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post #21 of 50
Our ds is intact.

Our Bradley teacher said it wasn't necessary and it harms the baby.

On our own we finally came up with this thought: "Who's penis is it?" It's his. By leaving him intact; we have forever left him a choice. If as a grown-up he wants to do it, then it's his choice. Not mine. not hubbie's.
post #22 of 50
My son is cut. I regret it. I did not want to do it, but at the time I didn't think it was that important and my DH wanted it done. I tried to talk him out of it but not as hard as I should have done. I left the decision up to my DH because he's got a penis. I should have protected my baby son instead. It's not something I agonize over every day, but let me say that I am very glad this baby is a girl so we don't have to go through it again.

There is no reason to do it. Plain and simple. Makes no freaking sense.
post #23 of 50
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Originally Posted by MrsAngelic
We circumcise for religious reasons on the 8th day when clotting is at it's best and we're going with a Mohel. Since all they do is circumcisions they really know what they are doing, fast with no clamps or tying down. Was really hard to find one that took non-jewish babies, 6 hour drive.

Pardon the intrusion from an outsider to the thread (as in not-a-March 2006 mamas2be ) but the religious reasons on the 8th day are specifically Jewish reasons. If you're Christian, see this thread for necessary information.




Since nobody else pointed it out, it seemed necessary.

post #24 of 50
Thread Starter 
Thank You everyone for your support. I agree that it should be the childs choice as it is his penis. We left dd the way she was born and I intend to do the same if we have a son.
post #25 of 50
Luckily, this is not even an issue at my house. My husband is uncircumcised, which was very unusual for our part of the country in the '70s. He was the first uncirc'd man I ever met. As for the people that say it's ugly, I think they are WAY exaggerating things. Yeah, it looks a little unusual at first, but it's NOT ugly! I love his little turtleneck

I have one sister that sort of freaked when I told her that we will not be circumcising if we ever have a boy. She used to be a nursing student, and said she witnessed an operation where a 17-year old had to be circumcised because he got infected. I was like, "well, DH is 30, and it hasn't been an issue for him!" My MIL had a great comeback, when people used to tell her that DH's penis would be harder to keep clean: "What other body parts are we going to start cutting off because we're too lazy to clean them??"

I understand, to a degree, the people who circ for religious reasons. What I really hate is when people do it because 1) they want the baby to look like the father, or 2) for social reasons. My Bradley teacher personally doesn't really want to circ their upcoming child, should it be a boy, but the husband does, so she is making him do all the work concerning it, as in finding the person to do it, taking him there, taking care of it, etc. The man said he wants to circ his son because of "locker room" issues (he was an athlete). I asked my husband what he thought of that (he was never an athlete, but took P.E. classes). He said nobody he knew ever spent time in the locker room looking at other guys' penises, so he didn't get that at all :LOL

The Penn and Teller episode on circumcising was great, BTW!
post #26 of 50
no circing for us. i made that decision at age 20 when i saw my first circ being done to a baby and i had to assist, absolutely heartbreaking, they didn't use anything but sugar water on a binky for pain then (some still don't).

i still hate assisting in circs and don't ask parents if they want one either. if they ask, fine, but i don't bring it up. if they ask my opinion, i tell them. i have changed 2 peoples minds so far that i know of (patients).

my DH isn't circ'd so that was one hurdle i didn't have to argue about.

i think babies are born perfect and there is no way i would allow a son of mine to be circ'd.
post #27 of 50
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Originally Posted by Mrs Dimples
My son is cut. I regret it. I did not want to do it, but at the time I didn't think it was that important and my DH wanted it done. I tried to talk him out of it but not as hard as I should have done. I left the decision up to my DH because he's got a penis. I should have protected my baby son instead. It's not something I agonize over every day, but let me say that I am very glad this baby is a girl so we don't have to go through it again.

There is no reason to do it. Plain and simple. Makes no freaking sense.
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post #28 of 50
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Originally Posted by merpk
Pardon the intrusion from an outsider to the thread (as in not-a-March 2006 mamas2be ) but the religious reasons on the 8th day are specifically Jewish reasons. If you're Christian, see this thread for necessary information.




Since nobody else pointed it out, it seemed necessary.

hmm... I see you really try to force your beliefs. I am not Christian or Jewish, I am a Nazarene. I saw your link and found it very aggressive. It is great to share your view, but let's try and do it in a non-assaultive manner, not degrading those that don't agree with you. Thank you.
post #29 of 50
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Originally Posted by MrsAngelic
hmm... I see you really try to force your beliefs. I am not Christian or Jewish, I am a Nazarene. I saw your link and found it very aggressive. It is great to share your view, but let's try and do it in a non-assaultive manner, not degrading those that don't agree with you. Thank you.

Am in awe that you were offended by my post. Sorry. Didn't think it was assaultive or even aggressive. But then again, it's a common stereotype that my people are aggressive, so hey. Thereyago.

And the thread I posted was not my beliefs. I'm not Christian.

Actually, I thought that I was being polite and helpful. If you'd like to PM me and explain how I wasn't or what was insulting or offensive about my post or the link, I'd appreciate the education. For the future, that sort of thing.

post #30 of 50
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Originally Posted by merpk
Am in awe that you were offended by my post. Sorry. Didn't think it was assaultive or even aggressive. But then again, it's a common stereotype that my people are aggressive, so hey. Thereyago.

And the thread I posted was not my beliefs. I'm not Christian.

Actually, I thought that I was being polite and helpful. If you'd like to PM me and explain how I wasn't or what was insulting or offensive about my post or the link, I'd appreciate the education. For the future, that sort of thing.

Thanks for bringing this up. I know you are only trying to give us more information, not offend us. The more information we have to make our decision with, the better (IMHO).

Jill
post #31 of 50
Is there anybody who is going to circ? Everyone seems so strongly oriented not to, I hope there isn't anyone who is, but doesn't feel comfortable saying so since so many people said they weren't. Of course some will do for religious reasons but anyone for other reasons?

And I'm not personally one that would do it for religious reasons, but at least in that context, the infant is around loving people, not in a nursery away from its family.
post #32 of 50
thanks, amy. you *know* how i feel, & i thought you were being quite sweet & helpful.

susan
post #33 of 50
I like this website for circ info (it's the first one that I found when researching circ) www.mothersagainstcirc.org
When I started researching circ I was already pretty sure I wouldn't circ my baby but after reading all about it I was POSITIVE I wouldn't.
post #34 of 50
I have posted my story lots of times. Sorry if your reading it again. I will not circumcise any of my sons. I was going to with my first but found MDC. I had no reason to other than I thought it was better to do it. No real reason though. My husband was not for it or against it. That was the easy part compared to some others here. I wonder what claims your husband can come up with that it is okay to do it. Ask him to do some research bc you need to know where each other stands and what grounds you have.


MrsAngelic~ can you let me know about your religious beliefs. I relaly don't know much about the Nazarene. Feel free to let me know privately or on here. Which ever you feel comfortable. Thanks
post #35 of 50
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Originally Posted by RedOakMomma
However....ugh. I hate to even talk about this. I have two boys with pretty severe delays, and at 3.5 years they're still in diapers. I have noticed that their foreskins are getting red and a little inflamed more often as they get older (yes, of course, I wash them very well and bathe them regularly). It's not a big deal, nothing that a little protective salve or neosporin won't fix, but it does make me sad to open up a diaper and see what looks to me to be a painful little spot on their foreskin. Part of me wishes (just sometimes) that we had had them circumcised. I dunno. I guess if it ever becomes a real problem we could opt for the surgery when they're older--at least then they'd get real pain relief and anesthesia!

Hi RedOakMama,

I know you're not the OP on this thread, but I couldn't read your post and not comment. I honestly think you're still looking at the foreskin as some unnecessary, extraneous bit of skin. If you had gotten them circumcised, and they had a sore spot on their penis--then what would you do? Would you have them re-circumcised? Please don't read hostility into my words. My intent is not to anger you, but to help you see a different point of view; the view that your sons foreskins are important in the way an ear or leg is important.

Okay, back to reading this thread so hopefully I can offer the OP some good advice.

~Nay--who spent her entire pregnancy researching circumcision vs. leaving him intact, and chose--Intact!
post #36 of 50
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Originally Posted by hrutledge
Thank You everyone for your support. I agree that it should be the childs choice as it is his penis. We left dd the way she was born and I intend to do the same if we have a son.

Glad to hear that.

If you have a strong stomach, here is a link to a video of an actual circumcision. http://www.intact.ca/video.html

This is the video my sister watched with me. Before watching it she was pro-circ and wondering why we didn't have Antonin circumcised. After the procedure was finished and the baby in the video lie there shrieking I turned to her and asked," Is that what we should have done to Antonin?" Her response was running to the bathroom to puke. It is that horrible.

I have a webpage about circumcision. Maybe you would like to show your husband? http://www.huluhae.com/antonin&anticirc.html

Best!
~Nay
post #37 of 50
The following web sites and books are just a few of the excellent sources for more circumcision information:

www.nocirc.org
www.noharmm.org
www.norm.org
www.cirp.org
www.circumcision.org

A Doctor Re-examines Circumcision by Thomas J. Ritter, M.D. and George C. Denniston, M.D.

What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Circumcision by Paul Fleiss, M.D. and Frederick M. Hodges, D.Phil

Questioning Circumcision - A Jewish Perspective by Ronald Goldman, Ph.D.

Sex As Nature Intended It by Kristen O'Hara with Jeffery O'Hara


My DS is intact, as is my DH. All future sons will be too, of course. The United States is really the only country with such a high routine infant circumcision rate [which is rapidly declining], and even the AAP have now admitted that there are no medical benefits to circumcision.

You wouldn't cut out your baby's kidneys because of *possible* future risks of kidney stones or the tonsils because of *possible* future risks of tonsilitis, right?

I have a medical background. The foreskin is an organ with important functions. Cutting it off has severe effects, physically and psychologically [see the links above]. Why mess with perfection?
post #38 of 50
There are no positives from hacking off a chunk of penis. None. Zip. Don't do it. Don't allow it to be done. Protect your sons like you protect your daughters.

-Angela
post #39 of 50
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Originally Posted by alegna
There are no positives from hacking off a chunk of penis. None. Zip. Don't do it. Don't allow it to be done. Protect your sons like you protect your daughters.

-Angela
post #40 of 50
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Originally Posted by RedOakMomma
I have two boys with pretty severe delays, and at 3.5 years they're still in diapers. I have noticed that their foreskins are getting red and a little inflamed more often as they get older (yes, of course, I wash them very well and bathe them regularly). It's not a big deal, nothing that a little protective salve or neosporin won't fix, but it does make me sad to open up a diaper and see what looks to me to be a painful little spot on their foreskin. Part of me wishes (just sometimes) that we had had them circumcised. I dunno. I guess if it ever becomes a real problem we could opt for the surgery when they're older--at least then they'd get real pain relief and anesthesia!
I don't want to hijack the thread, but we help many Moms with problems such as this at Mothering's circumcision forum "The Case Against Circumcision" and I feel certain we can help you as well. Please visit with us and tell your story and let's see if we can help you with your sons.



Frank
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