Sodium Ascorbate - Page 7

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Translation:

That is incorrect. The physiology of ester c is that for you to get to bowel tolerance you will have to take twice as much, and the mechanics of that is that the calcium is sheared off of the ascorbate, but for the ascorbate to be absorbed the body utilises localised sodium from any source nearby, to split the ascorbate into two molecules, one which the body uses, and the other which is excreted. BUT, before the ascorbate is utilised, the body uses some of it to chelate out the calcium, which when free in the body is dangerous to the body.

Far from being absorbed slower, the reason you need MORE Ester C to get to bowel tolerance is that the body has to divert some ascorbate to get the calcium out, so less is able to be used by the body.

I'll try, but it might make it worse.

Ascorbate is split in two by sodium.

One part is excreted, one used.

If you use calcium ascorbate, the calcium shears off.

The ascorbate picks up sodium to split so it can be used.

But because calcium shouldn't be there in the free form, some ascorbate is used to take the calcium out the body.

This leaves you with about half the amount of ascorbate you put in originally.

If you used sodium ascorbate your body could use all of the ascorbate.

So by using calcium ascorbate, in order to get as much as you would need by using sodium ascorbate, you have to take twice as much.

Does that make sense, or is it mud?

[sunshinestarr]

I think I'm starting to pick up what you're putting down, MT.
Thanks!

[guestmama9911]

Originally Posted by alisaterry

If I take all this myself, it will get to my cutie patootie through my breast milk, correct? He's only 3 months old.

Can anyone answer this for me? I would like to be certain DS is getting enough vit C and vit A but he's just a little guy. Will he get enough from me or should I actually get him some liuquid vitamins to take?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Whether he gets enough from you, depends on whether you take enough for yourself in terms of daily needs, and there is a bit left over for him.

You can tell over time, by how easily they teethe and how many infections they get. But vitamin C isn't something that works just on its own. That's why the nutrition thread. It has to be in context of the whole...

Originally Posted by dallaschildren

Besides affecting stomach acidity and to provide the sodium ion, is there any other reason why ascorbate acid is not recommended? And why is stomach acidity so important (other than it breaks down our food)...to prevent ulcers, etc? If my children seem to be tolerating the ascorbic acid I give them daily, should I still switch to sodium ascorbate? For example, my oldest son (almost 6 yo and 67 pounds), receives approx. 3,000 mgs. of C daily when healthy and we up it when he is sick to about 6,500 to bowel tolerance. He takes a host of other supplements and eats 95% organic......am I killing his stomach? If he doesn't seem bothered by it is it because the damage hasn't been done yet (as in I would be seeing physical symptoms to gauge from), or because he likely is receiving the balance he needs of baking soda/sodium ion in his diet? I believe you said equal ratios. 1 part ascorbic acid to 1 part sodium bicarbonate? I believe he receives his sodium ion needs via iodine and calcium citrate. Is there a balance (ratio) equation for sodium ions in relation to the appropriate doses of ascorbic acid, and bicarbonate?

Can you explain to me how he gets his sodium from iodine and calcium citrate?

Anyone can take ascorbic acid provided their system is alkaline and they get enough sodium in their diet.

Whether you get salt with iodine, depends on whether you use iodised salt, which I don't, because I rely on iodine in foods. Theoretically, if a person is getting enough salt with a bit to spare, they will have enough for the ascorbate to rob, to use to split into two parts.

But if like me, you don't normally salt your diet, then you'd have to eat high salt foods, to allow for the ascorbate.

The beauty to me of sodium ascorbate is that you don't have to think about it.

It goes into your body, and there are no other biochemical processed diverted or interfered with, because the ascorbate has what it needs with it, to do the job right there on the spot.

It is to me, biochemically more efficient to use it that way.

[guestmama9911]

Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara

Whether he gets enough from you, depends on whether you take enough for yourself in terms of daily needs, and there is a bit left over for him.

You can tell over time, by how easily they teethe and how many infections they get. But vitamin C isn't something that works just on its own. That's why the nutrition thread. It has to be in context of the whole...

Thank you, MT

I'll be digesting the Nutrition Thread later.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

alisaterry, all I do is take info from one pile and shove it to another; call me the unholy shovel if you like, but quit the bowing, okay?

Any iriot can shovel stuff.

[guestmama9911]

OK. You are an Unholy Shovel. Let's turn THAT into a smilie!

[Mountain Chick]

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After reading all the labels at my hfs for bioflavinoids, I regret to inform you that I didn't find what I was looking for. And never found it in powder form anywhere...not even online!

Sorry ladies.

[heket]

Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara

Anyone can take ascorbic acid provided their system is alkaline and they get enough sodium in their diet.

Whether you get salt with iodine, depends on whether you use iodised salt, which I don't, because I rely on iodine in foods. Theoretically, if a person is getting enough salt with a bit to spare, they will have enough for the ascorbate to rob, to use to split into two parts.

I think these last few posts have cleared up an immense amount for me! This maybe a nutrition thread question, but is there some way of checking for the alkaline in your system? We use salt (in moderation), so I'm beginning to think that we're ok on that aspect. I've been wanting to improve our alkaline intake, but I'm not sure how I know what my system is like let alone improve upon it.

And while anyone can shovel stuff, not everyone is willing or able to do it. Hence all the bowing smilies (which are very well deserved. ) Thank you for enlightening and inspiring me to learn more.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Originally Posted by Mountain Chick

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After reading all the labels at my hfs for bioflavinoids, I regret to inform you that I didn't find what I was looking for. And never found it in powder form anywhere...not even online!

Sorry ladies.

Can someone else help out here in USA? If I, from a banana republic backwater hanging off the bottom of the earth have always been able to get powdered bioflavinoids, it would be amazing to me to find that in the whole of USA, no-one makes it...

[MyLittleWonders]

I can't help - I ended up ordering online from www.iherb.com and could only find them in tablet form. So, each morning I grind them up between two spoons (I need one of those pill grinder things ... the clay cup thing and the thing you hold in your hand - what in the world is that called?) and add to my smoothie.

[chlobo]

http://www.koshervitamins.com/shop/s...sp?Item_ID=437

http://www.lef.org/newshop/items/item00138.html


eta (found the link): http://www.swansonvitamins.com/webap...r=1&Ntk=Level1

[momto l&a]

Behold the power of google

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...powder&spell=1

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Mountain Chick

After reading all the labels at my hfs for bioflavinoids, I regret to inform you that I didn't find what I was looking for. And never found it in powder form anywhere...not even online!

It's spelled "bioflavonoids" maybe that is why you are having trouble.

http://store.yahoo.com/iherb/bioflavonoid.html
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/e...jsp?id=CL-1935
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/e...jsp?id=BB-1344
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/e...jsp?id=NT-1043
http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/e...jsp?id=NT-1041

I know Solgar, TwinLab and Country Life makes them too, which should be in well stocked hf stores.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders

(I need one of those pill grinder things ... the clay cup thing and the thing you hold in your hand - what in the world is that called?) and add to my smoothie.

mortar and pestle?

Iherb also has the NOW brand in caps that you can just open, I like that store, fast shipping.

[Threefold]

Okay, so the best I've been able to find and get my family to take daily is the TRader Joes "Chewable Oranges and C", which I've always assumed to be the same as the Natural; Factors. It has 500mg ascorbic acid and sodium ascorbate, though it doesn't break down how much of each and 25 mg bioflavonoid complex (also doesn't give details). Are these ratios correct? Is this an acceptable supplement. If not, and I get the powdered bioflavonoids, what is the ratio of the bioflavonoids:sodium ascorbate ?
Thanks!

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Normally its 1 part bioflavonoids, to 5 sodium ascorbate.

[patty_g]

Ok, so I recently received my order from the US - 3 lbs of SA and a bottle of bioflavonoids in capsule form. The problem I have now, is that the bioflavonoids taste EXACTLY like a really sour grapefruit and no one will take it. This from kids who were taking mint-flavored fish oil by the spoonful. I have tried putting it in juice, yogurt, with honey. So far, no go. I am open to suggestions. Please!

[Mountain Chick]

Just to clarify, orginally I said my hfs had Bioflavonoids for sale...but when I went back and actually read the labels, they all included Vitamin C. I don't want Vit. C with them because I am planning on adding my SA to it.

Actually I just wanted Bioflavonoid powder, not tablets, and not capsules, so a big thank you to chlobo for posting this link http://www.koshervitamins.com/shop/s...sp?Item_ID=437

I used google when I was looking (and spelled it correctly ) and found these two also, but I would need to buy both (can you say expensive!) and mix them to get the complete complex: http://www.iherb.com/rutin.html & http://www.iherb.com/hesperidin.html All the rest are pills and have vitamin C or other things mixed in them. If you take a good look at the google link provided by momto l&a you'll see what I mean.

I just want my little plastic baggie of white powder!

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Patty, if they can swallow capsules, just give it to them that way. If not, whack it up in a fruit smoothie?