My son peed his pants at school today because of his teacher! **UPDATE Post #107 - Page 2

[wifeandmom]

Your poor little boy! No matter WHY this happened, I know he was mortified, and that is terrible.

I would caution against going straight to the principal and/or superintendant before trying to resolve the issue with the teacher first. There is often little respect for parents who go 'straight to the top' so to speak when it's not a SERIOUS issue (CLEAR safety issue, abuse, etc).

Questions I would ask:

1. How many adults are available for supervision during recess?

2. How do adults gain access to the building from outside?

Assuming there is more than one adult outside and they have access to the building through either a key or code for a key pad, my suggestion would be for an adult to escort said child to the door and let them in.

If there is only one adult outside with the kids, it's a bit harder depending on where the door is located compared to where all of the other children are playing.

If there is no access to the building through either key or code, I'd be concerned about emergency situations more than potty accidents.

[Ms.Doula]

Yeah...

And where are they supposed to potty while they are out there playing?? Thats what Id want to know....

[momto l&a]

I would go above the teacher and go straight to the principle.

I see a number of problems, most have been mentioned already.
How do the kids come came in after play time?
What about an emergancy, bang on the door? Stupid!
Looking the door when student are OUTSIDE does nothing to protect them as they wont be able to run inside for safety.
And shame on them for not giving him something to wear/cover.

I hope they pee their pants but of course that wont happen cause theres nothing stopping them when they have to go!



MsDoula if you are taking a siesta from MDC what are you doing posting

[CookieMonsterMommy]

Originally Posted by Ms.Doula

Yeah...

And where are they supposed to potty while they are out there playing?? Thats what Id want to know....

That's the thing! They're supposed to bang on the door till someone happens by and lets them in! : Illogical!

[Emilie]

Why does the teacher and assistant teacher not have a key to the door? Period. What if something happened outside- um, like a kid fell off the swing and broke his arm- etc.
I am so sorry for your little guy- that is absolutely unnacceptable.
I think I would go beyond note writing here- or maybe a note and a visit? If you get nowhere- go to the principal. This is a major safety issue-
Emilie

[CookieMonsterMommy]

Originally Posted by Emilie

Why does the teacher and assistant teacher not have a key to the door?

I don;t know if they do or not. I'd imagine they would. It's one of the questions I intend to ask.

[Ms.Doula]

Originally Posted by momto l&a

I would go above the teacher and go straight to the principle.

I see a number of problems, most have been mentioned already.
How do the kids come came in after play time?
What about an emergancy, bang on the door? Stupid!
Looking the door when student are OUTSIDE does nothing to protect them as they wont be able to run inside for safety.
And shame on them for not giving him something to wear/cover.

I hope they pee their pants but of course that wont happen cause theres nothing stopping them when they have to go!



MsDoula if you are taking a siesta from MDC what are you doing posting

: I errr.. I uuuhhhhh....

Im 'visiting' for a few ok!!

[kiahnsmum]

My little guy is 6 too and I almost cried reading this, I know how my darling would feel in this situation. There are so many issues surrounding their locked door policy something definitly needs to be said. My son was involved in an incident when he first started and I defifintly let my emotions get the better of me and I gave the teacher the big 'what up'! They might think im an irrational overprotective mum but they sure as hell changed their policy straight away!

[meemee]

oh kelly, how awful!! that is such a hard thing for a little boy to have to put up with. and so unfair. all one needs is to be a little sympathetic to others needs and feelings.

poor little boy. let us know how he does tomorrow?

gosh ur posting about them banging on the door till someone notices is really, really scary. what if there was a fire?

[elsie]

I would talk to the teacher first and ask her what she thinks of the situation and how you might approach the administration if these aree the rules the teachers are given. If everyone is suppose to bang on the door until someone walks by seems like a really stupid protocol. I'm sure it is not the teacher making it up, though I also believe she could have handle the whole thing much better. I think if you approach her as an ally against the school's policy instead of just focusing on how she mishandled it, she will be more likely to help you find a way to prevent this in the future.

[Dar]

Awww... poor little sweetie.

The teacher should definitely have a key to get back into the building. All of the schools where I sub give me keys to get in from recess. Like others have said, what if there was an emergency? Schools are so worried about some lunatic getting into the school, but what if the lunatic comes and they're all trapped outside on the playground? And what about minor injuries? Or major ones?

Dar

[sapphire_chan]

Can you go talk to them in person?

[sapphire_chan]

Originally Posted by momto l&a

I hope they pee their pants but of course that wont happen cause theres nothing stopping them when they have to go!

If Cookie doesn't get a good response to her concerns maybe we could figure out a way for her to sneak in and lock the staff restrooms.

[luvmy3boys]

I would talk to the principal or have a meeting with the teacher and principal. There are many issues here...the restroom/recess set up, the teacher's response, the nurse's lack of actions, etc. All issues need to be addressed.

[Kari_mom]

Is 'Mrs. C" the teacher that you feel should apologize, and your son's classroom teacher? From what you described, it is possible that she didn't realize what had happened or even spoke to him after he was taken to the nurse. She knew your son said he needed to go, she knew he had an accident, she might not realize how much the delay contributed. For this reason I think you should talk to the teacher first.

FWIW, 6 year old boys are notorious for accidents. The PTA at our old school used to buy underwear for the nurse to keep on hand, a third of what was purchased was size 6 for the first grade boys.

I am not defending what happened, I am appalled as well and my son had a similar 'accident' experience last year, similar in how it was mishandled anyway. But if you run into a 'whatever' attitude from the school staff, it is probably because they see so much of it that they don't get how they contribute to the problem.

[ceilydhmama]

Originally Posted by CookieMonsterMommy

See, that's the thing--I asked her when her planning time was when I 1st met her, and she just told me "If you need to get in touch with me, you can write me a note and leave it in the Take Home folder. If you need to call, just call the main office and leave a message with them" Which I was unhappy with.

Kelly

I wouldn't call. I would write a full letter of complaint and cc it to the principal and ask for a meeting to resolve the issue. This stikes me as the sort of issue that requires a formal complaint though - not a "he said/she said". meeting

[Mama43]

Why does his school not have a buzzer system? I live in booneyville, and my kids' school has these. You push the button that buzzes the office the receptionist answers and opens the door you report to the office? The last school we were at, as well as the high school I attened 10 years ago had this.

Kristin

[CookieMonsterMommy]

Originally Posted by Kari_mom

Is 'Mrs. C" the teacher that you feel should apologize, and your son's classroom teacher? From what you described, it is possible that she didn't realize what had happened or even spoke to him after he was taken to the nurse. She knew your son said he needed to go, she knew he had an accident, she might not realize how much the delay contributed. For this reason I think you should talk to the teacher first.

FWIW, 6 year old boys are notorious for accidents.

Ms. C is his teacher, and the one he spoke to, 1st to tell her he had to go really bad, then again that he had to go really bad and could not gain access to the building. She was the one who told him to go back and keep knocking in hopes that maybe someone would hear him. She knew he peed himself, because she didn't send the TA to help until he had peed himself already. If there were any question, it would have been confirmed when the nurse had to call the teacher to pack up his things because I was coming to pick him up. She did speak to him afterwards when he got his things. There was no apology.

That raises another question--did they make my son walk back to class to get his coat/lunch box/bookbag? I sure as hell hope not, but I'll ask him tomorrow.

My son has NEVER had a potty accident while he was awake since he was 2. Not once until now.

Kelly

[LavenderMae]

OT but my son hasn't had an accident since he was 2 maybe even a little earlier. He's only 4 though so maybe when he turns 6 he'll start having accidents.

[boycrazy]

Originally Posted by Emilie

Why does the teacher and assistant teacher not have a key to the door? Period. What if something happened outside- um, like a kid fell off the swing and broke his arm- etc.
I am so sorry for your little guy- that is absolutely unnacceptable.
I think I would go beyond note writing here- or maybe a note and a visit? If you get nowhere- go to the principal. This is a major safety issue-
Emilie

That sucks...sorry that happened...I hope that this is resolved with out much hassle. Sounds like they need to update the system so that it is safe for the outside kids as well as the kids inside.