Sodium Ascorbate - Page 5

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Originally Posted by Jewish Mom

so if I got it correctly, for healthy child 50mg/kg and for healthy adult 100mg/kg??

About that, but again, it depends on the immune system

how much can be taken at once? how long must we wait between each dose?

I guess. And I'm the world's worst pill taker, so they get taken when I walk past and happen to remember... and if I don't, then I take a bolus dose at night....

how to know if we're getting enuf vit. and minerals?

Vitamin C, I know by how I feel... minerals is a bit harder, but because the index symptom for me with magnesium deficiency was the "interjection" of ectopic heart beats and irregular beats with flutters, and they have now gone,... that's how I know I've got enough magnesium. And it requires 1,400 mgs for me, to keep the heart stable.

where do we find these.. how best to do this pracitcallly?

I don't know. I don't live in the USA. Ideally, if commercial vegetable and fruit growers did their "job" properly we shouldn't need to do this at all

The other way is to grow some of your own, majoring on good organic compost (by that I mean, not putting sprayed stuff in your compost heap...) and using rock dust which puts back a lot of the minerals. Just make sure the soil isn't too acid, or the minerals won't be absorbed.

That's another thing. If you body is acid, its harder to absorb minerals... and that is also where magnesium comes in.... or dolomite... if you have enough of that, your body won't be so acid, and you will absorb minerals better...

in an earlier post MT wrote the following:

<<<<<Now, lets look at Vitamin C itself. For me, Vitamin C does not work very well, alone. I need to take other vitamins with it. I have to take Vitamin A. (By the way, vitamin C is very useful to help clear symptoms of vitamin A toxicity is someone has been stupid enough to overdose)I also need magnesium, and zinc. Vitamin F is made more effective when plenty of vitamin C is taken. Pantothenic Acid is more effective with Vitamin C. So is B15, para-aminobenzoic Acid, B6, B2, B1,Vitamin E, Calcium.>>>>>

Vitamin F - Essential Fatty acids. http://www.anyvitamins.com/vitamin-f...acids-info.htm

some other phrases too... can we get a '101' for this paragraph

I think... it would be best if those who want a 101 looked at buying a book showing vitamin and mineral interactions, or did a google search on it which will save me writing a book but seriously, its something everyone should bone up on, because infectious diseases are very much affected by minerals and vitamins, and if your child is constantly sick, its an issue any parent needs to get to grips with.

on another note: I have been giving the C to my kids in hot water w/ honey... is it terrible to do this in plastic cup??

Well, I would get it into them any way possible. I'd rather you used a plastic cup than kiddo decided to bite the side out of glass.

in explaining something we should all learn in highschool!!

Yeah, well they wouldn't do something as sensible as that now would they? They after all support maximum business and income expansion for sectors most useful to Wall Street. If they educated you there, then the pharmaceuticals and doctors would have to earn a real living wouldn't they? And just think what would happen to people's share portfolios?

[Jewish Mom]

i hope i'm not 'going to get it' for asking again... before doing my own research.. thank G-d my kids are usually healthy... only one ended up w/ mumps... (should I have tried harder to spread it around??... usually only one or two colds a winter (hope I didn't ttf!!)

can we do an abridged definition session.. fatty acids, vit f , i understand this is found in fish oil, flax seedm oil? can you give examples of the b's (15, 6, 1, 2) ..and those acids (panto... and para.. ) i'm really stuck on those.. are there other more simple terms for these..? one more before i go, how do we know if our bodies are 'acidy'?? I WILL READ UP... so if you're fed up w/ me... i totally understand if your patience is spent!

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Here you go....

http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/foodsourforv.html

[Jewish Mom]

never enough thanks!!

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

[MyLittleWonders]

I was just going to bump this - I've been reading it this morning and it's full of great information!

Okay, one question and sorry if it was already addressed somewhere and I missed it inbetween reading and tending my boys.

What is "ascorbate acid" if the label doesn't specify? Personally I take usually 2000mg of sodium ascorbate with rose hips each night (pill form) but also have some vit c powder that I put in smoothies for the boys and I (I have found I can tolerate 4000mg a day at least), but the label only says "ascorbate acid". I'm calling around town today to see if anyone carries sodium ascorbate, and if not, I'm breaking down and ordering it online.

Thanks! This forum rocks! (And MT, you never fail to amaze me with the amount of information you know and have taught yourself - I hope to have that much information in my head eventually.)

[mavery]

Just another thanks for this info. I'm being forced to shift into high "clean up my diet" gear right now, so this is very helpful.

[chlobo]

Any suggestions on how to get the vit c into a 2 year old? She doesn't eat a lot of soft foods I can mix it with.

[Mountain Chick]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Momtezuma Tuatara for all the awesome info. It's exactly what I needed to know right now!

A million thank yous...my thank yous, thank you.

[Kundalini-Mama]

Originally Posted by chlobo

Any suggestions on how to get the vit c into a 2 year old? She doesn't eat a lot of soft foods I can mix it with.

In Oj or lemonade.

[Devaskyla]

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[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders

What is "ascorbate acid" if the label doesn't specify? Personally I take usually 2000mg of sodium ascorbate with rose hips each night (pill form) but also have some vit c powder that I put in smoothies for the boys and I (I have found I can tolerate 4000mg a day at least), but the label only says "ascorbate acid". I'm calling around town today to see if anyone carries sodium ascorbate, and if not, I'm breaking down and ordering it online.

I've never seen one with ascorbate acid. Here its always ascorbic acid.

You can make it sodium ascorbate by mixing equal quantities with sodium bicarbonate. I just think that mix tastes gross.

Thanks! This forum rocks! (And MT, you never fail to amaze me with the amount of information you know and have taught yourself - I hope to have that much information in my head eventually.)

Well, when you get old, grey and saggy like me, you will know much more than I do now, becuase I only got the internet six years (minus four months) ago. You young things should be able to learn and apply at the speed of greased lightening, instead of having to look at various keyboard thingies and think "Now, what does that one do?"

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Originally Posted by chlobo

Any suggestions on how to get the vit c into a 2 year old? She doesn't eat a lot of soft foods I can mix it with.

Some little tough nuts won't take sodium ascorbate any other way than dry, straight off a spoon :

[momto l&a]

Originally Posted by chlobo

Any suggestions on how to get the vit c into a 2 year old? She doesn't eat a lot of soft foods I can mix it with.

My kids love it in Tang or Lemonaide. Its the only thing we use Tang for.

[momto l&a]

Originally Posted by momto l&a

My kids love it in Tang or Lemonaide. Its the only thing we use Tang for.

Edited to add that now my 3.5 yo and 6yo can swallow so I just stuff capsules for them. The capsuels hold about 1 gram

[Kundalini-Mama]

Originally Posted by momto l&a

Edited to add that now my 3.5 yo and 6yo can swallow so I just stuff capsules for them. The capsuels hold about 1 gram

How did you teach your lil' one to swallow?? I would love for my 4 yr old to learn, and then he wouldn't have to take his probiotics in powder form :Puke

Originally Posted by MT

Some little tough nuts won't take sodium ascorbate any other way than dry, straight off a spoon

Actually, that is how my 14m old takes his. I lick a finger, stick it in the powder and then put it in the inside of his cheek, tryingto bypass the tongue (which is hard when he is trying to lick my finger). I always have some bottled water available and as soon as I get it in him (if I hold him upside down his mouth opens automatically), he gets a swig of water.

[guestmama9911]

This is so useful. I've looked at the general health and wellness threads and it seems that most mamas there don't know as much as the nutrition goddesses that prowl around this forum.

[MyLittleWonders]

Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara

I've never seen one with ascorbate acid. Here its always ascorbic acid.

You are right - my fingers mistyped.

ETA: So the benefit of taking sodium ascorbate or mixing baking soda with ascorbic acid is to protect the stomach? Do I have that right? I mix it typically in smoothies (except for the pill form I take ... I'm not hip on swigging down a couple teaspoons of sodium bicarb with those), so I'm thinking it won't make much of a difference taste wise. But other than the stomach, why does it need to be done?

[Nickarolaberry]

Okay, now I gotta admit, I'm overwhelmed by trying to keep track of what all I and my kids need to be taking, in what form, how much of it, and where to get it.

I am ordering the Sodium Ascorbate powder from NOW and I can add that to my kids' and my juice. 50 mgs. per kilogram bodyweight in a child, and 100 mgs. per kilogram bodyweight in an adult, right?

Now, I need a multi. I need one that's kosher or vegan.

I think my kids probably need a multi, at least while I'm upgrading their diet. They're sort of resistant to change. The one they take now is the one the pedi prescribed and it has fluoride in it, which I've recently been given to understand is NOT a good idea. Bear with me here, I'm just starting with all this.

I take Acidophilus. This is a probiotic, right? I take 3 a day or so, in capsule form. Should I be giving this to my kids? What about to my nursing baby? Noone here is or has been on antibiotics recently.

Something else I"m missing? Other than making our diets better :. We're working on it...

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders

You are right - my fingers mistyped.

ETA: So the benefit of taking sodium ascorbate or mixing baking soda with ascorbic acid is to protect the stomach? Do I have that right? I mix it typically in smoothies (except for the pill form I take ... I'm not hip on swigging down a couple teaspoons of sodium bicarb with those), so I'm thinking it won't make much of a difference taste wise. But other than the stomach, why does it need to be done?

Youre half way there. Yes, its to reduce the acidity, but it also is to provide the sodium ion.

Since I hope this will go in the archives, and thugh I've put this here before I'll put it again, since it does bear repeating...

MT - I am in shock. Everyone in the health food store tells me that ester C is the best vit C because your body absorbes it slower so your body will take more vitamin c etc, etc....

That is incorrect. The physiology of ester c is that for you to get to bowel tolerance you will have to take twice as much, and the mechanics of that is that the calcium is sheared off of the ascorbate, but for the ascorbate to be absorbed the body utilises localised sodium from any source nearby, to split the ascorbate into two molecules, one which the body uses, and the other which is excreted. BUT, before the ascorbate is utilised, the body uses some of it to chelate out the calcium, which when free in the body is dangerous to the body.

Far from being absorbed slower, the reason you need MORE Ester C to get to bowel tolerance is that the body has to divert some ascorbate to get the calcium out, so less is able to be used by the body.

Furthermore, by dragging out sodium of the body to do the job it needs to do, if a person isn't eating salt hand over fist, you can become sodium deficient, which totally bombs the immune system. I know, because because of a mistake I made, I took Ester-C in high doses for 9 months, and my whole immune system crashed. I ended up having to salt my food for about three weeks. Urgh...

I am glad that you mention about it. I have to really look into it becasue I am totally wrong
So what is the best vitamin C to take?

Sodium Ascorbate...

I do like to take a lot of vit c

You said:
Never use Ester C, or calcium ascorbate, except, or unless there is NOTHING ELSE around, and do NOT use it long term. If you MUST use it, you will require about double what you'd need with sodium ascorbate, and if you don't salt your food, then you must if you use Ester C. But remember, if there is any possibility that cancer is an issue... excess calcium in the body makes cancer cells go rampant.

That's not the only reason to not use it though...

you can use ascorbic acid and bicarb, but I'm reluctant to do that, because it can mess with the stomach acidity. IMO its just better to get sodium ascorbate. Again, if you've got nothing else, then AA + sodium bicarb is better than a kick in the rump.