3 in Minnesota with polio virus... - Page 4

[Plummeting]

Originally Posted by Deva33mommy

Ok, I'm not disagreeing with you here. I'm honestly wondering about this.
But HOW can the medical community be SO wrong? Do they know something we don't know? Does the provocation polio even exist? I looked and I can't find much info on it online.
I mean, if it really exists, you'd think the medical community would know about it, and they wouldn't be vaccinating people already at risk of contracting polio! How could they?
(sigh) I guess its just really hard to believe that they'd put people at more risk than is necessary.

Look at post #35 in this thread:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=356355

Sorry, my acrobat reader is down, so I can't open suschi's link, so I can't just paste it myself and I don't know how to link to one post in a thread.

Someone else recently posted a study of the data from the epidemics that also concluded that injections were strongly related to development of polio, which started in the injected limb, but I don't know who it was or what thread it was in. So, if that person reads this thread, could you post it over here, maybe?

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by Plummeting

Look at post #35 in this thread:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=356355

Sorry, my acrobat reader is down, so I can't open suschi's link, so I can't just paste it myself and I don't know how to link to one post in a thread.

Someone else recently posted a study of the data from the epidemics that also concluded that injections were strongly related to development of polio, which started in the injected limb, but I don't know who it was or what thread it was in. So, if that person reads this thread, could you post it over here, maybe?

Even that pdf is from an anti-vax site, though.
I'm not saying I think it's untrue, but I just can fully digest it as "truth" till I read it from a source that isn't out to prove some point about vaccinations, kwim?

[insider]

There are several research articles about injection-induced paralytic polio. I was going to list some from PubMed but there are so many. The first researchers to figure it out published their observations in the early 1950s. The exact biological mechanism has been detailed in just the past ten years. They even measured how fast the virus moves through the nervous system toward the brain after injection trauma (2.1mm per hour).

[Plummeting]

Sorry mamakay. I can't even open any pdf's, so I had no idea what the site was.

Thanks, insider. Were you the one that posted the other study on this somewhere recently? It seems that I'm pretty sure the one I'm thinking of had a date of 1995 on it....

[DesireeH]

Someone else recently posted a study of the data from the epidemics that also concluded that injections were strongly related to development of polio, which started in the injected limb, but I don't know who it was or what thread it was in.

That was the one about intramuscular injections? I think I remember, let me see if I can find it.

[DesireeH]

This thread?

http://69.20.14.30/discussions/showt...lar+injections

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by insider

There are several research articles about injection-induced paralytic polio. I was going to list some from PubMed but there are so many. The first researchers to figure it out published their observations in the early 1950s. The exact biological mechanism has been detailed in just the past ten years. They even measured how fast the virus moves through the nervous system toward the brain after injection trauma (2.1mm per hour).

Well, post some!
I can't find any!
Minus the "VaxesRBad.com" type sites.

[DesireeH]

The link I posted above ( http://69.20.14.30/discussions/showt...lar+injections ) has 4 other links listed within that are not from anti-vaccine sites but from medical sites.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Originally Posted by tayndrewsmama

: MT would/will be so proud!

Yeah. Deva has done a pretty good thinking job.

I know where my head would go next, in terms of thinking, so I'm ing to see if she gets to that conclusion herself....

[mamakay]

Originally Posted by DesireeH

The link I posted above ( http://69.20.14.30/discussions/showt...lar+injections ) has 4 other links listed within that are not from anti-vaccine sites but from medical sites.

The forum says I "Do not have sufficient priveleges" to follow links to other MDC threads.... :

[DesireeH]

Here is some of the links listed:

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/101/37/13636

http://jvi.asm.org/cgi/reprint/72/6/5056

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...0731&query_hl=7

...studies confirmed that intramuscular injections increased the risk of paralytic poliomyelitis. A single intramuscular injection given during the incubation period of wild-type poliovirus infection doubled the risk of paralysis, and multiple injections increased the risk more than 10-fold.

In addition, studies in monkeys demonstrated that the trauma of an intramuscular needle puncture (without the injection of any substance) was associated with an increased risk of paralysis in the injected limb.

(These findings) suggest that multiple intramuscular injections given over a period of days may both facilitate the entry of the poliovirus in the vaccine into the central nervous system and increase viral replication in anterior horn cells, thus transforming what would have been asymptomatic infection into paralytic disease.

[tayndrewsmama]

Originally Posted by mamakay

The forum says I "Do not have sufficient priveleges" to follow links to other MDC threads.... :

That's odd. It works for me. If you scroll down, does it give you the option to log in?

[ian'smommaya]

last night on the news they announced two addtional cases.
not in the same families as before.
http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/s11357.html

[DesireeH]

The latest infected child doesn't have any symptoms of paralytic polio, Schultz said.

State epidemiologist Harry Hull last week said he expects more cases of polio infection to turn up as community members are tested. Health officials have been canvassing the community, many of whose members are unvaccinated, urging them to be tested and immunized.

Again, no paralytic polio in this case either....and they only found it cause they are canvassing the community, the kid is not sickly.

[polka123]

an FYI - my Mom (youngest of 8 sibs) got "real polio" approx 1940. Her one leg was affected very badly. They did not think she would ever walk if she lived thru it.. This same old-time Dr told her Dad "Get her a bike (she was the only kid in the family that got one) & get her to a swimming pool to work the bad leg" - well my Mom can walk & does have many problems with that leg but she did beat the odds via riding a bike & swimming.

they were very poor & all the kids shared TWO rooms. My Mom was NOT isolated as they were not told to do so.
The Dr still made house visits. None of her sibs ever got a vax until they were adults or the male sibs went off to WWII.

NOW, someone explain to me why did NO ONE ELSE in that home get polio ?? CDC wants you to believe this is SO freakin' infectious that you can't share airspace with someone with polio (you get my drift)

My Mom is not an isolated case of no one else in the home getting polio.

I used attend her Post-Polio meetings & there were 70 other people that had polio but no one in the home contracted it either.

so what's the deal?

[DevaMajka]

provocation polio info

from a seemingly pro-vax perspective http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/conte...16/7140/1261/f

Moreover, the introduction of the DTP vaccine without adequately protecting infants from circulating wild polioviruses increased the risk of provocation poliomyelitis, he said. This is a phenomenon in which an injection given to a child harbouring a silent poliovirus infection can trigger paralysis in the injected limb. In the early years of the immunisation programme millions of injections of the DTP vaccine were given to infants who had not received even a single dose of the oral poliomyelitis vaccine.

Intramuscular Injections within 30 Days of Immunization with Oral Poliovirus Vaccine — A Risk Factor for Vaccine-Associated Paralytic Poliomyelitis
New England Journal of Medicine
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/332/8/500 (may have been already posted in yhis thread)

Provocation polio. Following an outbreak of wild polio, an injection of DTP vaccine or other pharmaceutical product may very rarely “provoke” paralysis in the injected limb. It has been suggested that routine immunization and injections for other reasons should be suspended around the time of NIDs to avoid this possibility. This is not realistic in most situations.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...736&query_hl=2

Mechanism of Injury-Provoked Poliomyelitis
Matthias Gromeier* and Eckard Wimmer full text http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...z&artid=110068

Ooh ooh- from the horse's mouth (the cdc) lol http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr4905a1.htm

Humans are the only reservoir for poliovirus. Long-term carrier states (i.e., excretion of virus by asymptomatic persons >6 months after infection) are rare and have been reported only in immunodeficient persons (20,21). Risk factors for paralytic disease include larger inocula of poliovirus, increasing age, pregnancy, strenuous exercise, tonsillectomy, and intramuscular injections administered while the patient is infected with poliovirus (22--24).

I'm thoroughly convinced now. And somewhat depressed and disheartened Ya mean to tell me that we can't trust government officials and the medical community? Is anyone else bothered by that?

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Polka, everyone else in the family did get polio. They just got it unseen, got immunity and thought she was the only one who actually got it.

The old saying is this: What you can't see, doesn't enter your head." Well, that's my butchered version.

[tayndrewsmama]

Originally Posted by Deva33mommy

I'm thoroughly convinced now. And somewhat depressed and disheartened Ya mean to tell me that we can't trust government officials and the medical community? Is anyone else bothered by that?

It's pretty crappy feeling. I wish I could tell you that it gets better, but for me, it hasn't really. The only comfort I have is in knowing enough to investigate now.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Deva, This study http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/conte...16/7140/1261/f is basically a lie. This one, is the one I mentioned to USSAmama where the principle research had stated to me in a letter that the provocation polio was caused by unsuitable drugs, administered with dirty needles, for financial gain, for fever and diarrhoea, and that it wasn't related to the EPI programme.

He also stated that it would be a political nightmare. He was correct. They wouldn't let him publish the truth, but I have that in his letters to me.

The full URL for the one above is:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...731&query_hl=7

Deva,

Ya mean to tell me that we can't trust government officials and the medical community? Is anyone else bothered by that?

But you never have been able to. Thing is, you've only just discovered it.

Yes, it comes as a shock, but its reality day to day living.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

The closest he got to telling the truth was this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...860&query_hl=3