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post #41 of 80

help have to night wean

I have a baby 16 mo old whom is still a strong nurser she is due for some dental work on May 23 sh ehas extensise nursing decay. I HAVE TO WEAN. the problem sher wont go to sleep or stay asleep she screams terribel kicking me hitting me if she does finally fall asleep she is up with in a hour scream and pulling at my shirt HELP!!!!!!!!!! this seems so tramatic for her.
post #42 of 80
Please don't wean simply because of decay, PLEASE talk to Smilemomma on the dental boards, plus there are tons of people whos babies (mine included!) have decay and its NOT because of breastfeeding as the ill-informed dentists would like you to belive...
post #43 of 80
Just to give an opposing view -

I did choose to night wean b/c of tooth decay. Though most children can night nurse and have perfectly healthy teeth (like my oldest ds) some children pool milk in their mouth while night nursing. This milk may then cause tooth decay (as was the case in my youngest ds).

I do encourage you to talk with smilemama in the dental form and come to your own conclusions.

For me, I felt it was not harmful to nightwean if there was even a possiblity it would help stop the tooth decay. I did it at around age 18 mos and he the decay has not progressed any since I stopped.

If you want to talk with me about it one on one feel free to pm me

I use the Dr. Jay Gordon's method. Here is a link: http://www.drjaygordon.com/ap/sleep.htm

There are lots of old threads on nightweaning also. Here are some links back to them:



and now before people start
post #44 of 80

Don't abruptly stop those night-nursings!

At least not if your only concern is the decay. My dd is 20 mths and got 4 cavities by 12 mths- she started getting teeth at 9.5 mths. They were all decayed to the root by 14 mths when I took her to the dentist. At 15 mths we took her to a dentist who put stuff on the decayed teeth to dtop the decay and gave us Rx toothpaste to use 2x a day. He also told me to *try* to stop night-nursing and to cut back on snacking/nursing during the day. I have not night-weaned Kodi due to her getting hysterical when I try, and she still nurses frequently during the day, BUT no decay more decay has shown up so far! The last time we went to the dentist was about 3 mths ago, but I cannot see any decay in her other teeth. Night-nursing *can* be a culprit, however it is certainly not the only cause! There are so many other things you can do to reduce the risks of cavities. I think abrupt night-weaning is not necessary, and there are gentler alternatives. Have you read the No Cry Sleep Solution by Elizabeth Pantley? it is on www.amazon.com for about $11.00. I just started reading it and it sounds great!!!! I have heard of other families who had awesome results- so maybe give that a try. It is not a quick-fix, but letting them cry often results in setbacks, and IMO it is not worth it- I have tried it and variations numerous times. Good luck! I know how hard it is to not know what to do and to be desperate for answers!
post #45 of 80
Did you have her teeth fixed. We are due to have our dd fixed. The decay continues no matter what i use I am SOOOOOOO confused dont know if fixing them is the right choice UGGGHH
I am so afraid for her.
post #46 of 80
We haven't had her teeth fixed yet. They out Duraphat
on the decayed ones, and that is what I mainly attribute
to stopping the decay. We also use a Rx toothpaste 2x a
day, though she has gotten so difficult about having her teeth
brushed that I can usually only get them done 1 time a day b/c
it is just impossible to do it by myself! Have you tried the Duraphat? We are waiting for her molars to come in and then we
will pull them. The other option is root canals, and I think that is just not the best choice for us. I am SO dreading getting them fixed- she is completely hysterical at the dentist, I have a feeling we won't be able to even take her in the waiting room, we'll have to wait outside for them to come get us! And so far they haven;t done anything but look at her teeth and apply the Duraphat (sticky stuff that is easy to put on). I don't no what to tell you!: Have you read the No Cry Sleep Solution? I am reading it and it has some great ideas for night-weaning, even for toddlers. HTH! Good luck!
post #47 of 80
No i havent tried the paste it wasnt even offered to us. We are gonna have them fixed next week I cant see pulling all her teeth she is so little and she needs them molars to guide the adult teeth. It is really confusing. I wish you the best luck
post #48 of 80

The No Cry Sleep Solution

I'm so glad for the post about this. I tried the Jay Gordon method but I wasn't able to totally commit myself to doing it. I went out and bought this Elizabeth Pantly's book yesterday and I love it! Ds slept well last week and I realize now that we were doing some of the suggestions without realizing it. Then when I went back to old patterns he fell back into bad sleep habits again. Definitely look into it, it's the best $15 I've ever spent besides my bf class before ds was born
post #49 of 80
Outlawmama, there's a post here (really quite a few!) that discusses weaning to decrease caries. It's something like "20 month old with cavities; dentist says to wean". Can't remember exactly, but a search should find it. The archives has some good info, too.

You do not have to wean to prevent cavities. I know I am not exactly who you wanted to answer your post, but I had to reply. Unless you and your son are ready, there's no dental reason to do so.

Check out the posts that discuss types of nursers (dawdlers like your son), and caries control ~after~ the restoration.

It can be done!
post #50 of 80

Need information on breastfeeding and dental carries

Hello. I'm a newbie here so please please please help.

My 2 1/2 yo daughter was diagnosed with baby-bottle mouth (which was quickly changed to the term nursing carries once the dentist found out we breastfed). Had a second opinion and the same diagnosis (nursing carries).

Dentist #1 was a true anti-breastfeeder and told me that I had to stop nursing immediately and that I would adjust and so would my child.

Dentist #2 was a bit more understanding but still recommended that I stop nursing.

My child nurses maybe twice a day more often than not once a day. I don't want to stop nursing because she is not ready.

Can anyone point me to articles and other information that I can refer dentist #2 to read; that I can send detnist #1 to tell her that she knows nothing; and to give my ever supportive pediatrician so she'll be armed (she was so crushed when I told her about dd's teeth and the recommendation to stop nursing. She even said nurse her then have her drink water to rinse the mouth of any milk that may have pooled).

We're having the teeth filled, capped, etc... next Monday. We're doing general anesthesia because of the number of teeth affected. #1 said let's do it two times with local; #2 said general anesthesia all at once especially with a child of my daughter's age.

Ideas on what to do for continued nursing to ensure that the carries/cavities don't return or worsen or that the few reamining "good" teeth don't become "bad"?

I know I rambled but I've been trying to hold myself together and I'm starting to unravel.

Please help me :
post #51 of 80
The current issue of Mothering magazine has an excellent article on this. I suggest you read it and print out a copy for your dentist.

Good Luck!
post #52 of 80
Hi Gooseysma! Welcome to the boards!

I second the current Mothering article. I can't think of any other articles right off the top of my head, but there's an awful lot of *information* on this board that you can challenge them with.

On the title page to the Dental board, you'll see the dental archives. Click on that, and you'll find every post from this board, arranged by topic ("BF and dental caries", "told to wean?", "GA and dental work", etc).

I hope this helps! Good luck to you both on Monday. Please post back if there is anything specific we can help with!
post #53 of 80

Baby tooth decay

My baby (17 mths) seems to have tooth decay. The enamel on two of her top incisors appears to be coming off and the soft brown stuff underneath hurts when I touch it. I did some research and this seems to be caused by prolonged bottle sucking, honeyed pacifiers and sugar drinks. Well she has never had a bottle or pacifier and only drinks breastmilk or water from a cup. I am so worried that this could be a sign of something wrong with her bones at worst at best I am deeply concerned about taking her to the dentist, we self care for just about everything. I have found an amalgam free dentist so will probably take her there but it would still involve sedating her and giving pain killers. I am so upset. I just read something that said caries can also be caused by prolonged nursing especially at night - well she practically sleeps on the breast. I am afraid they will put me under pressure to wean her - I don't see how this can be done without causing major trauma. Any advice would be really appreciated. Thanks.

post #54 of 80
Ouch! I've been there with dd, many more bf-ing mamas have been there with their children. It's probably decay alright, and it can happen even though you bf. Check the archives (top of the forum entry page), it has good sections on cavities in bf-ing children where you can find most of the info you'll need for now, and DON'T feel guilty! Some people just get cavities no matter what they take in. And try to find a copy of the last issue (July) of Mothering, it has a LOT of information on exactly this topic.

I'm playing smilemomma's self-appointed assistant here She'll probably tell you the same once her twins allow her to dig through her forums, but I've been in your place and know how important it is to get some quick reply. Again, look in the Dental Archives, and good luck to you and your dd.
post #55 of 80
My dd has this, too. It also affected the 2 teeth on the sides, but to a lesser degree. She's 2.5 yo now (this started a little over a year ago) and tho those 4 teeth are sensitive to really cold things, they're not too sensitive to brush. I talked to a dentist abt it when it 1st started, and he said they could cap them, but he'd wait til she was 2 and that we'd have to stop nursing. Well, I had liked him until he said that! We're still nursing a year later and the teeth are just brown nubs, but we're not too concerned. Apparently, a cousin had the same problem as a toddler and they pulled his teeth, but his adult teeth are just fine.

I'm still researching this, but so far, we're leaving her mouth as is.
Don't let the dentists freak you out.
post #56 of 80
The decay is painful for the child, and can cause serious problems, possible heart problems, plus all the toxins from rotting teeth. My child had it on one tooth because she chipped it and then was nursing, it was filled and capped (under anesthesia) and then a couple of years later, since the cap irritated the gums, it abcessed and had to be pulled. Now after the surgery I brushed after nursing or at least had her drink water. It is so important to take care of their teeth, it is downright sad for a child to be in pain and later on called the kid with brown teeth when described in a new circle of children. Plus it can really effect the permanent teeth if left to fester. Good luck. It is a challenge and kind of scary.
post #57 of 80

My son had the same problem

Before he was 2 he had serious dental work done. We have an excellent dentist, and felt comfortable with the work that was done although he did have to go under anesthesia. The teeth were causing him pain, which was getting constantly worse, and the teeth seemed to be disappearing right before our eyes. I have to admit, the appearance bothered me. When he smiled, my eyes were drawn to the rotting front teeth. If they didn't hurt him and there wasn't the danger of abscess and decay of the adult teeth that were growing, I wouldn't have had the work done though.
We had stopped night nursing at about 18 months but that didn't seem to help. After I stopped nursing which was not too long after the work was done, the teeth just stopped decaying. Over a year and a half later there has been no further decay, and not even one more cavity. I didn't believe that breast milk was a contributor at the time but I am starting to think so now.
post #58 of 80
AuNaturel: Have you seen the last Mothering? If not, read it. It'll help you realize that your breastmilk did not, in any way, contribute to the state of your son's teeth.

And by last, I mean previous to the most recent. I'm wordy.
post #59 of 80

will extended breastfeeding/night nursing cause cavities?

My daughter is almost fifteen months and is getting her molars. She still mainly eats breastmilk and nurses a lot at night. Does that make her at risk for dental cavities? I tried to research it, but don't have any time and seem to find very contradicting facts. I am very worried now, and am thinking of night'weaning, and am brushing her teeth twice a day (Is that often enough?)
i will really appreciate your advice.
post #60 of 80
the answer is NO
Tho some people have weak teeth, and nursing at night will just as likely cause cavities as not nursing

Check the archives (link on top in the main dental page), it has several threads about nursing and teeth.

Or read the recent Mothering mag, July 2002, with excellent info.

(sorry to seem short. I just don't have much time ~ and i'm actually very tall )
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