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Kellybelly - I made this post before about the chemistry of mixing sodium bicarb and ascorbic acid. One thing I didn't note was that in order to get the reaction to occur, it needs to be done in a solvent (water), but then it is necessarily diluted and needs to be dried, which is probably beyond what most of us can achieve at home. I guess when you m ix them dry, the reaction theoretically occurs in your belly, but with the pH being so low there, I amnot sure how it would proceed or if it would. Hmm, I should look into this further.

This is the run down on the correct ratios from the chemical standpoint though.

The ratio is one to one, but you must do it based upon molecular weight, as it is a molar ratio you are attempting to achieve.

Thus, you would use one mole of ascorbic acid to one mole of sodium bicarbonate.

Molecular weight NaHCO3 (sodium bicarb) = 84. g/mol
Molecular weight C6H8O6 (ascorbic acid) = 176.13 g/mol

To make one mole of sodium ascorbate, you would use 84 grams of sodium bicarb and 176 grams of the acid, for a total of 260.13 grams. The reaction yields 1 mole of sodium ascorbate, one mole of water (18 grams), and one mole of carbon dioxide (44 grams), so your total sodium ascorbate would be 198.13 grams.

So, if you were trying to make, say, a 100 gram solution, you would use approximately 32.3 grams sodium bicarb and 67.7 grams of ascorbic acid. (which is close to the 2:1 ratio mentioned by PP) The densities of the two components differs significantly enough that using simply a dry measuring system (instead of weights) would yield an inexact ratio unless you did the proper calculations and made corrections for that difference
Wow Swirly, you're making my head : Cool info.
What a awesome thread!

Now, that I've read the whole thing~ I have a few questions.

The ratio is 1:5, for adults AND children, correct?

Also, is the Herpasin (sp?) the same as the bioflavnoids (sp?) ?

MT~ If you're still reading this thread, I know I read somewhere that you take magnesium for a flipping heart, do you have another thread/link you can point me to for it? I'm having that problem alot lately.
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 Originally Posted by JodiM I know I read somewhere that you take magnesium for a flipping heart, do you have another thread/link you can point me to for it? I'm having that problem alot lately.
I don't have a link, but I do know about taking mag for heart palps. I went to many doctors, including a cardiologist, took mulitiple tests, and they couldn't find anything wrong with my heart. Then I read here on MDC about taking mag supplements for palpitations. Sure enough, that was the problem (so much for medical wisdom). My heart jumps began shortly after giving birth, and it's obvious to me now that I'm losing too much mag through bfing, so I take about 800-900 mg a day. If I need more, my heart will tell me and I pop one. I tried many kinds of mag, but I've found that the cheaper mag oxide works just fine. Be careful with mag citrate--it's a serious laxative! Find your opti-dose in the same way as with SA, until you reach bowel tolerance. There's a great book that'll tell you more: The Miracle of Magnesium by Carolyn Dean.

Good luck!
O.K. Iv'e read that some babies get a reaction from SA in the diaper area....my question is,...is it possible for a child to be allergic to SA? like break out in hives??and if yes could this occur after taking it for some time or would it be immediate???ds broke out in hives today and itcould be from many different things , but I am hoping to rule SA out first , Ihave given him SA before and he had no reaction but today he broke out in hives about 1/2hour after drinking some SA.
Swirly, I don't need to be precise. A 2 to one ratio would be all I need to know.

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 Originally Posted by JodiM What a awesome thread! Now, that I've read the whole thing~ I have a few questions. The ratio is 1:5, for adults AND children, correct? Also, is the Herpasin (sp?) the same as the bioflavnoids (sp?) ?
I don't know. I just use citrus bioflavinoids.

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 MT~ If you're still reading this thread, I know I read somewhere that you take magnesium for a flipping heart, do you have another thread/link you can point me to for it? I'm having that problem alot lately.
I think you may find something on that in the nutrition thread up the top. The book mentioned is great. But a google search will find you a lot of information.

My husband has also commented that he is finding it a lot easier to get through a lot of physical work having been on magnesium for some time now. Far less cramp and "stiffness" in the morning as well.
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 Originally Posted by mombh O.K. Iv'e read that some babies get a reaction from SA in the diaper area....my question is,...is it possible for a child to be allergic to SA? like break out in hives??and if yes could this occur after taking it for some time or would it be immediate???ds broke out in hives today and itcould be from many different things , but I am hoping to rule SA out first , Ihave given him SA before and he had no reaction but today he broke out in hives about 1/2hour after drinking some SA.
short answer.... who knows? Most people go through life being able to take antibiotics, but they will kill me.

The only way to find out, if you can't pin it to anything else, is to leave it a while, and try a small dose some time in the future if you wish to.

My son's girlfriend had an anaphylactic response while eating cereal one morning, which resulted in me having to take her to the local doctor and an ambulance trip to hospital. No-one could pin it down, she was assigned an epi-pen and for weeks wouldn't touch cereal. Eventually she tried it again, and was fine. The only other clue was that on the jacket she was wearing at breakfast, I found a substantial quantity of yellow pollen (she worked in a flower shop).

question, ~ what caused her anaphylaxis?

She's never had another attack since.
the reaction could be to corn, some SA formulas have a corn derived formula, a few pages back was a link for a non corn non GMO SA
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 Originally Posted by romans_mum the reaction could be to corn, some SA formulas have a corn derived formula, a few pages back was a link for a non corn non GMO SA
Oh yikes! I missed that. I just ordered some and I have no idea what it's from.
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 Originally Posted by Pookietooth Are you using non-corn, non-GMO SA? If it doesn't say so, it's probably corn-derived, and GMO. Some people have problems with corn-based products, and would have a problem with SA because of that. Nutribiotic makes one that is corn-free and non-GMO.
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 Originally Posted by chevy974 I have been using SA for a good while now but when I use it on my youngest who is 5 she always gets irritated in her private region. it will burn when she pees and her skin get real red. Have any of you had this problem at all. thanks amy
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 Originally Posted by Pookietooth romans mum, here's the link for nutribiotic: http://www.nutribiotic.com/ (they make GSE too). I think it's the ascorbic acid that is corn derived. It's one of those allergy things they don't always tell you.

heres the posts about the corn derived SA and a link to the other type
Thank you!
It looks like the bronson ones are half Ascorbic acid and half sodium ascorbate. Is that okay?
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 Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara short answer.... who knows? Most people go through life being able to take antibiotics, but they will kill me. The only way to find out, if you can't pin it to anything else, is to leave it a while, and try a small dose some time in the future if you wish to. My son's girlfriend had an anaphylactic response while eating cereal one morning, which resulted in me having to take her to the local doctor and an ambulance trip to hospital. No-one could pin it down, she was assigned an epi-pen and for weeks wouldn't touch cereal. Eventually she tried it again, and was fine. The only other clue was that on the jacket she was wearing at breakfast, I found a substantial quantity of yellow pollen (she worked in a flower shop). question, ~ what caused her anaphylaxis? She's never had another attack since.

thanks!! Igave him some again today ...and all is fine, so it was probably something else
Is it OK to take Vit. C and Bioflavonoids while pregnant? If so, how much is OK? I imagine Vit C during pregnancy would be OK, but just checking on the bioflavonoids.

Thanks
Interesting article about SA and SIDS. http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorba...v8-n4-p229.htm
i have a friend who is a registered dietician, and I asked her about Vit C megadosing. She said that above 90 mg, you just pee it out. When I asked her, "What about when people find a variable bowel tolerance of anywhere from 6-40 g/day depending on stressors, and the (seems to me) super fast half-life of Vit C of 30 mins? And isn't Vit C super critical in fighting infection in some way?" she responded, "I'm just not comfortable with Vit C megadosing. Regardless of whether the bowels can tolerate it or not. You'd be far, far better off with a plant-based diet, running over with dark, leafy greens and orange veggies. Your body will absorb what it needs and you won't be peeing out the supplements you swallow. "

Is she just uninformed? What resources can I look to for info to discuss further with her?
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 Originally Posted by shalymar Is she just uninformed? What resources can I look to for info to discuss further with her?
That's a good question. I wonder if she is someone that would take any resources, that are not provided to her via her healthcare facility, seriously. KWIM? I know people who have been told some pretty sad things by dieticians.
I don't know. :\ I've always considered my circle of friends as people who think outside the box, but I'm starting to feel like I'm the wackiest one by far! Maybe some resources that would be considred reliable by establishment types?
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 Originally Posted by shalymar i have a friend who is a registered dietician, and I asked her about Vit C megadosing. She said that above 90 mg, you just pee it out.
Has she tested it out? Pretty simple really. You use C-stix, which picks up urinary spill over when the body has enough.

90 mg Yeah, she's ignorant all right. On a good day, with no stress I get urinary spill over at 5 grams.

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 When I asked her, "What about when people find a variable bowel tolerance of anywhere from 6-40 g/day depending on stressors, and the (seems to me) super fast half-life of Vit C of 30 mins? And isn't Vit C super critical in fighting infection in some way?" she responded, "I'm just not comfortable with Vit C megadosing. Regardless of whether the bowels can tolerate it or not. You'd be far, far better off with a plant-based diet, running over with dark, leafy greens and orange veggies. Your body will absorb what it needs and you won't be peeing out the supplements you swallow. " Is she just uninformed? What resources can I look to for info to discuss further with her?
Are there not book titles on this thread? I must check. If I've forgotten to put them here, that's very remiss of me.

There wouldn't however, be any point in discussing any books with her, until she had read them herself. Even then she probably would deny their value to defend her uninformed beliefs.

If and when she gets her head around the chemistry and biochemical principles of why we need more than 90mg Vit C a day, then she might be worth discussing it with, but by the same token, if you have read all the books there are on vitamin C by then, you won't need to discuss the issue with anyone.
While I check here's a suggestion.

Go to either Amazon.com. or abebooks.com and put Vitamin C in the subject field, and at Amazon.com click on books. Press go, see what comes up and read the reviews.

Dr Levy's two books are the most recent place to start though...
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