Spiritual/Metaphysical root cause of PPD? - Page 2

[intentfulady]

PPD was a fascinating growth experience for myself.
Some semantics here.

The souls path? as spiritual?

Being messed with by "evil" spirits? as spiritual?

I guess I am curious what OP meant by "spiritual"

PPD felt like a spiritual experience.. altered state.

altered perceptions.

the veil between worlds .......thicker or thinner? in your experience????

The feeling for me was
"thicker" veil.

I was very high functioning, probably manic.

such a fascinating question.

I'll be back after I've chewed on it some more.

[fugeeo]

i am in no way trying to put shame to someone,
just trying to give insight.

i myself suffered from depression for many years.
and by realizing some truths, was i able to overcome
and i am now medicine free.

i am sorry if i have brought this in, when it may cause
distress, but sometimes, the best way, is to go directly
to the source of the problems.

this is a thread on spiritual/metaphysical root cause...

does it really matter what sex i am, if i believe in reincarnation?
i am only trying to help. and i have been there from the babies
perspective. i was born by cesarean in a premature birth.

sincerely,
refugio

[Aka mommy]

I was really digging this thread. But i really take offense to posters implying that christians believe or feel depression is a direct result of sinning. Maybe i read this wrong?

[fugeeo]

finding the calm in the storm

well, if one cannot find the source in the spiritual, sometimes that is too far away. then one should do that which they can do immediately.

looking at the foods we eat, remembering food also has a spirit.

lack of support, of course is going to be a major issue.

finding out how to find support can be difficult when going through depression. sometimes in depression, someone will see from their perspective that a person is ill, but the ill person will not see it themselves. at the same time, the ill person may be going through a search, and not necessarily be ill, but will be perceived to be ill by others.

this last part for me, was the most difficult for me when i was "ill", that others could not understand what i was talking about. the only way for me to overcome was to keep searching inside myself. i suffered from mental illness for almost 8 years. some of it was decent while medicated, but the problem was still prevalent.

the biggest part was that there was some spirit looming over me, some karma, something, a sick influence, and i could see it, but i was still involved with many things that created it. finally i simplified things learning buddhism, and spirituality from as many religions that i could seek in my neighborhood, and later this zhuan falun, a combination of buddhist taoist knowledge, and it gave me the understanding i was looking for.

we can not always look to others for the answers, but we need to accept whatever is there, let it register, acknowledge it, and somehow figure out what it really means.

hope you feel better intenful, it does feel like you are going through ups and downs. hang in there.

[Megan_Cherry]

Smelly Christian here. . .

What Fugeeo is saying does not sound like blaming or shaming to me. I don't understand how karma works but I found alot of what she is saying to be encouraging. How can I fill my life with more of this white substance? Or as I would see it a white light. Hmmmmmm. . . tell me more about this. You said diet and medication can help? Tell me about diet. I have been feeling so drained and my doc told me I was anemic. So I have been eating spinach every day and taking my vits. Seems to be helping some.

[fugeeo]

positive karma and diet

for enhancing positive energy, i recommend reading the free online books. they will explain the best. www.falundafa.org.

then, i would recommend just increasing the truths in life, not creating many barriers between others beliefs, decreasing any angers, increase compassion, yet, don't give to those who don't make efforts, use compassion in knowledge, use tolerance to a high degree, don't let things bother and create anger, let things go by, increase inner quiet, become observant rather than reactionary.

these are easy to say, but not always easy to do. do them as you can. these are the things that create positive energy. in our lives, these days, there will be much required tolerance.

if the book idea is not kind to you,
investigate deeply spirit. increase the imagination through mental journeys, meeting people in mind, with eyes closed, meeting positive spirits, speak to others through spiritual/mental visualizations. inculcate virtues, for instance think about the meanings of virtues: ie strength, flexibility, compassion, silence, tolerance ... there are many. think about each one individually with eyes closed. play soothing music.

for diet guidelines:

some people have too much attraction to eating meats, this should be lessened. but most important, is to realize the life in the food before we eat it, take a moment to bless the food and feel its spirit return to you, then strengthen you when you eat it. have the feeling that it is indeed giving nourishment.

some say dark unsweetened chocolate will help alot as it contains things that balance serotonin levels, an imbalance of which leads to depression. i've read some on these ppd posts. i am not recalling where they are.

http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/terrai...f_medicine.htm

this first link somewhat details how modern mainstream medicine has gone "astray". and somewhat explains about the next diets i include.

Gracie_Diet, perhaps based on chinese medical theories, but developed in Brazil by a Jiu Jitsu expert. I am not recommending the jiu jitsu, but the guidelines work very well. it's just hard to eat only fruits sometimes.

http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/bjj/gjjdiet.html

so, i sometimes mix my diets. but by these guidelines, i have felt quite a bit better.

the next three here are similar to the gracie diet but a little different, they are one and the same, i just included the three referenced links:

http://www.internethealthlibrary.com..._combining.htm
http://www.internethealthlibrary.com...al-chart-a.htm
http://www.internethealthlibrary.com...ed-chart-c.htm

and these following ones are based on pH balance:

http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/acidalkfoods.html
http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/phbalancearticle.html
http://www.reynoldsoffice.com/ph.htm
http://altmedicine.about.com/od/popu...kalinediet.htm

hope this helps.

[fugeeo]

the previous posts that are very good about diet

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=347334

[lauraess]

Originally Posted by fugeeo

. Probably in your first birth, you payed for your karma by the troublesome birth, whilst in the second, you are paying for karma by the depression.



hope this helps.
refugio manuel

I am sorry if i offended anyone in my comment about 'chirstian..penance and hell.'

I see you say there is not blame, and I did not take it that way as far as the birthing goes. I simply cannot understand How womens labor, difficult or majorly difficult is about karma. Maybe you can explain or someone can?

[lauraess]

Originally Posted by Aka mommy

I was really digging this thread. But i really take offense to posters implying that christians believe or feel depression is a direct result of sinning. Maybe i read this wrong?

What quote are you referring to? If it was mine, the one saying the bit about karma and difficult birth and dripping of christian sins, penance and hell- I wasnt implying that Christians believe that about depression and sinning. No way. I meant that saying difficult labor was about ANYThING other that what it was (long, babies position, stress, etc.) feels/sounds like blame of a sort . I actually heard once from a christian friend that women go through labor that is difficult and painful because of the sins of man. I know some people beleive this , so how is that different than the karma theory?

[lauraess]

Megan Cherry> If you are drained and your dr. is telling you that you're anemic, eat nuts instead of meat if you dont want to do the meat. And again, I have to challenge Fugeeo on the meat comment(especially if your are nursing!) You totally need your proteins now and your irons can come from blackstrap molasses in Oats, plus eggs and fish. Get the book "nourishing Traditions"

[fugeeo]

karma and diet

halo lauraess

i am trying to think a little more about your questions.

for one, like i say, positive and negative karma is in everyone's human lives.
for the Zhuan Falun book, Li Hongzhi discusses it quite clearly. again i highly recommend to read it, especially the first chapter which is not long, and discusses karma. http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/zflus.html. also read about the celestial eye. the second chapter.

for myself, i have taken a long route to get to the spiritual space that i am in now. a question i haven't really been able to have answers to, is why the difference between men and women. part of it i feel is the type of nurturing role that is required in a situation. a child will be a girl, if there is more nurturing required, while a child will be a boy, if there is more action required, but these are not set in stone. part of it may be a past life direction.

i have also been thinking about our goals towards reincarnation. truly, i feel that if we do not resolve all of our negative karma in this life, we will be reincarnated. negative karma will keep us in the human world. even christians, who many feel christ will save, for those who have not resolved their negative karma, perhaps only christ can help them enter his kingdom. but there are many kingdoms, and many gurus, many so called "gods". but their was only one true creator in my mind. and beyond that, who knows.
but i think, depending on our desires in life, and our right actions, we will attain what we want, and what we deserve. depending on how much we contribute to the world in compassion, truthfulness, and tolerance. any other forms of contribution to the world, generally returns in a negative manner, such as through a painful birth. anything that is just complacent, will be easily dislodged.

buddhism holds four tenets, that there is impermanence (everywhere within the human world), that there is cause and effect, and that there is no soul, and no self. mainly, the lack of understanding of these universal truths, will lead to suffering and pain. while moving together with the truths will build a foundation.

A buddhist's writing may help:
http://www.watchai.iirt.net/buddhism3.html
and a western perspective:
http://www.frimmin.com/mt/archives/000113.html

for the meat thing, i am discussing in broader terms about general diet. which is the kind of diet that is preventative for any health problems in life. if one has lived with the right kind of diet for their whole life, versus one who only goes on a right diet when they have to, then the one with the right kind of diet their whole life, will obviously have much better preparation for any problems, but one who only diets at that specific time, is going to feel the effects of their body adjusting, for one, and suffering from the accumulation of bad diet in their system, for two.

these are just a few points, i find meditation to be a true source to find out who the self is, stilling everything, becoming observant, non-reactionary, to see the direct path. for me, in christianity, there are good teachings, but when one doesn't take the time to take these tenets into themselves directly, then they are of no use. i have found that through meditation i've gone on the solo journey that one needs to develop for themselves to find what truths and falsehoods are inherent in me. while i have found christians, while some to be very good and seekers of truths not just of their own, not just of the bible, many never really to get the real sense of what certain things mean inside themselves. for meditation, is like filling an empty bowl, while reading bibles, gitas, even zhuan falun, will never have the same effect as really feeling deep inside ones self, to unfold the flower. in effect many religions have a ritual performed, and the bible or koran or torah or gita ... is read, but to fill the empty bowl then, takes much much longer. the meditation inner journeys are individual journeys. in essence, ritual can replace instinct, and intuition, which i find to be a very premise for even very good people to really forget their own actions towards a truthful way.