him if he was going to beat on me. He ran after me screaming and crying.

And, wouldn't you know it, I forgot my keys???
Luckily we have a doorman and spare keys, but I had to ask for them while ds continued with his rage.

We got upstairs, and I told him that we were going straight to bed bc he was acting like he needed a nap. He fell asleep in ten minutes, but when I tried to slip away, He woke back up and wanted to nurse the other side.

I said (and I'm not proud of this) that I was so angry about what had happened and wanted to know why I should nurse him if he was always trying to hurt me by hitting or biting etc. I said other mean things that I don't want to repeat here.

Then I told him that I was too upset to nurse right now, and that we would be having quiet time. I went to read the newspaper, and left him alone. He resisted at first, but in a little bit let me be and did his own thing for about half an hour (can you believe it!) - I guess the half nursing session helped him a little bit. After this he kissed my boo boo (the bite welt) and asked if he could nurse the other side, then when he did, fell asleep for three hours.

oy.

He's an angel when he's not freaking out on me!

ETA: we don't use the term "time out" but do encourage ds to take time for himself if he needs it to calm down. We don't "punish" but will suggest consequences, like, if he hits me with a toy, the toy will go bye bye for the rest of the day.
post #23 of 31
Oy, food reaction tantrums are the WORST. Their is nothing you can do but keep the food AWAY. FWIW corn is the allergen that causes the most behaviour problems. My corn allergic ds would ram himself into walls, doors, and cupboards when having a tantrum. He gave me more than one black eye. He just really couldn't control himself. The difference when he had something he shouldn't and when we were ultra-careful was amazing. I had to physically restrain him to prevent him from hurting me or himself. We didn't leave the house after a while, it just wasn't worth it. After we figured out that was the problem life got so much easier.

Mothering is the most difficult job for sure. Keeping yourself rational and calm in these kinds of situations can be impossible at times. All you can do is your best at the time. I really hope you get it all figured out soon.
post #24 of 31
Thread Starter 
I'm torn between being strict with the elimination diet and letting him have a little fun food once in a (rare) while.
post #25 of 31
The food thing is tough. Three and half is a tough age- and what you are going through with the food allergy tantrums is a step up from regular tantrums. Does he have any sensory issues?

My ds has sensory issues that are brought on by allergies (pet, pollen, mold and some foods in his case).

I always pack our own food. I slip up once in awhile- it's harder to fight the tantrum of not giving the food than giving it.

Could you try a really strict diet for a few weeks and see if that helps? You are a great mom. It is really hard some days.
post #26 of 31
*hugs mama*
Three is so hard. THey are so smart and so big, and yet they sometimes feel like big kids and sometimes feel l ike babies in a big kid body.
I think whether or not you need to be strict with the elimination diet depends 100% on the reason for the elimination.
If you are trying to figure out what is causing a small patch of eczema but no other symptoms, the struggle for elimiation might be harder than not knowing for sure.
But if it is the food which cauess the behavior problems, total elimination will prevent more problems than flexibility.
I agree that for a 3 year old it simply doesnt feel fair to not be allowed to have duk sauce when he is always allowed to have duk sauce but now his friend cannot. That would be hard for any aged child, especially at naptime.

I think I would handle the tantrum in very much the same way you did. Get home as quickly as possible.
And I do not think it is harmful to say. "Mommy feels very angry at being hit and I cannot (nurse, cuddle, whatever) right now" You have to be true to your feelings too. And I find that pushing those feelings deeper and deeper and martyring yourself so your child doesnt feel your anger just makes it worse.
So telling him how you felt, and then giving both of you a chance to calm down, and then reconnecting seems very appropriate to me.

Many wishes for many calm happy days in your future.
Joline
post #27 of 31
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Originally Posted by UrbanPlanter
I'm torn between being strict with the elimination diet and letting him have a little fun food once in a (rare) while.
Well, if you are already on an elimination diet, something has already told you that food is a problem. You may need to be really strict for a while, and find some "fun" food that fits the allergy criterea KWIM? There is nothing "fun" about the aftermath of eating foods that disagree with an allergic child that's for sure!!
I happen to be a highly allergic person myself, and what helps me is not to constantly think about what I can't have, I try to go out and explore and find all of the interesting things I can have and try to make it fun. ( ok, "fun" might be an exaggeration ).

Anyway, I know others have already said this, but as far as tantrums go, the best thing I could ever do was do everything in my power to avoid them happening in the first place. For instance, I wouldn't have gone on the lunch date right after pre-school- even though my son loved preschool, it was important for us to go straight home afterward- no exceptions. If I tried to push it, it always ended up in disasster. Sometimes I would be "fooled" by his cheerfullness and excitement right after school to think I could pull of a trip to the grocery store, or lunch out - always a mistake. Keeping him well fed, and well rested was the most important thing for the happiness of our family. His tantrums could hold our whole family hostage for an afternoon if I didn't manage the environment correctly. (He also has food allergies by the way).
I still even now (he's 7) have to be somewhat careful. You'd think by now I would know better- but I still forget.. like yesterday he came home from school (on the bus, which is really really rare, I work at his school and was out yesterday- so there's one overstimulation there) right after they got home, I had to load them in the car to drive them to their Dads house. He decided to go get his bike and scooter to take- threw a FIT because I wasn't helping him ( he never even asked, but he was "looking" for something to be upset about) THEN he started SCREEEEEAAAMING at his sister because she was "staring at him" (well, yeah, you're yelling at everyone for no reason!), I'm sitting there thinking to myself- jeez what is his deal? He gets in the car, starts arguing with his big sister, while intermittantly arguing with me about not helping him with the bike and scooter Next thing I know- Poof! He's out like a light. The poor thing was exhausted. And all I could think to myself was "DUH!"
Anyway...the point in that whole ramble, was supposed to be that some kids just really have a low threshold for stimulation. That coulpled with food issues makes it an extra challenge. It is a drag, but if you sort of run your life around it, it makes it a lot more manageable. Yeah, you miss playdates, and maybe don't get as many errands done as you'd like etc... but to me it was worth it.
post #28 of 31
This article really helped me deal with tantrums SO much better!

http://www.mothering.com/articles/gr.../tantrums.html
post #29 of 31
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Originally Posted by sweetbaby3
I figured out that my kid just couldn't deal with the onslaught of energy in walmart, safeway, Walgreen's whatever.
I can relate to that!
post #30 of 31
That's a neat article. I hadn't thought of looking at tantrums that way before. I always felt that tantrums had a manipulative component to them, but after reading the article I think I was wrong.

Jemper, have you been using this technique, and if so, how has it changed tantrums (if it has)?
post #31 of 31
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