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post #21 of 76
I am totally uninterested in these American hot-shot theologians, be they conservative or liberal. So no input there

But Queen's original comment about worshipping the Bible more than worshipping God is interesting.
Jesus said (John 5:39-40): You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
post #22 of 76
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Originally Posted by Europeanmom
But Queen's original comment about worshipping the Bible more than worshipping God is interesting.
Jesus said (John 5:39-40): You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

My son was mentioning that to me the other day actually. That he thinks many Christians seem to see the Bible as their God.
post #23 of 76
I believe the bible was inspired by God, isinerant and true. i believe it is the wondow to Gods heart and is useful for teaching and reproving. I belive the things said are to be taken literally. I believe it is Holy but that doesn't mean i worship it. I worship God.

and i also do not know anything about borg and sprog but I do have to say it makes me chuckle when I say it. :LOL
post #24 of 76
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Originally Posted by ChasingPeace
I have similar views. I believe portions of the Bible are divinely inspired, but I do not believe the Bible is a literal inerrant dictation from God, or a literal inerrant historical record. I agree with you that many seem to worship the Bible instead of God. I'd also like to make an comparision with the Bible to the Qur'an in Islam. The Qur'an, it is believed by Muslims, is a relevation from God. In other words, through the words of the Qur'an, God reveals himself, his qualities, his essence to humanity--a way for humanity to know God. I don't believe the Bible can be seen as having the same purpose in Christianity. I think the true "revelation of God" in Christianity is Jesus. IT is through Jesus that God reveals his qualities and essence to humanity. Does that make sense?
Thank you for this- beautiful and simple and IMO true.
post #25 of 76
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Originally Posted by Europeanmom
But Queen's original comment about worshipping the Bible more than worshipping God is interesting.
Jesus said (John 5:39-40): You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
Fascinating and very wise.
post #26 of 76
Psalm 111:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding, to him belongs eternal praise.

I don't think anyone worships the Bible. God has given us the Bible to show us how to live, teach about Jesus, find comfort from reading His word, teach us about his charactaristics, history, and wisdom.

Proverbs 3:5-7 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes, fear the Lord and shun evil.

When I want to strip the Bible of being God's holy word , I usually want to do so so that in the my heart I can justify something in my life that isn't what God would have me do. It is much easier to say that the Bible isn't God's holy word, the bible was written for another time, the Bible is a myth, than to look into my own heart for my motive for doing so.

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I believe the bible was inspired by God, isinerant and true. i believe it is the wondow to Gods heart and is useful for teaching and reproving. I belive the things said are to be taken literally. I believe it is Holy but that doesn't mean i worship it. I worship God.
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post #28 of 76
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Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders
But please don't assume that those of us that don't believe in it need to look into our own hearts ... it's actually pretty insensitive, again, in my opinion.
Yes, quite. And judgemental.
post #29 of 76
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When I want to strip the Bible of being God's holy word , I usually want to do so so that in the my heart I can justify something in my life that isn't what God would have me do. It is much easier to say that the Bible isn't God's holy word, the bible was written for another time, the Bible is a myth, than to look into my own heart for my motive for doing so.
maybe the motive for doing so is that Spirit is guiding us in a different direction ... it happens.

mandi
post #30 of 76
People understand and apply the wisdom of the Bible in different ways. Stripped down even.
post #31 of 76
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Originally Posted by chersolly
It's the longest running "telephone" game ever.
It's the songiest turning "elephant" game ever.

I think the bible is just like what my Jesuit religion teachers taught me - it's myth for the most part not to be taken literally but to be taken for its lessons. They even taught us that each of the 4 gospels were written for the purpose of converting specific groups of people and since each of those groups has different needs the stories change from gospel to gospel. If I still believed I would also say it was divinely inspired.

But I've learned I somehow fell in to an extremely liberal Catholic high school (although it didn't seem like it at the time.) They even admitted there's no historical proof that Jesus even existed. And that evolution was not incompatible with belief in God.
post #32 of 76
Surpised no one yet has rolled the following into the mix....

Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible

"The hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

"The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.

"We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or complete historical precision,” they say in The Gift of Scripture.

"The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the religious Right, in particular in the US.

More here:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...811332,00.html
post #33 of 76
Thank you for gracing our humble Religious Studies board, RD!

from that article:

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The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, they say, but continue: “We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in other, secular matters.”
How do they know some of it is true and some isn't? LOL A vote, like the one that determined women were human? Which was a squeaker.

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As examples of passages not to be taken literally, the bishops cite the early chapters of Genesis, comparing them with early creation legends from other cultures, especially from the ancient East.
Um, no duh. Seminarians learn this in school, but usually try not to share it with the flocks.

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The bishops say it is clear that the primary purpose of these chapters was to provide religious teaching and that they could not be described as historical writing.

Similarly, they refute the apocalyptic prophecies of Revelation, ...
Wow! I know that this book was the last one canonized, and now it is in hot water again. Love it!

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The bishops say: “Such symbolic language must be respected for what it is, and is not to be interpreted literally.
Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism, just like Spong.

True: the Virgin Birth

What, that one doesn't bear a resemblance to "legends from other cultures" as well? As does the dying and rising god-man. Hm, looks like the Bishops know just what to save and what not to.

Untrue:

Genesis iii, 16

God said to the woman [after she was beguiled by the serpent]: “I will greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”

Wow, ladies, we're off the hook! No more pain in chidlbirth (BTW, that's also translated as labor, like what Adam has to do in the fields). No more husbands ruling over us! Yay!

Hey Bishops, which one of these is true?:

Go forth and multiply

or

It is better for man not to marry
post #34 of 76
Come on now DarLLL, Rome was not built in a day.

I'm actually quite surprised by them and then not really. Revelation has long been in debate in the Catholic Church. And most of what the article says, I was taught in my Catholic high school some 20 years ago.
post #35 of 76
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Originally Posted by lisalou
And most of what the article says, I was taught in my Catholic high school some 20 years ago.
Ditto. Them smartpants Jesuit types.
post #36 of 76
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When I want to strip the Bible of being God's holy word , I usually want to do so so that in the my heart I can justify something in my life that isn't what God would have me do. It is much easier to say that the Bible isn't God's holy word, the bible was written for another time, the Bible is a myth, than to look into my own heart for my motive for doing so.
What happens when God puts something in someone's heart that is inconsistent with the Bible? I look at the Bible, especially the OT, and I see tremendous amounts of bloodshed, genocide, animal sacrifice, circumcision, and I simply cannot believe it is from God. If God is bloodthirsty, I cannot love Him or worship Him. I must believe that at least some of the Bible is man-made, or I must hate God. I choose to love the Creator, and deny the teaching of men. If God created us all, why would he tell 'this group of people' to go out and kill all of 'that other group of people'? Why would He have new parents make a bloody sacrifice of their newborn son? I sense evil.

I have had God's presence in my life, and He is nothing but peace.
post #37 of 76
My first serious study of the bible was in high school literature class. Great way to read it for sure!

*I was raised in a very Presbyterian home and went to a very liberal church summer camp each year, thus my late introduction to "bible study" :LOL
post #38 of 76
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Originally Posted by AngelBee
I believe that people wrote it but it is still the word of God.
Then why hasn't there been anything added? Surely God knows what is going on and would like to tell us something, right?
post #39 of 76
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Originally Posted by QueenOfThePride
What happens when God puts something in someone's heart that is inconsistent with the Bible? I look at the Bible, especially the OT, and I see tremendous amounts of bloodshed, genocide, animal sacrifice, circumcision, and I simply cannot believe it is from God. If God is bloodthirsty, I cannot love Him or worship Him. I must believe that at least some of the Bible is man-made, or I must hate God. I choose to love the Creator, and deny the teaching of men. If God created us all, why would he tell 'this group of people' to go out and kill all of 'that other group of people'? Why would He have new parents make a bloody sacrifice of their newborn son? I sense evil.
I had similar issues and I needed to try to resolve them somewhat when I was engaged to my dh since he is Jewish. The Old Testament always seemed cold to me adn parts of it barbaric.

One small insight that I learned during a course I took was that we need to look at the Old Testament with the lense of a person living in the time that it 'existed' (we can leave that debate out(-; ). I had a hard time with animal sacrafice, for example. When the rabbi explained that I needed to remember that people were more connected to their livestock then we are typically today- that the sacrafice was of something that really meant something to them- a lamb or calf was something that was cared for daily by the family. That animal's sacrafice also meant that a days worth, weeks worth or whatever of food and sustenance was also sacraficed.

So it wasn't the blind crass, just go and kill a lamb thing that I had envisioned myself.

I'm not sure if that will help anyone else- but it helped me a bit.

As for the original question. I totally agree that the book is written by man. I totally view the Torah and the Christian bibles with a historical, cultural, and political lense.

Jessica
post #40 of 76
Jessica- A serious question- how can you have a view of the torah? Have you ever learned torah? Or did you mean the "old testament"? If that's what you mean, if that's what your knowledge and experience comes from, then please say "old testament" and leave the torah out of it.
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