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I live in a community in SE Minnesota, about 4-5 hours from the Clarissa, MN area...where the 5 cases of polio have been diagnosed. Last week I was talking to an Amish man and asking if public health had been snoopin' around w/our Amish. They had in fact b/c our Amish go back and forth w/the Clarissa Amish. His children are all grown, but he said it frightened him to some extent. He said he was considering the flu shot for himself.

Anyhoo, I talked the man out of the shot. We also discussed other vax's etc. Now today I received a phone call from an ex-Amish man who had talked to this other Amish man (follow all that?!) and wanted some reassurance. He has 5 kids. Three vax'ed, the last 2 aren't. He says the younger two are way healthier so he doesn't even know why he's considering vax'ing, but he is. He's scared. Heck, I'm scared.

Well, we talked for close to half an hour. I didn't really have any hard core statistics to share w/him, just "gut feelings", yk? He made a few references to the Bible and how we need to put more trust in Him than in medicine.

I'm kind of rambling here. What I'm wondering if someone has some easy-to-read articles or books that I could refer this man to? I was thinking of the Mendohlson book about How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor. I don't know if this family has internet access so I was thinking of getting his mailing address and sending him some stuff. TIA!
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Maybe he would like printouts of the threads already here about the polio virus isolates in MN?
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And if they're getting scared of Avian flu since it is in the news so much a printout of this article might help them out:


POLLY WANT A FLU SHOT?by Andrew W. Saul

Reprinted with permission from the Doctor Yourself Newsletter, copyright 2005 by Andrew W. Saul. Dr. Saul is Contributing Editor for the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, and is the author of the books "Doctor Yourself: Natural Healing that Works" and "Fire Your Doctor! How to be Independently Healthy." His peer-reviewed natural healing website, http://www.doctoryourself.com , receives 35,000 hits per day.

My daughter's parakeet is in grave danger.

Need you ask why? Because the Bird Flu is coming!

With all this terrifying talk about bird flu, I have a lingering question: Has anyone thought about protecting the birds? Living near Lake Ontario, I regularly feed entirely too many seagulls. They come inland as well. Just this weekend, I fed a characteristically ravenous flock of them at an interstate highway parking lot. The gulls encircled me like a Hitchcock movie. Another time, I was ungraciously harassed by a renegade herd of emus that I was, perhaps unwisely, attempting to feed. I had to climb up onto some boulders to get out of range.

Nice ol' birds; they just wanted a nosh.

Too bad they are all going to die. And soon, too.

Yes, every one of them. There will not be a gull (or at the lake, a bouy) left standing. Surely, now, if bird flu is truly dangerous, the birds are at terrible risk. All of them. No more starlings. No more pigeons. Goodbye, Mr. Hawk. Goodbye, Mrs. Robin. No more Woody; no more "Beep-Beeps"; Donald is doomed.

And then there's all the gorgeous song birds, all those tiny little dickie birds, like the ones I've held in my hand while they were being banded: they are all dead meat.

What's that you say? That I'm exaggerating? That all the world's bird species are NOT condemned to get Bird Flu? Then I say, Ask yourself how that can be.

After all, no shots means no chance. Or at least that is the gist of our pharmaphilic government's and media's clanging presentations to the public.

Truth be told, this is nothing new. They've tried this before with the colossal Swine Flu panic some thirty years ago. Remember?

The U.S. Government cannot say without qualification that flu shots are either safe or essential.

Here is what the government of the United States said about the infamous Swine Flu vaccine, in a 1976 mass-distributed FDA Consumer Memo on the subject:

"Some minor side effects - tenderness in the arm, low fever, tiredness - will occur in less than 4% of (vaccinated) adults. Serious reactions from flu vaccines are very rare."

So much for blanket claims of safety, for many persons well remember the very numerous and very serious side effects of Swine Flu vaccine that forced the federal immunization program to a halt.

As far as being essential, in the same memo the FDA said this of the same vaccine:

"Question: What can be done to prevent an epidemic? Answer: The only preventive action we can take is to develop a vaccine to immunize the public against the virus. This will prevent the virus from spreading."

This was seen to be totally false; after all; the public immunization program was abruptly halted and still there was no epidemic of Swine Flu. If vaccination were the only defense, literally tens of millions of Americans should have been struck down with the Swine Flu, for a large percentage of the population of the U.S. was not vaccinated.

Surely there are other factors involved in prevention of illness or epidemic. But try telling that to allopathically-oriented health commissioners and doctors. You'd think that monks and nuns who work with the sick would have to get their patients' diseases... but they seldom do. Did the elderly and diminutive Mother Theresa die from leprosy? From AIDS?

If germs or viruses are all around us, why aren't we all dead, or at least deathly ill? And how come crows and vultures regularly eat diseased and decaying road kill, pressing their faces into a maggoty mess, and then fly happily away?

And, as my friends and I used to so energetically search railroad underpasses for sick and injured pigeons to take to our treehouse and nurse back to health, well, I now wonder how we survived at all.

But as for you, you non-bird you, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and the medical media say that without a shot, you are a sitting duck for bird flu.

It seems to me, by logical extension, that without vaccinations for all birds, all birds are goners. Ducks included, sitting or otherwise. Without flu shots for birds, there will be no birds. Silent spring.

Birds are seemingly such frail little creatures. Their permanently feverish bodies are already around 104 degrees Fahrenheit every day. A bird with a real fever must be one hot little number indeed. Yet, every year, tiny little chickadees spend entire frigid winters in my backyard. Gale force subzero winds and our typical eight to ten feet of snowfall do not stop them. And they do not have vaccinations. Not a one. They don't even have heated socks. How on earth do they do it?

So: Shall I have my daughter's little green budgie vaccinated? All the more reason, really, since the parakeet is also at risk from all the human flu strains. Yes, Virginia, all those zillions of Human Flu viruses are out there, just waiting to kill your 'keet. And you with it.

Influenza is a serious disease, and historically, has been the Reaper's scythe. About 10 million soldiers were killed in World War I, charging machine guns and getting mowed down month after month. There were nearly a million casualties at the Somme and another million at Verdun. A terrible slaughter went on for four years. Yet, in just the two years following the war, over 20 million people died from influenza. That is more than twice as many deaths from the flu in one-half the time it took the machine guns. There is no way to make light of that.

On the other hand, there is ample reason to now, finally, end our wishful belief that flu shots stop the flu, because generally they don't, not even in the elderly, their target audience.

NBC and the Associated Press (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9438511/) reported on Sept 22, 2005 that

"A new analysis of 40 years of research provides more evidence that flu shots are not as effective in the elderly as commonly believed. But health officials said older people should still be vaccinated. . . The findings are similar to those of a study done by U.S. National Institutes of Health that found flu shots for the elderly in the United States had not saved lives."

And then they add: "Flu shots may be required in all nursing homes. Federal officials urging flu shots for all this year."

Will Rogers sure was right: with stuff like this in the papers, who needs a comedy writer? Congress writes farce so very well, and the news obligingly tosses it straight into to our living rooms.

But wait: there's more!

An interesting if not downright revealing article at medicinenet.com (1) says, in part:

"According to a study appearing in the Sept. 22 online issue of The Lancet, vaccines against influenza are only "modestly effective" in people in long-term care facilities and even less effective for elderly people still living in the community. . . "The vaccine doesn't work very well at all," said study author Dr. Tom Jefferson, an epidemiologist with the Cochrane Vaccines Field in Rome. "Vaccines are being used as an ideological weapon. What you see every year as the flu is caused by 200 or 300 different agents with a vaccine against two of them. That is simply nonsense." Dr. Marc Siegel, author of "False Alarm: The Truth About the Epidemic of Fear," agreed. "We have set up a situation where a fear is created, and then we try to create the treatment for this fear. The public gets the idea that the flu is going to kill them and the vaccine will save them. Neither is true," he said."

For the record, both these critics are medical doctors.

With our century's worth of accumulated scientific hindsight, we must today ask this: Was a lack of vaccinations really the cause of those flu deaths, or was it really wartime stress, and especially war-induced malnutrition, that set the stage in 1918? And now, once again, we have an alarming and rather similar scenario: between nutrient-poor processed convenience foods, McNothing meals and TV news scare stories, we have the basic ingredients for an epidemic.

But we now also have a simple, safe and effective answer. First, the nutrition solution: eat a good, healthy, whole foods natural diet, and take lots and lots of vitamin C. And second: relax! De-stress your life, take it easy, and cheer up. It has been very well said that you are of much more value than any number of birds. You are factory-equipped with a kick-ass mammalian immune system that is a true marvel of nature. To maximize your resistance to any viral disease, including any strain of flu, I think you would do well to stop eating processed junk food, and load up on ascorbate.

You too can be chipper and chirping away, ignoring swine flu hype, SARS scares, bird flu panics, or any other viral bogeymen being used to scare you into a coerced relationship with a flu shot.

Reference:
1. Gardner A. Flu vaccine only mildly effective in elderly. HealthDay Reporter, Sept 21, 2005. http://www.medicinenet.com

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OPINION:
From: inge hanle (by way of Croft Woodruff <croftwoodruff@telus.net>) Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005
Subject: Sorry folks, but we are being 'had' with the incessant"'disease mongering"'!


When will the "public-general" stop flocking behind the Pied Piper called "the sickness industry" - the pharmaceutical cartel. We have been "mega had" for several decades, and the following is just one little example of the PR-information corruption that runs the medical paradigm at the present time. The present "avian flu" information fiasco - which is in reality a crafty major transfer of tax-money into the coffers of the pharmaceutical industry - is just the most recent "disease manufacture" for the generation of gigantic profits at public expense.

Statistically the newest "avian flu pandemic scare" can still be counted in three figures, globally. If it jumps species, it will have done so in a "bio-warfare laboratory", and its appearance, when and if it appears, will be the agent of 'economic/political sabotage" and/or "the depopulation agenda". Meanwhile the "lucrative "sickness industry" will have raked in billions - paid for by tax-dollars - in preparedness for a virus that "may - but has not yet" mutated. You can bet your bottom dollar that it already lies mutated in the bosom of the "bio-warfare" research laboratories of the military. Sorry, but the official fear-mongering story is totally "for the birds" - and it will surface if, when and where the strategists decide.
What you will never hear is the fact that brilliant scientist-physicians have given humanity several CURES for treating any viral infection - and that these CURES have been outlawed by the "power-elite" through the corruption of law and the law-making process.

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From: Roseat191@aol.com
To: info@zeusinfoservice.com
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005
Subject: Re: Cold & Flu Busters: The Natural Approach


Dear Louise,

I just had a quick scan through this email, and didn't see mention of what I find is a sure-fire cold remedy, Sambucol. It is made from black elderberry and will see off an incipient cold within 24 hours. If you start it when the cold is already underway, you will tend to have very mild symptoms. It is also said to disable the flu virus, which is pretty important, don't you think?

Regards,

Rose Sheppard

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No Aquaduct. Polio.
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Apparently the Amish are mainly freaked right now about polio. I found out that the ex-Amish man I spoke to yesterday joined the Mennonites. They left the Amish b/c they had a dd w/leukemia and the Amish didn't want them to seek medical treatment. I guess that's besides the point, but what I really want to do is help these people. They are still very much involved w/the Amish. What I tell them WILL get back to the Amish.

I just read today that the other polio cases were found in the kids' stool samples. Ummm...I wonder how public health talked them into that?!
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If they joined the Mennonites, they will most likely have internet access. Mennonites are allowed that - they even have a mennonite website. So find out if he knows someone who has the internet and give him some good websites to visit. His friend will be able to navigate it for him and he'll be able to read it for himself. That's your best bet.
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Aha! So Mennonites can use the internet. Guess I'll give him a jingle and ask if he has access.
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