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post #101 of 111
HI everyone, new member here, and am overwhelmed and way impressed at the amount of knowledge writeen especially you researchers out there, MT and Insider. Your'e inspiring!! re: vaxing and polio.

Am elated to see this thread what in my gut knew all along, that vaxing as offered by peds right now as we know it is flawed, and dangerous. I am also angry and frustrated that it takes SO much of our own research and time to become truly aware of the truths and to refute lies we are fed. My head feels huge from reading entire thread in one sitting, but glad to do so. Def, better than a novel.

Anyway, my problem is this. Before I had the stamina, knowledge and courage, I allowed my 13 week old to be vaxed with DTAP, ComVax (HIb and Hep b), and Prevnar (neumoccocal). Though my research into reasons why NOT to vaccinate is recent, my gut tells me to hold everything, not vax, and re-evaluate which ones I should do (which right now, I feel so pissed, and lied to by peds, medical community and public health orgs, that I don't want my son to have any more.) Thing is I feel I have to see this through and find out everything negatibe about all the vaxes offered, especially so I can be ready to state why in ways these professionals can respect, cause really I could just say "I don't believe in it, and don't want to". Anyway, also so I can then inform hubby so he can support the decision.

We did vax my dd born in 98 and 6 now, and accepted all except for Hep A and the horrible rotavirus vax which has now been taken off the market (unless it has been replaced with a newer, improved version). At that time, I was younger, less knowledgeable, and did trust the medical community at that time. Hopefully she won't develop any scarry autoimmune disease or anything like that, and lactose intolerance and nut intolerance will be the only health issues she will have to deal with and be relatively healthy.

Now as I am older, wiser, more experienced mom that will do what it takes to protect my children, and especially after having had a few negative experiences with the medical community related to overuse of antibiotics, and scarring me during my recent pregnancy with the pos. group b strep result and trying to make me take antibiotics during delivery and at 39 weeks, listening to my gut say, have a home birth instead and take your pregnancy and delivery into your own hands..., I am now better able to deal with the whole vax issue in a more comprehensive way too.

My question does anyone know about what the negative physical effects would be on my little guy if I accept no more vaxes on his behalf given that he has had the first three? Like do I need to consider accepting the rest of the vaxes cause he already started the first series? Also, here in CA, the schools try to make Hep B vax mandatory, and will have to get a game plan to fight that fight, since I plan on him attending a public charter school my dd goes to that I love, and the childcare folks will most likely want him immunized when I have to go back to work before age 1.

Unlike my dd who had mild fussiness after IZ's, he had a 100 degree fever the day after the three vaxes and restless sleep for two nights following and I just got to thinking, maybe I blew it with accepting those vaxes...

Anyway, here I am trying to get a game plane to address this whole topic. Does feel overwhelming, but I am determined to figure it all out.

Thanks for any responses....
post #102 of 111
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Originally Posted by xochisol
Also, here in CA, the schools try to make Hep B vax mandatory, and will have to get a game plan to fight that fight, since I plan on him attending a public charter school my dd goes to that I love, and the childcare folks will most likely want him immunized when I have to go back to work before age 1.
I lurk here and soak up all the awesome research and linkage that these amazing moms put out here...but I just wanted to say that in California, you can waive any and ALL vaccines. You just need to sign the waiver, that's your right as a parent. The school might try to tell you otherwise. : Also, what part of California are you in? Someone might be able to direct you to a non-vax friendly doc, who will support you if the school tries to give you grief.
post #103 of 111
Xochisol, there are no negative effects from continuing vaccinations. Well, except that maybe your pediatrician will harrass you. Even if you stop all vaccines and your son at age 14 decides he wants to get them, he could continue right on - he wouldn't even have to start over. And if you never want him to get more, then that is just fine as well. There was a recent thread titled something like "Finish what you started..." that talks about this. It should be on this page or the second page of the vaccinations forum right now. I don't have time to search for it at the moment, but it should be easy to find.

I do have one piece of advice for you - do NOT try to engage your pediatrician in a discussion about vaccinations. There are two reasons for this. The first is that your pediatrician will not care that you've read a lot. (S)he feels like the "expert" and will not believe that you can possibly have educated yourself well enough to understand the issue. The fact of the matter is that pediatricians know very little about vaccinations, but what they do know is all the propaganda fed to them by the CDC, WHO, AAP and vaccine manufacturers - and most of them believe it. The second reason not to argue is that if you do not live in a state that allows a philosophical exemption, you don't want to have discussed your reason for refusing vaccines with your pediatrician. (If your state does allow philo exemptions, then it's okay.) If you have to claim a religious exemption, but you've told your ped that you don't want to vax because you think it's bad for your child, then it will be on record that you don't really have a religious objection. Just something to think about. If your pediatrician asks you, you simply tell them, "My views on vaccination have changed and we will not be continuing." That's it. Good luck researching!
post #104 of 111
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My question does anyone know about what the negative physical effects would be on my little guy if I accept no more vaxes on his behalf given that he has had the first three? Like do I need to consider accepting the rest of the vaxes cause he already started the first series?
Nope, if anything you are saving him the negative physical effects of all the crap that is in the vaccines imo. You don't need to finish the series.


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Also, here in CA, the schools try to make Hep B vax mandatory, and will have to get a game plan to fight that fight, since I plan on him attending a public charter school my dd goes to that I love, and the childcare folks will most likely want him immunized when I have to go back to work before age 1.
California is one of the more open states. Know your laws. If it is a public charter school I'm fairly certain that they have to accept the state laws on our philisophical exemption (I'm from california).

State laws:
http://www.nvic.org/state-site/California.htm
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/cc-exem.htm

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=328759

If you run into trouble, please let us know and we have a lot of people here that can help you with whatever with all sorts of advice.


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Unlike my dd who had mild fussiness after IZ's, he had a 100 degree fever the day after the three vaxes and restless sleep for two nights following and I just got to thinking, maybe I blew it with accepting those vaxes...
I know how this feels. My daughter suffered a seizure after her 2 month shots and it took me a long time to get rid of the guilt. I have the same feelings as you about the medical field not telling me the entire truth. They led me to believe that the worst that could happen was a mild fever. I like to think of this as a wake up call and thank god I was able to stop the train from moving before it hit a pedestrian crossing the tracks. I'd not feel so much animosity towards them if laws weren't coming down upon us to force us to accept this stuff without scrutiny.

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Anyway, here I am trying to get a game plane to address this whole topic. Does feel overwhelming, but I am determined to figure it all out.
You sound like I did..I was so overwhelmed..and it took a few months for the fog to clear but I wanted to tell you to hang in there momma..there IS a light at the end of the tunnel. As my father says...Where there IS a will there IS a way!
post #105 of 111
I've read this whole thread, and I find it fascinating. Can I just repeat some stuff for confirmation? Please correct me if any of the following is incorrect.
  • OPV "works" by infecting the taker with a weakened strain of poliovirus. In theory, this should make the person immune to the wild strain of poliovirus.
  • In almost all cases, the person receiving OPV shows no symptoms of contracting polio, but occasionally (something like 1 in a million?) it does cause the person to contract a full blown case of paralytic polio.
  • The weakened OPV strain of poliovirus is just as contagious as the wild strain.
  • IPV does not prevent someone from becoming a carrier of poliovirus, either the weakened OPV or the wild strain. But it does prevent paralysis from polio.

Assuming this is all correct, I don't get the effort to "eradicate" polio that the WHO and other health organizations are attempting through massive vaccination with OPV in underdeveloped areas, and IPV in the western world. I've always heard it compared to smallpox eradication: "If we vaccinate everyone, eventually the disease will disappear forever, and no one will have to worry about it again and we can stop vaccinating for it." I don't see how this could happen.

I mean, lets assume they successfully knock out all the hotspots of polio "outbreaks" we've been hearing about lately. Say they managed to vaccinate every single kid in the world with OPV (besides the kids in America, UK, etc who still get IPV) and there were no more cases of wild polio being reported for years. They could still never stop vaccinating because they'd never be sure that it wasn't running around undetected in the communities that had been given IPV. And we'd still be left with the vaccine strain of poliovirus, which, though weakened, is still a threat to some (most likely immunocompromised people?).

Does this make sense? Am I missing something?
post #106 of 111
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Originally Posted by Castle
I've read this whole thread, and I find it fascinating. Can I just repeat some stuff for confirmation? Please correct me if any of the following is incorrect.
  • OPV "works" by infecting the taker with a weakened strain of poliovirus. In theory, this should make the person immune to the wild strain of poliovirus.
  • In almost all cases, the person receiving OPV shows no symptoms of contracting polio, but occasionally (something like 1 in a million?) it does cause the person to contract a full blown case of paralytic polio.
  • The weakened OPV strain of poliovirus is just as contagious as the wild strain.
  • IPV does not prevent someone from becoming a carrier of poliovirus, either the weakened OPV or the wild strain. But it does prevent paralysis from polio.

Assuming this is all correct, I don't get the effort to "eradicate" polio that the WHO and other health organizations are attempting through massive vaccination with OPV in underdeveloped areas, and IPV in the western world. I've always heard it compared to smallpox eradication: "If we vaccinate everyone, eventually the disease will disappear forever, and no one will have to worry about it again and we can stop vaccinating for it." I don't see how this could happen.

I mean, lets assume they successfully knock out all the hotspots of polio "outbreaks" we've been hearing about lately. Say they managed to vaccinate every single kid in the world with OPV (besides the kids in America, UK, etc who still get IPV) and there were no more cases of wild polio being reported for years. They could still never stop vaccinating because they'd never be sure that it wasn't running around undetected in the communities that had been given IPV. And we'd still be left with the vaccine strain of poliovirus, which, though weakened, is still a threat to some (most likely immunocompromised people?).

Does this make sense? Am I missing something?
Nope. That's the deal to a T.
It's news to me, too.
I'm not really thinking it was intentional, but it does sound like good buisness, doesn't it?
Even if it was a serendepity for the industry.
Lucky them.
post #107 of 111
Did anyone catch the coverage of this "outbreak" on the CBS (or was it NBC, I'm not sure, I watched both) Evening News last night? It made me .
It was all 5 cases of polio unvaccinated Amish going door to door to get these people to vaccinate .
And they had this "expert" on saying it's a "complete mystery" where this polio outbreak came from.
post #108 of 111
Oh good grief - I'm glad I missed all of that nonsense.
post #109 of 111
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Originally Posted by Castle
Did anyone catch the coverage of this "outbreak" on the CBS (or was it NBC, I'm not sure, I watched both) Evening News last night? It made me .
It was all 5 cases of polio unvaccinated Amish going door to door to get these people to vaccinate .
And they had this "expert" on saying it's a "complete mystery" where this polio outbreak came from.
I didn't see it either. I almost wish I had. : We live about 4-5 hours from this "outbreak," and public health is harassing our Amish too. Most of them have been vax'ed now b/c public health is telling them how dangerous it is. They're not running out telling the Bishop or anything, but it's a pretty well known fact. Makes me sad
post #110 of 111
: I guess they didn't hear the earlier press reports on it being linked to someone who got the OP vax? Oh wait, that's probably called selective hearing, I guess.
post #111 of 111

Polio vax- Thanks mamas

I heard today about the kids in MN that have positive Polio. I was worried about another outbreak in the US- and I don't live far from MN with 2 unvaxed kids. So I came to the only place I trust and did a search here about polio. I am happy to say my kids WILL stay vax free. Reading what I did here gave me another reason not to vax them for this.

I talked with my Aunt who lives in Iowa and she said people there are freaking out- even her husbands family that are all "earth mamas" are getting their kids vaxed. I need to get my girls vaxed I know she means well, and we live in an era of prevention or thinking people are preventing it is the only way to go- funny this virus was transmited from a live virus vax!!!

I just wanted to say thanks for the education!
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