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Poll Results: Disney influence: Okay or Not Okay??

 
  • 15% (55)
    No way, no how! We despise Disney! There are absolutely no visions of Disney dancing around in my child's head nor home!
  • 30% (105)
    We don't have any videos but the occasional Disney is OK as long as it doesn't have any influence on my child.
  • 22% (77)
    I allow Disney in my home, and my child is influenced, but I personally think all children would be better-off without Disney.
  • 29% (100)
    We have plenty of Disney videos and/or items and my child loves Disney. I see no harm in it, I don't think it's a big deal.
  • 2% (7)
    We strive to have every Disney video ever created!! My child is a Disney fanatic!! Disney is good for the child!!
344 Total Votes  
post #101 of 142
Honestly, I am not a huge fan of any type of commercialism. However, I wouldn't be horribly upset if Nicholas watched The Lion King or something one day. I think that adults tend to read more into the movies than children do. We forget that we have had more experiences that color our perception of things than they have.


Gotta go, crying baby!
post #102 of 142
Perhaps a Disney movie or two in the big picture has little effect on a given child but Disney's influence extends far beyond the movies they may or may not see. Disney is a media giant. It sells through many media in a big way. It owns a book company, has TV shows, amusement parks, stores, cable interests, music interests. All that and more I'd guess.

Even if a given child was sheltered from all of Disney's many media, it still has a powerful influence. Peers. Classmates and friends are being influenced and in turn can influence children with the smallest exposure to Disney.

I'd recommend a viewing of "The Merchants of Cool." A chilling PBS documentary on how the media controls, even owns, teen culture. You can read it or view the program at: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/. A quote from the show: "Today five enormous companies are responsible for selling nearly all of youth culture. These are the true merchants of cool: Rupert Murdoch's Newscorp, Disney, Viacom, Universal Vivendi, and AOL/Time Warner.....They look at the teen market as part of this massive empire that they're colonizing. You should look at it like the British empire or the French empire in the 19th century. Teens are like Africa. You know, that's this range that they're going to take over, and their weaponry are films, music, books, CDs, Internet access, clothing, amusement parks, sports teams. That's all this weaponry they have to make money off of this market."

"And as parents and the home lose some of their hold on the imagination, senses and emotions, children naturally turn elsewhere for spiritual and psychic sustenance. The find it in the media and its indomitable infantry, the peer group."
~ Kay S Hymowitz, Ready or Not
post #103 of 142
Thanks for posting Cumulus. I'd love to see that Frontline show someday.
post #104 of 142
I just got back from Walt Disney World and we had a BLAST. Yep thats me, indoctrinating my kids with all things Disney. LOL

I just want to say that this is my second time there this year and I am EB my son. I breastfed everywhere. I only offended two people who I frankly thought their smoking in a non-smoking area near children was far worse than a baby nursing in the middle of Adventureland. I always run into AP mommas at the park who are instantly welcoming and understanding when I am nursing on Pirates or Snow White.

I have lots of happy memories with my children at Disney, and my son with behavioral problems Always shines there. For what its worth, you can eat well, get lots of exercise, and have a wonderful time at the World and do it without getting wrapped up in all the commercialism.
post #105 of 142
My now 7 y/o can not watch certain Disney movies due to the violent content as in "The Lion King" and many of the "princess" movies. She does enjoy "The Aristocats", and I wish they made more like that. Anyway, we don't buy too many Disney toys or other merchandise. I know my children and it is my job to protect them, even from Disney sometimes!
post #106 of 142

What I didn't like.....

Is when I went to my local LLL and felt judged because my children wore disney clothing. The women there were most definately coming from the "can't stand Disney" viewpoint. My children wear hand me down's from cousins and there is a lot of Disney mixed into their wardrobe. The LLL leader actually brought it to my attention and asked me about it. It made me feel bad, and I didn't feel welcome there. My kids dress themselves, so sometimes we will go to a playgroup and they will wear Disney stuff.
post #107 of 142

Re: What I didn't like.....

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Originally posted by Bestbirths
The LLL leader actually brought it to my attention and asked me about it. It made me feel bad, and I didn't feel welcome there. My kids dress themselves, so sometimes we will go to a playgroup and they will wear Disney stuff.
That's really outrageous. I am enjoying this thread (and all viewpoints). And I basically agree with Stonehedge.

Yeah, I'll probably go to Disneyland with my child at some point and enjoy it, but I will choose (and limit) Disney media exposure. (A movie once in a very blue moon I can live with. Repeated showings... how is that beneficial?)

The thing that I'm personally very wary of is being a walking billboard for ANY major corporation. I'm not going to PAY THEM money to advertise for THEM, KWIM? So I don't go out of my way to buy stuff. (I love Old Navy, and I avoid buying T-shirts with their name on it. If they want me or my children to wear it, they can give it to me for free, thank you very much.)

But so what if the whole wardrobe is Disney. : Some kids and parents think it's cute. (I personally don't.) That's fine. It's their life/money. I was in the mall a few weeks ago and they had a great deal (bathsuit for girls plus free robe). The bathing suit was a little too glittery for my taste (but not if I had a DD for sure) and if I would have loved to purchase it for someone!

I have neighbors with twin girls (age 4) who are into Disney/heroine fairytales. We see them at the park sometimes. I would never avoid them (or pass judgement) because of it. Sheesh.

Bestbirths, every LLL chapter is different. And nobody at my chapter(s) would pass judgement on you for that. That sounds "out there" to me. I'm sorry you had that experience.
post #108 of 142

Re: What I didn't like.....

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Originally posted by Bestbirths
Is when I went to my local LLL and felt judged because my children wore disney clothing. The women there were most definately coming from the "can't stand Disney" viewpoint. My children wear hand me down's from cousins and there is a lot of Disney mixed into their wardrobe. The LLL leader actually brought it to my attention and asked me about it. It made me feel bad, and I didn't feel welcome there.
Bestbirths - I know whatcha mean. Luckily, I don't think the LLL leader we have right now would do that. But, I HAVE known & heard of LLL leaders like that.

It burns me. Why make ANYONE feel uncomfortable about coming to LLL for support???????? I don't think it's in the LLL philosophy to only welcome people who are anti-corporate. In fact, I think if it had been reported, the leader you spoke of might've been chided for that.

I guess I'm a little scrappy with this sort of thing. I could see myself getting into an argument with a LLL leader who would actually go there with me if my breastfeeding TODDLER, who cosleeps, uses the sling, and is an AP kid, was wearing a (gasp!) Disney shirt to a LLL meeting - where I came to get SUPPORT FOR BREASTFEEDING!!!!!!!! Yep, that would be a problem. Sorry, it just blows my mind that your LLL leader actually brought it to your attention & ASKED you about it.
post #109 of 142

Yes

I really did need the support, I was tandem nursing a toddler and a newborn. We do all of the AP (I checked everything on the survey). I even had PPD and a car accident when dd was seven weeks old. I couldn't pick her up, let alone the sling was out of the question. She could just be in my lap, and that was it. It was devistating. I had to take a crash course in bonding without the sling, and with PPD, it was a challenge. What I didn't need was grief about Disney. I hope the leaders out there who read this thread will go easy on people who may not do everything "the perfect way" in their eyes. I felt like I would have had to go through my house and get rid of all my Disney stuff to fit in there. I think she did mention that they all had done that. My MOM and dh through a fit over it. We had a family meeting about the issue where they were like "NO Way are we getting rid of our Disney stuff just to fit in". If I was non corporate, like you said, in my heart, that would be a reason to change, but not to fit in to a group.

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It just didn't end there, I saw a disturbing trend in what they called AP where it became all about being non corporate, having no plastic toys, being extremely health and safety aware to the extreme, etc.... It was like AP was more about what you wore and what you did and didn't do rather than building relationships, which is what it means to us.
post #110 of 142
I am so sorry you had such a sad experience with your local LLL group. I just had to comment again because I am a LLL leader and can't IMAGINE treating anyone the wat you were treated. LLL is a single purpose group: breastfeeding. Of course moms come with all kinds of other questions and needs, we always tell moms they will meet lots of mothers with differing ideas and they are free to discuss anything after the meeting. Moms get to know which of us don't vaccinate, who does what, but I would never allow another leader or group mom to judge another mother for what they wear. I wonder what that is teaching their children?: My sister gives my dd hand me downs also and she loves those Pooh pj's and Ariel t- shirt. We need to support eachother, especially because the numbers of nursing moms is relatively small. I hate to hear stories like this. Is there another group near you that you might attend? LLL is a wonderful support to nursing moms and embraces all moms, not just a paicular kind of mother.
post #111 of 142
My dh has a bunch of the disney movies. We are in the process of reaquireing them on DVD. Currently, we have toy story 1 and 2 and Bugs Life and Monster's Inc. I'm holding my breath and wringing my hands waiting for Lion King to be released on DVD (according to the lady at the Disney Sotre, it is supposed to be in October) And we are quite anxiously awaiting Nemo's release on DVD , since ds won't sit still in a theater. However, he loves his Nemo shirt (his yishy) and would were it everyday if I would let him. Fortunately, he loves his Sully shirt almost as much so he lets me rotate them out. I'm a huge Disney fan but ds isn't all that interested in the movies. He'll watch bits and pieces of Monster, Inc. but that is about it. I can't wait to take him to Disney World and Land, but that is a few years off. Right now he is scared to death of costumed characters (flipped out at the Easter Bunny) so I don't want to add to that trauma by taking him to Disney. Plus money is going to be an issue for at least a few years. So, I've bought into the consumerism and I'm pretty well ok with that.
post #112 of 142

We have a MDC playgroup

which meets once a week that we have been going to, and there are other LLL groups farther away from me that I think I'll check out too. Maybe we can find a "Disney friendly" group, LOL!
post #113 of 142

Re: Yes

Quote:
Originally posted by Bestbirths
It just didn't end there, I saw a disturbing trend in what they called AP where it became all about being non corporate, having no plastic toys, being extremely health and safety aware to the extreme, etc.... It was like AP was more about what you wore and what you did and didn't do rather than building relationships, which is what it means to us.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I felt that way once when I arrived at a LLL meeting with my ds - (who was 10 months at the time, breastfeeding wonderfully, cosleeping, etc, etc, didn't start solids till after 6 months, etc, didn't use rice cereal - used whole foods like banana, etc, etc) - who just so happened to be carrying a baby bottle of spring water, because it HELPED HIM NOT TO SCREAM IN THE CARSEAT, since I CAN'T NURSE WHILE I'M DRIVING, AND I HAD A SCREAMING-IN-THE-CAR-TYPE BABY at the time (and he was 10 MONTHS, so it wasn't risking the nursing relationship. he's 24 months now and still nurses just fine). I got dirty looks from SEVERAL PEOPLE when they saw the baby bottle of SPRING WATER..........And, get this: the LLL leader actually came over at the end of the meeting and told me I shouldn't use the bottle for the spring water!!!!! She said I should use a tippy cup (which wouldn't of helped cause he needed to SUCK to calm himself down), cause bottles are terrible. And during the meeting, after I had come in, she had gone on about how she sees parents in the store with babies prop-ed up with a bottle & it makes her so sad. And she was looking at my ds & his bottle of spring water.

Anyway, I'm very active in LLL now. We have a different leader who is very nurturing & great. I'm so glad I stuck with LLL even with those sorts of occurances, because it was so worth it.

Anyway, I know I'm rambling. But yes, LLL, and AP, Mothering Magazine, and MDC are not about how natural you are, or how anti-corporate you are - they're about women SUPPORTING women, and families supporting families. And bonding with your children in a loving way. Not about judging other people.

Thank goodness!!!
post #114 of 142
Well-said!!
post #115 of 142

Oh! Autumn Wind! You said it all!!!

:bf
post #116 of 142
I wish everyone had your attitude on raising children. Unfortunately, I have been told that I'm a terrible mother for working while my child is young. And for supplementing with formula (which never hurt our nursing at all) while he was in daycare. And for having a scheduled c-section. Not to mention my love for Disney and plastic beepy toys. Or my non-vegetarian diet. That is why I call myself "mostly creamy", as in I'm not super granola, I'm not even really slightly crunchy. However I do practice ap in that I breastfeed and co-sleep and I respect my child and try my best to meet all of his needs all of the time (I say try because there are some things he thinks are needs that really aren't. Such as, he doesn't NEED to play with the stove, he just wants to LOL)
post #117 of 142
I have no problem with Disney. I own pretty much every disney movie..I great up in Anaheim and spent ALOT of time at Disneyland and they are all very fond memories.

I grew up watchng the princess movies..and they didn't affect my self confidence or body image..I guess I'm lucky.

I think its more the parental influence than the movies

Anyway..I let Cassidy watch the movies..shes addicted to Monsters Inc right now and watches it almost every night while winding down for bedtime...I admit theres almost no learning material in it..but I don't see the harm in an hour or so a night...
post #118 of 142
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post #119 of 142
I'm kinda clueless here & haven't seen Aladdin or The Little Mermaid in a long time; how are these movies showing stereotypes?
post #120 of 142
Little Mermaid: Are you talking about Sebastian, the Jamaican Crab? Or the Over-the-top French Cook (who was going to cook Sebastian?) Personally, I never considered those offensive. But I'm neither French nor Jamaican.

I don't remember Alladin much. But I think I remember one character that Alladin bumps into (a bum ?) who was the dirtiest man alive... and that actually made me wonder because it did seem racist at the time. I recall being shocked. Truthfully, I don't remember which character it was.
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