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post #21 of 39
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Originally Posted by madtan
Sure the shot seems fine for most but what about the few who have reactions. Are they just forgotten about?
There are WAY more than a "few". And yes, by the medical/pharma industry they are largely forgotten or at least well hidden.

It's up to those who know what happened (these damaged kids' parents) to make sure they are not forgotten!
post #22 of 39
Sadly that is true, the numbers are astounding. I found the dtap reaction numbers to be laughable when I actually got out there and started talking to parents. When you hear the statistics, you think..oh the chances...then when you actually have it happen to you and meet others it has happened to, you begin to scratch your head and say..hmm...I somehow don't think this is coincidence that I'm meeting this many people who have had the same thing happen.

In my case, they showed how they skew those statistics. My daughter with her seizure was not even going to be counted as a reaction as my ped thought it was impossible even tho the hospital said it was most likely a reaction. I had to report it myself! That is one of the things that made me question things further when I began seeing the stats.
post #23 of 39
nak
Haven't read this thread yet, but had to comment on these quotes
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But that disturbing claim set a hare running. Understandably, frightened parents sent vaccination rates plummeting and gave private practitioners the opportunity to tout single vaccines that have never been shown to be effective.
I'm guessing that's referring to separate m m r shots. Never been shown to be effective? oh, well then I'll just run out and get the combo shot.

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Measles has very nasty complications including encephalitis, ear infections and pneumonia. One in six children who suffer measles encephalitis will die and up to half of those who survive will be left with brain damage.
yeah, but isn't the rate of encephalitis like 1 in 2,000?

ok- on to read the rest of the thread.
post #24 of 39
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Originally Posted by madtan
My son was a normal, healthy child until he turned 1 and got his MMR shot. He went from saying a few words to saying nouthing at all. He had great eye contact and now he avoids all eye contact. He started spinning his toys instead of playing w them.
I'm so sorry to hear your story
So how can "they" say it's just a coincidence? That both just happen at the same time- no connection between the 2? I think it's strange that the MMR shot is KNOWN to be more effective (according to pro vaxers) when given at 18 mos (98%), but they give it regularly at 12 mos (95%).

http://www.update-software.com/abstracts/AB004407.htm
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Data collection and analysis: We identified 139 articles possibly satisfying our inclusion criteria and included 31 in the review.
so, 31 out of 139. How is that enough? And they don't ever say how many studies they started with. But definitely less than 1/5th. I think if I did a study, and only included 1/5th of the info, I could definitely have whatever outcome I wanted.
post #25 of 39
I don't care about what other people say........I have all the proof I need sitting right here on my lap. He is the sweetest little guy and he has all my support. I will be doing all I can to let others Know what happened to my son and I will try to help things change for the better.
post #26 of 39
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Originally Posted by madtan
I don't care about what other people say........I have all the proof I need sitting right here on my lap. He is the sweetest little guy and he has all my support. I will be doing all I can to let others Know what happened to my son and I will try to help things change for the better.
I'm sorry if it seemed like I was disagreeing with you. Actually, I was TOTALLY agreeing with you. It's so sad that you have to deal with the lies and coverups when it comes to this. I commend you for wanting to spread the truth.
Again, I'm really sorry that this has happened to your family.
post #27 of 39
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"Public health decisions need to be based on sound evidence. If this principle had been applied in the case of the MMR dispute, we would have avoided all this fuss."
What sound evidence are the vx manufacturers providing that vaxes don't cause harm? Oh yeah, none, because proof is only required if you're concerned about your kids health.
post #28 of 39
sorry if you thought I was angry w you. I should have put a couple of emotions in there. I knew what you was saying . I was talking about the statistics and so called studies.
post #29 of 39
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Originally Posted by madtan
My son was a normal, healthy child until he turned 1 and got his MMR shot. He went from saying a few words to saying nouthing at all. He had great eye contact and now he avoids all eye contact. He started spinning his toys instead of playing w them. He also spins himself and doesn't play w other kids. Have you guessed it yet? Yep he is being evaluated for Autism.
Did your son get any shots with thimerosal? If so, have you looked into TD-DMPS? I read about it in the book "Evidence of Harm." Here is a website about it. http://www.tddmps.com/
post #30 of 39
Thanks for the information.......I will read the website.
post #31 of 39
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Originally Posted by Devaskyla
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"Public health decisions need to be based on sound evidence. If this principle had been applied in the case of the MMR dispute, we would have avoided all this fuss."
What sound evidence are the vx manufacturers providing that vaxes don't cause harm? Oh yeah, none, because proof is only required if you're concerned about your kids health.
And that's the point, because this stupid study admitted that the evidence was incomplete with missing data insufficiently explained, so exactly what principle is This doctor talking about? The shonky evidence the study admits to? The fact that pre license and post license data was totally inadequate???

Actually, the way I read it in the HTML , they located thousands of studies, whittled them down to 139 which looked to be reasonably 'scientific' and then ended up with a few handful about WHICH THEY STILL HAD RESERVATIONS...

So how Dr Stuckhead can say that they could have avoided the fuss by sticking to a principle which was never upheld in the first place, totally beats me.
post #32 of 39
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Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara
And that's the point, because this stupid study admitted that the evidence was bed, so exactly what principle is This doctor talking about? The bad evidence the study admits to?

Actually, the way I read it int he HTML , they located about 5,000 (or was it 3,000) studies, whittled that down to 139 and then ended up with a few handful OF WHICH THEY HAD RESERVATIONS...

So how Dr Stuckhead can say that they could have avoided the fuss by sticking to a principle which was never upheld in the first place, totally beats me.
Yeah, I think I read on UK Jabs site that they started with 3,000 studies and then selected 31 of those 139. Gee....so much bad science to be waded through. But this, we're supposed to believe this so called study?
post #33 of 39
Ack I went and changed mine after you'd quoted it... .. I should think before I leap, huh?
post #34 of 39
post #35 of 39
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I don't care about what other people say........I have all the proof I need sitting right here on my lap. He is the sweetest little guy and he has all my support. I will be doing all I can to let others Know what happened to my son and I will try to help things change for the better.
Bless your heart and your little guy.

It takes tremendous courage to come to places like this and share your story. I know how this feels to a point. My daughter so far has not suffered any ill effects past her seizure from her shots. I won't know till later of course for sure. I really feel for those parents who end up with damaged children or worse, dead . I also share my daughter's story to make sure folks know the other side to this vaccination push. Somehow, I feel I have a job to wake people up on this.

I wish you the best in life sweetie.
post #36 of 39

Here's my take

That the MMR had an effect on my boys that yes sent them 'over the edge' but it wasn't the MMR alone.
Having children born in the 90's generation with high level Thmerosal content, that set them up to have a reaction from the MMR that they might not have had if the mercury content was lower in other vax's than it is today. Make sense?
Even that being the case, I have decided my 4th child won't get the MMR as a precaution since in 2002, there were still some high dose Thimerosal vaccines out there, and she was vaxed for others.
I thought of doing MMR separately(can't get them here)but I'm not sure even that would be a good idea. Her immune system could still be skewed. Doing them separately, the measles could still remain in her gut whether its 3 in 1 or 1 at a time. Am I way off base thinking that?

julie
post #37 of 39
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Originally Posted by julieann199930
I thought of doing MMR separately(can't get them here)but I'm not sure even that would be a good idea. Her immune system could still be skewed. Doing them separately, the measles could still remain in her gut whether its 3 in 1 or 1 at a time. Am I way off base thinking that?

julie
No, you're not off base in thinking that.

I do believe, however, that some kids will develop autism after measles vaccination even if they've never had a shot with thimerosal in it. Some kids will be susceptible no matter what.
post #38 of 39
I though mercury wasn't the only problem... isn't aluminum and other vaccine ingredients also a possible cause of autism? So even if thimeresol is taken out, there could still be vaccine risks (http://www.petitiononline.com/NoMadVac/petition.html , http://www.altcorp.com/DentalInforma...umvaccines.htm, http://www.luminet.net/~wenonah/riddick/vaccine.htm).
post #39 of 39
i'm so sick of the media being lap dogs to the pharma companies and the governments - why don't they do just a little bit of the research us mothers do? And they way they treat parents as imbeciles who are just looking for someone to blame if our children have problems. Regression in autism is a scientifically proven phenonema - but no one knows WHY it happens. Er, that's probably because they don't want to look. My ds has gut problems and i am not even sure if a single measles vaccine is a good thing for him, because he already has the weakness in his gut. Can't find much research on that of course.
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