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Poll Results: Disney influence: Okay or Not Okay??

  • 15% (55)
    No way, no how! We despise Disney! There are absolutely no visions of Disney dancing around in my child's head nor home!
  • 30% (105)
    We don't have any videos but the occasional Disney is OK as long as it doesn't have any influence on my child.
  • 22% (77)
    I allow Disney in my home, and my child is influenced, but I personally think all children would be better-off without Disney.
  • 29% (100)
    We have plenty of Disney videos and/or items and my child loves Disney. I see no harm in it, I don't think it's a big deal.
  • 2% (7)
    We strive to have every Disney video ever created!! My child is a Disney fanatic!! Disney is good for the child!!
344 Total Votes  
post #81 of 142
I let my 3 month old ds wear the Winnie-the-Pooh clothes my folks got for him. But I told them not to buy any more. I figure, my child is so sweet and cute, I don't want him giving free advertising to Disney!

When he's older I'm not sure what I'll do about the movies. They do have a lot of racial stereotyping! I loved the movie Dumbo when I was a child, now I look at the crows and Oy! And what about Aladdin, the Little Mermaid--actually, many of them are like that. Maybe there are some exceptions, we'll have to take it case by case.

Winnie the Pooh was one of my favorite books growing up and it bugs me that the Disney version is the version that all the children see first. I just don't like that. Mr. Shephard's drawings are so much more beautiful and Milne's stories so much more charming.
post #82 of 142

Disney fanatics

We have most the Disney videos, we have disney games, and toys and my dad bought us annual passes to Disney this year. WOOHOO. We are fixing to take our second trip in three weeks. And we are EXCITED!

My husband was never allowed anything Disney, never saw a Disney movie, and when we had children he has loved watching the old movies and the new ones too. His first trip to Disney was a few years ago and he fell in love.

So you will not see me saying anything is wrong with Disney. As for materialism. I see a lot of "hip" sites feared towards selling AP moms or granola moms all kinds of stuff, stuff we dont really need but maybe want. I read cloth diapering boards all over the net and some of those moms are over the edge in buying cutsie diapers and the like only to wear a few times. Disney offers good as well as the bad, but I believe the good outweighs the bad and it sure is a lot better than other stuff I have seen out in the world.
post #83 of 142

F-U-C --- See ya real soon! K-THE-MOUSE

HATE Disney. As someone with a love of good folklore and a belief that the gritty fairy tales with NO SINGING ANIMALS perform valuable psychological work a child needs in order to face reality in a "safe" way, I despise -- absolutely *despise* that f%^%^g mouse.

We have two Disney movies - Toy Story 2 and Fantasia. I don't object to Fantasia because of the classical music AND because it's the least commercial of all the Disney movies. However, I completely agree that they have taken the Pooh books and turned them into garbage. I would argue that they did the same with "Cinderella." What's that s&*t about having the mice make a dress for her? When someone tampers with the fairy tale, it changes the nature of the tale and affects the psychological work it can do -- like a cancer, it attaches itself onto its host story and deforms it.

I think it's no mistake that the animators who worked for Disney Studios referred to their place of employment as "Mouseschwitz."
post #84 of 142

I thought Disney was Boooooorrrring when I was little

And now I think it is, too.

And I had exposure to it. Wasn't "sheltered". Thought as far as cartoons went, Warner Bros was waaaaaay better. More clever. Didn't talk down to me. Not so sickly sweet.

Won't buy any, but if someone gives our boy something Disney, I won't make him throw it out.

There is just so much better stuff out there. More imaginative. Less marketed.

Edited to add: I really, really like Bruder Grimm. I don't think it is too brutal for children. I liked 'brutal' when I was little. I was a condescending little brat to adults who tried to sugarcoat everything. I think that many (note I did not say all) kids like the old fashioned fairy tales because they have justice. It isn't kind justice. But, there is a comeuppance at the end. Andrew Lang's books, the Wonder Clock by Howard Pyle, Twice-Told Tales by Nathaniel Hawthorne, Arthur Rackham's Fairy Tales, etc. etc.
post #85 of 142
I have a few select disney movies including the original Parent Trap, Sword in the Stone, Toy Story 1 & 2, and Alladin. But most of their movies portray messages I don't want my children getting. Don't even get my husband started on Lion King, he hates that he is betrayed by his own family, he thinks that is a horrible message to send kids. I also think the violence in that movie is very scary. I hated Wizard of Oz as a kid, I remember seeing it only once and being scared to death. I also refuse to buy into the whole princess thing when I have a daughter. At least Jasmine in Alladin isn't "looking" for a man, and in fact turns down all the phony, materialistic, fake suitors that show up. I have to say one of my favorite kid's movies is Shrek because it makes fun of all the things I don't like about Disney movies. I think it is an awesome movie. We have only watched it once or twice with our 20 month old son, and the other day he found the DVD case and came out of the room going "want Shrek." He is also a Simpson's fanantic too but that is another thread.
post #86 of 142
I have to say I like OnTheFence's analogy -- it isn't only Disney who mass markets & puts their logos & on all sorts of *crap* (and yes, it usually is crap!).

I say "All things in moderation -- including moderation!" We will probably accumulate some Disney stuff, although I'd rather our offspring find a cheaper favorite character! I don't see it as any different than the teddy bears I collected as a child (okay..still do ). I spent lotsa hours on ebay to put together my son's nursery: Curious George... and bought lotsa Raggedy Ann & Andy for the next kid -- whenever that one comes along .

I think you can find good or bad symbolism in any story if you look hard enough. I remember watching Dumbo, & I didn't come away with any racist views. And I think my mom had the right idea -- as long as it wasn't terrible or age in-appropriate, we were able to watch it, but she always seemed to be around with a well placed comment ... at the end of Grease (one of my all time fav's! ) she commented..."So, she had to become trashy and give up her morals for the man? Hmmmm." That was enough to make us realize it, but we got to use our own minds to decide if we wanted to watch it again -- and if we did, we did so realizing it was a poor choice...but jeez I love the songs "grease lightning, go grease lightning"

Okay, that movie is just BAD! that's for after the lil ones are in bed!
post #87 of 142
to mojomom
you are completely correct with your info.May I also add that one of the ex-nazi officers used to do human experiments on prisoners and then do autopsy's on them.
During the union dispute he told his employees that a union would not help them a good hard days work would.
About Mulan, that character is the only possitive female (with an AA cup bra)that Disney movies have ever portrayed.

A friend recently said to me "Every dollar you spend is a vote for what you believe in" now i take an extra second to think about what i am about to buy and where that $ is going to go. It is very difficult for "the little guy" to get anywhere nowadays so my family, being the little guy, we do our best to support these smaller businesses that have children in mind, (as people, not numbers).

That is my rant thanx for enduring
post #88 of 142
I think the Disney Corporation is evil and I will never give them a penny of my money!

Having said that, I do check out Homeward Bound 2 sometimes from the library for my DS. He loves when the 2 dogs and the cat are at the airport. Luckily, we don't have to worry about the television for DS to get hooked on other things.
post #89 of 142
Disney is mostly bad with some good bits. I have always laughed at the ridiculous quality of the female characters in the films. They really all do look alike regardless of ethnicity, which is sad and funny. I don't generally watch the films but they trickle into the house. My mother buys them for us. We don't really watch them. There have been a few natable exceptions. Lilo and Stich was about a non-white, non-traditional and somewhat dysfunctional family and I loved that. Toy Story (1 and 2) were loads of fun and had a "gee-whiz" factor to them. The stories were lively and did not avoid uglier human emotions. There are still loads of stereotypes in most Disney products. However, my 2 y.o. can't live without The Wiggles. Every morning. Without fail. She sings and dances her heart out and has a good nap afterward. That's really her only tv show that she watches and requests daily and that's on Playhouse Disney. A channel rife with irritating shows.

I have not been to DisneyLand since I was 12 years old and am probably going to take both my dd and my stepson at some point. They have both been exposed to so little Disney yet both seem to want to convince me of the themepark's virtues. I remember my visit as 12 and how the whole thing seemed like an elaborate cash-extraction machine. I'm sure it's the same now but with bigger things to stare at slack-jawed. It's just not me. Disney attempts to hit a moral note in it's stories but never really seems to get me where it counts. I never feel moved by any of their attempts to play my heartstrings ala Steven Spielberg.

I too have been truly impressed by Disney's english language versions of Hayao Miyazaki's Spirited Away and Princess Mononoki. These are absolute masterpieces. Finding Nemo looks like it might be pretty good bet too.

Disney Product? Disappointing overall but with pockets of genius.

post #90 of 142
I'm looking at our movie collection...let's see...Disney...we have Beauty and the Beast, Robin Hood, Mulan, Lilo and Stitch, and Monsters Inc. I love all of those movies. We don't really aquire movies that we don't enjoy; gifts that we don't like get donated.

There are a lot of Disney movies we wouldn't let the kids watch. Pocahontas, for example. I cannot imagine how they could have made that story less true. (Well, actually, I can and that is scary, but it was terribly far from reality.)

We have no disney merchandise here. Wait, we have a Pooh doll. That's about all. (What's a happy meal toy? - Don't tell my kids!)

We do watch Playhouse Disney occassionally. We really like Rollie Pollie Ollie and Bear in the Big Blue House. Sometimes when we need a break or one of the kids is sick we'll watch those.
post #91 of 142
I havenot read this thread all of the way through, but...

When I worked at the public library in Burbank (1/2 mile from Disney studios), in the Children's section there were books by a former employee of Disney, Bill Peet, who did the illustrations for Sleeping Beauty and Peter Pan. He quit in the mid 1960's because he could not stand working for the big man.
post #92 of 142
Disney is a business, a media giant. I cannot see how having a business, a profit driven, cash-centered, competitive enterprize insinuating its cultural agenda, whatever it is (and I don't think its good at all), into the minds of a generation of young people as anything but horrific.

Millions of children plugged into media supplied by fewer and fewer companies. Feels a little like The Matrix to me.
post #93 of 142
Originally posted by mother_sunshine
I have always had a problem with how the female is portrayed in most of the movies (ie: Snow White) and often talked w/dd about the problem. The women/girls seem to be able to wipe away their worries with a song (and man!) and that is what mainly bothered me I guess.
I'm quoting mother-sunshine but this is a reply to all who think Disney is the ultimate evil and other nonsense.

You have right to your opinions but your children also have right to theirs! They enjoy Disney movies for reasons that are not yours. Stop forbiding your children from watching cartoons, just share the views that worry you with them. Talking about it is a good idea. Like "girls don't actually have to be like that", etc. That will probably turn into a fun conversation.
post #94 of 142
Its kinda hard to despise Disney when we live 10 minutes from Disneyland and go once a week. My kids love Disney and Disneyland! I grew up with Disney and their products and have not been traumatized so we'll keep going until my kids don't like it anymore!

post #95 of 142
Thread Starter 
Since I started this thread in January of 2002, there have been some changes in my home.

A few years ago when my daughter was a toddler I blindly bought into the Disney commercialism and bought too many videotapes that I would play on a daily basis as a means of babysitting while I worked on the computer. Soon after that was when I started noticing that dd's play had changed from creative and original to constant role-playing of disney-characters (which lead into the inundation of Barbie too of course). At first it was kind-of cute but the more I thought about it, and the more she focused on it, the more it bothered me. Disney was forming my child with my complete consent.

Since then I have realized that Disney doesn't only portray many of the female characters as helpless and inferior, they are TEACHING little girls and boys how to act (and buy) in our society. This makes me sick. And it just emphasizes what cumulus said.

That said, I still have all the videotapes because I am not comfortable taking them away from her without her consent, but I let my daughter (now 6) choose when she wants to watch them which is maybe once every 2-3 weeks, and it's usually a non-Disney recording of Beetlejuice. TV is now limited to 1 hour a day (and has been for the past year). She has also since "outgrown" Barbie. Her play has changed dramatically for the better and she is once again her creative unique self.

I agree in part with Leonor that parents should discuss what they are watching and that children are entitled to their own opinions but when their opinions are so heavily influenced by what they are watching, is it really THEIR OWN opinions or is it successful commercialism and, in a sense, brainwashing?
post #96 of 142
Disney has been progressive in giving health benefits to "household" partners.

They pay the people who work at their theme parks deploreable wages. Some workers have been known to live on welfare out of their cars, working at minimum wage for years, no benefits, and sweltering in those costumes in the middle of summer.

As a teacher in a private school, I cannot show a Disney video because the lawyers will be on my case for - what? I do not know.

Alittle T

My Ds#2's name is "ARIEL" after Ariel Sharon of Israel. The name means "lion of G-d", a very masculine name, and is used in Hebrew poetry as a synonym for the Eternal City of Jerusalem.

He is 18 now; when he was in elementary school, the "Little Mermaid" was released, and he was teased mercilessly. He insisted on being called "Ari", more masculine in the minds of his classmates.

Later, when he went into competitve wrestling, he liked using "ARIEL", because his competitors initially thought they would be wrestling a girl, not my big muscular DS! It gave him a psychological advantage over any competition he would encounter.

I never thought it was a good idea to give my son an androgynous name, but I did it three times.

What a hypocrit I am!
post #97 of 142
As a teacher in a private school, I cannot show a Disney video because the lawyers will be on my case for - what? I do not know.

I would guess because you haven't payed for performance rights to the video? I'm an academic librarian so we face this all the time (not with Disney so much I hope ) Most videos don't come with performance rights unless you pay extra for them. This is not widely understood by teachers or by professors. Now, obviously there are no copyright police who are sticking their noses into classrooms all over the place, but if the owner of the performance rights of any video gets wind of what you are doing, it's not that unusual for them to mention legal action.
post #98 of 142
Dear EF mom:

I understood that, but I do not charge for the "performances", and who really cares what a small religious school is showing in the third grade?

I just wanted to compare "Beauty and the Beast" versions Disney -vs- Jan Brett. Sometimes there are students in the class who have parents who work at Disney.

Bill Peet in his autobiography made fun of old Walt by saying that he suspected that Disney studios wanted to ultimately do all of Grimm fairy tales and then own the rights to all of them. Since Disney,Inc. is such a prevailing influence in our culture, Disney could ultimately own all of the rights to Grimm fairy tales, Hans Christian Anderson and Washington Irving stories. No one would be able to read or present a story without paying a fee to Disney, Inc.
post #99 of 142
I am sorry but it is patently false that Disney pays minimum wage. They have a number of very aggressive unions and have good contracts with all of them. Most of those contracts do allow for seasonal/part time employess to work at the parks without joining the union (but they do pay dues to the union during which time they must be paid the same wage that the union has negotiated for it's members. No where near minimum wage. They do not acrue benefits during this time. The performers in "character costumes", the heavy ones with big heads, ie, Mickey, Goofy, etc... are in costume and out in the park less than 30 minutes of each hour. Yes, it is a hard, demanding job but everyone I have met who did it competed like crazy to get it and loves to do it.

It is also impossible for Disney to 'get the rights' to these older stories in the way described here. All they can ever own are the rights to their own productions of those stories.
post #100 of 142
This subject always gets quite a lot of responses on MDC. I see there's over 100 responses to this thread already.

And quite a diverse group of responses, which doesn't surprise me in the least. We all have different opinions about Disney, even though we all practice AP. Just goes to show you - there's not a strict, pigeon-holed definition of an AP family. Not at all.

My family and I just returned from Walt Disney World. We were there for 5 days, and had a wonderful time. I nursed all over the parks, we ate reasonably healthy, we co-slept and we practiced gentle discipline, as always.

My ds has a variety of influences in his life, from classical music, to art, to old fashioned fairy tales, to wooden toys, modern/plastic toys, a multicultural family, active LLL involvement (where he plays with lots of other AP toddlers), grandparents, great-grandparents, and Disney movies. Just to name a few.
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