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post #41 of 50
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Originally Posted by MrsAngelic
hmm... I see you really try to force your beliefs. I am not Christian or Jewish, I am a Nazarene. I saw your link and found it very aggressive. It is great to share your view, but let's try and do it in a non-assaultive manner, not degrading those that don't agree with you. Thank you.
I thought Nazarenes were Christian? An offshoot of Methodist? And Amy circs her kids for religious reasons, so I highly doubt she'd try to offend anyone who does the same. If you're not Christian, then there's no reason to be offended. And if you are, well, then, you should understand that the OP in that post Amy linked to wrote that as a spin-off of another thread that I think got pretty heated, so that's why her tone was a little, um, not so nice. It's quite common around here to find moms who believe in circing for religious reasons (and many who whave), yet are opposed to routine infant circumcision. Nothing wrong w/ trying to pass info on to make sure people are making an educated decision. Anywho... I'll boogie out of here now and I won't be back!
post #42 of 50
Not to beat a dead horse, but I had dug this up for a friend in the past. Christians do not need to circ their sons.

Here's the link.

http://www.noharmm.org/christianparent.htm
post #43 of 50
....Ummmm....thanks for the offers of help, and I appreciate the non-aggressive tones (). Mothering my boys is sort of case-specific, I think even more so than "typical" mothering, and we're just making our way through as best we know how. I doubt I would ever opt to have any of my boys circumcised, but I am glad that there's always an option later in life. I know that's offensive to some, but again--you'd have to be here in our house, in our shoes. Neither of my boys speak, and neither of them have the faculties to clean themselves. If at some point their foreskins become a hindrance to them (and I really doubt it will), it's a surgery I consider "optional." Unfortunately our boys will never be able to choose for themselves (something many people here talk about as an option for their adult sons).... if at some point in their lives we do the evaluating and decide a circumcised penis is best for them, then that's a difficult choice we'll make.

I'd really appreciate it the discussion of my sons' case is dropped. I realize I shouldn't have brought it up if I didn't want to defend my words, but honestly--I just don't have the emotional energy to start defending the difficult choices that *might* occur when I'm parenting two severely disabled boys. Thanks, all. Again, I appreciated your kinds words and offers of advice/help.
post #44 of 50
I didn't know if you realized we have a circ forum, but this thread would be more appropriate over there. Sending you there now.
post #45 of 50
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Originally Posted by hrutledge
I do not feel that I have the right to circumsize my child.

Exactly, honey. Stand up for your baby.
post #46 of 50
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Originally Posted by hrutledge
Ok mamas pleae help me out here. Cases for/against cutting. I do not feel that I have the right to circumsize my child. I feel that it is purely cosmetic and therefore not my right as it is not my penis. I have no one in my support circle including dh who agrees with me. Honestly at this point hoping for a girl so it's not an issue
Why isn't it an issue if you have girl?
Apply those same reasons to a boy.
post #47 of 50
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Originally Posted by RedOakMomma
....Ummmm....thanks for the offers of help, and I appreciate the non-aggressive tones (). Mothering my boys is sort of case-specific, I think even more so than "typical" mothering, and we're just making our way through as best we know how. I doubt I would ever opt to have any of my boys circumcised, but I am glad that there's always an option later in life. I know that's offensive to some, but again--you'd have to be here in our house, in our shoes. Neither of my boys speak, and neither of them have the faculties to clean themselves. If at some point their foreskins become a hindrance to them (and I really doubt it will), it's a surgery I consider "optional." Unfortunately our boys will never be able to choose for themselves (something many people here talk about as an option for their adult sons).... if at some point in their lives we do the evaluating and decide a circumcised penis is best for them, then that's a difficult choice we'll make.
Your doubts that it will ever be necessary are most likely right. However, you may be given wrong information by medical providers such as retracting young boys to clean inside the foreskin, circumcision for phimosis and circumcision for treatment of infections instead of simple antibiotics. We hope you will use this forum as a resource for information.

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I'd really appreciate it the discussion of my sons' case is dropped. I realize I shouldn't have brought it up if I didn't want to defend my words, but honestly--I just don't have the emotional energy to start defending the difficult choices that *might* occur when I'm parenting two severely disabled boys. Thanks, all. Again, I appreciated your kinds words and offers of advice/help.
Nobody here in The Case Against Circumcision wants you to defend your words, we want to help you with your son's forskin problems with legitimate medical information. We're on the same page with you.


Frank
post #48 of 50
To the OP: One thing that has been said before on other threads (but not on this one... unless I missed it ) is that it is the responsibility of the parent who wants to have the son go through major cosmetic surgery who needs to prove why it needs to be done. You do not need to prove a thing. If your dh can find you one solid medical reason/study/etc. why it should be done (and if you can't argue against it, then we can definitely help you there!) then you can agree to have it done.

The truth is that there are no solid medical reasons to have it done. There are cosmetic reasons and religious reasons. Honestly though, why would someone put a child through a serious surgery for cosmetic reasons? Let's just tattoo mom's name on his bicep while we're at it. Or pierce his belly button. Or chop off his ears so we don't have to wash behind them!

Circing itself brings more risk of infection at least at first. Let's give the baby a surgery where the wound in question has to heal while being covered with a diaper and fecal matter Sounds like a great recipe for an infection and a lot of pain for the baby, not to mention work for the mother who has to try to keep the wound clean and uninfected.

When the baby isn't circed, there's no wound to clean, there's no extra care whatsoever (except in the pediatrician's office to watch out for the doctor's potential ignorance with regards to premature retraction). No pain for baby. No extra work for mom.

I'm very happy with my dh's intact penis and he has never had any trouble with it! In fact... I don't even quite grasp how a circed penis would even work I've never really been around one (except my little brothers... but I've never ever even TOUCHED one except to change my youngest brother's diaper). The circ rate around here is very low though. It just keeps getting lower too I'm lucky that my dh would just as soon chop his arm or leg off as circ a son if we have one! That's how much he appreciates the fact that his mother stood up for him when he was a baby. I'm almost positive that my FIL is circed and dh never even really noticed when he was growing up though he says he thinks his dad is... so it's really not a big deal to look like the father either. It can be very important to the father... but there are healthier ways of dealing with that issue than by mutilating the son!

love and peace.
post #49 of 50
's to RedOakMomma

love and peace.
post #50 of 50
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Let's just tattoo mom's name on his bicep while we're at it.
The bicep? Nahhhh, I'd rather do it right across his chest
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