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Marc I hope you stay in here and keep your mind open and read and read. Not vaccinating has been the hardest issue for me as a parent (and by the way I drive a 16 year old Volvo). I had no idea this was going to be THE issue for me medically as a parent until I started doing my own research. I would ask that you watch Dr. Sherri Tenpenny's video on vaccinations (Vaccines - The Risks, The Benefit, the Choices) and then respond to it. Her info is very current and comprehensive. I'd also be interested in your perspective on the piece Robert Kennedy Jr. wrote in Salon recently.
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Originally Posted by applejuice

Me too. Way past my bedtime.
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No gas guzzling SUV here either. (VW Passat)
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1974 Hillman Hunter here. Almost an antique now. Like me.
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No car at all.

And I wrote the gov't and told em if they wanted to reduce expenses and improve public health, they should stop funding vaccinations. yeah, I'm really riding on the so-called herd immunity. My kids are unvaxed because all my research shows they're a lot healthier that way. I'm not risking my kids lives for some unfounded notion of improving public health. And, luckily, I live somewhere I have a constitutional right to make that decision.
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No car for me either; I use a broom.
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I'm really hoping the good doctor doesn't pull a 'hit and run' over here.
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No car for me either; I use a broom.
Oooh, betcha get some good mileage w/that!
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Hey doc, I'm so glad you popped in.

By the way, there were full strength thimerosal-containing childhood vaccines on the shelves until well into 2002. Let me know if you'd like links to the transcripts of governmental hearings revealing this very important fact, as well as documented newspaper articles.

Are you also one of those peds who tell concerned parents they took thimerosal out of the MMR and now it's deemed safe? Do you know how many times I've heard parents say their peds tell them this when they inquire about the MMR and autism: "Don't worry, they took the mercury out the MMR and it's safe now." A ped trying to ease a parents fears about the MMR and autism and doesn't even know that thimerosal is not (and never was) an ingredient in the MMR vaccine??????

Since mercury is no longer a concern in your mind and you claim to be a pediatrician, maybe you wouldn't mind answering a few questions.

My now eight year old son was injected with 36.5 micrograms of mercury at each visit every two months up until he was six months of age. Therefore, he was given over 100 micrograms of mercury in just the first six months of life. I repeat - just the first six months. This amount doesn't include the Hep. B dose (administered alone) at one week of age containing 12.5 micrograms and the last dose of DTaP at 17 months of age containing 25 micrograms.

You probably did the same for well over a decade and here are my questions:

*Were you aware of what you were doing?
Some of your patients may have received even more than the daily 36.5 micrograms routinely administered for years. If my son's Hib doses would have contained thimerosal (his shots didn't, but many did at the time), then the daily intake of thimerosal would have been significantly higher and this was the scenerio for millions of children.

*So, were you aware of the ingredients contained in the vaccines you were administering, particularly thimerosal and the cummulative total? Did the AAP at any time issue a warning of the potential dangers to it's members?

*Have you ever read a vaccine product insert at any time during your career? If so, was it prior to 1999?

*If you were aware, did you question the AAP about the cummulative amount of thimerosal being administered to all U.S. children, including your very own patients? Did you make any attempt inform the parents in your practice? I'm sure you are keenly aware the majority of parents (including me at one time) look to peds for guidance, since they are the "experts."

*If you were NOT aware, why were you not aware?

*What are your thoughts on thimerosal? (Can't wait to hear if you're going to use your common sense or the stock AAP answer)

*Were you concerned at any time about the cummulative amount of thimerosal being administered?

*How many of your patients in the last 15 years have had development delays, including speech and motor skills, autism, ADHD and learning disabilities? Here's a good one - how many are are on medication for these disabilities or receiving special education services?


Oh, and don't attempt to avoid my questioning by claiming "the past is the past." You are minimizing and it is not appreciated here. The AAP and it's puppet members screwed up big time, including you doc.
post #32 of 262
I think you all scared him off.

And the SUV dig? Does he even know where he's posting?
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Originally Posted by chersolly
I think you all scared him off.
Well, the "doctor's" thread title says it all: Looking for trouble

Let's give the doc some time. After all it is the weekend and I'm sure he's tired from seeing patients all week.
post #34 of 262
Prius hybrid, here.

And I'm : about the herd immunity bit! I think it's safe to say that just about everyone here thinks that vaxes are a huge disservice to humanity! I hope that someday they will be trashed and never used again. (I'm smokin' crack, here - I know.) But I couldn't be more dissappointed when I hear about someone getting a vax.

So, tell me doc. Am I also supposed to get over the damage that was done to my family when my mother got GBS from the swine flu debaucle in the 70's? It's really old news too, but we're all still suffering - most especially her.

Maybe just try to keep your ego in check. Most of us have started thinking about vaxes the way we do after something devestating - the consequenses of which we are still living with. Coming here, clearly having not read much (or maybe you're just thick), and belittleing our ability to "get over it" does not endear you to us, or help your cause.
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Perhaps he is buried under the avalanche of information?
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Too little too late

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Originally Posted by marcdoc
Howdy all- I'm a pediatrician (and yes, even a man) in Boston, and am interested in your discussions on vaccination. I think there might be some way to discuss some of the vaccination issues without all the vitriol and fear, if anyone likes. I am admittedly pro-vaccine but also open to taking care of families who are not.
Always nice when a well meaning pediatrician comes by to educate us. You're a little late, another pediatrician has already given some great information, Dr Robert S Mendelsohn. And I'm willing to bet your thoughts don't jive with his.

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Originally Posted by marcdoc
I do notice a lot of people still focussing on mercury; isn't it time to get past that?
Oh how I wish, but my fat chubby 7.5 month old born in 1999 is now 6 years old weighing in at 31.2 pounds, is 35 3/4" tall, when do you think HE will get past this? He stopped growing after an office visit in which he was injected with mercury via multiple vaccines. You know, the mercury that there is no proof causes harm, but it was suggested to get it out of the vaccines anyway. And I should just get past this, as I watched my son deteriorate before my eyes. It will be a long time before I will get past this, and shame on you for even making such a comment.

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Originally Posted by marcdoc
Except for flu vaccine (optional in all cases), no vaccines have had anything but trace amounts of mercury in about 5 years. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind on the virtues or evils of mercury, but aren't there other more important health issues for your kids at this point?
Actually there aren't any other health issues for my son at this point. That has been the ONLY problem my son has had in 6 years.

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Originally Posted by marcdoc
There's an article in the vaccination section that retells a mother's vaccination experience with her son back in 1980!
There's also an article in the vaccination section that retells a mother's vaccination experience with her son back in 1961, who has spent his life in a wheelchair because of the vaccines. She wrote a very interesting book A STOLEN LIFE by Marge Grant about what has been revealed in her search for the truth. Would do you well to get a copy.

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Originally Posted by marcdoc
Also several people in the threads have the "if everyone else is vaccinated, I won't have to" attitude. This is the whole idea behind public health - everyone needs to be on board for it to work.
Can you point out where exactly that attitude is? I don't recall seeing that as the general attitude, in fact in my personal situation, vax status of others has absolutely NOTHING to do with my decisions.

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Originally Posted by marcdoc
Last month there was a polio outbreak in a community of vaccine-refusing families. Is this not horribly shocking to people?
No, it isn't shocking. Have you read HOW they found the polio? They were running general tests and pretty much found it by accident, and NONE of the children, BTW, have yet to show SIGNS of having polio. Now that is the true shocker, isn't it. Might you also be shocked to know that many people probably still get and get over polio, but no one knows because they aren't running random tests on them. Bet you'll find a lot more polio if you look for it.

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Originally Posted by marcdoc
This is also the "me first, forget the rest" attitude that leads people to buy huge SUVs for their own safety and disregard how their vehicles mangle others in crashes.
Well, I bought a motorcycle, and guess what, you don't even need insurance on it, because they figure if you're in a crash, you're the one that will be mangled. What is your mode of transporation?

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Originally Posted by marcdoc
Hope I haven't already made myself a target!
As if you didn't know
post #38 of 262
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Originally Posted by marcdoc
I do notice a lot of people still focussing on mercury; isn't it time to get past that? Except for flu vaccine (optional in all cases), no vaccines have had anything but trace amounts of mercury in about 5 years.
Well, when they remove even trace amounts of mercury and invent a cure for the mercury posioning thousands of children have suffered with, maybe then it'll be time to move on.

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Also several people in the threads have the "if everyone else is vaccinated, I won't have to" attitude.
Show me those threads. I haven't heard anyone voice that opinion on this board.

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Last month there was a polio outbreak in a community of vaccine-refusing families. Is this not horribly shocking to people?
I live in Minnesota, and I'm not scared. The only reason they found those cases is because they tested every single family in that community. If you test every single member of ANY community you'll find asymptomatic cases of polio. And that's just the thing, they were not sick! Even if my child were to contract polio, he has LESS THAN A 1% CHANCE of having any form of paralysis! Hmmm, a minute chance he'll get it in the first place, and a minute chance of that minute chance causing polio? Gee, let me think about that...

I do have a question for you: Scarlet fever was a very dangerous and common childhood illness "back in the day". It's rarely heard of now, yet there was no vaccine ever created for it. So why did that illness just disappear, yet all of the other childhood illnesses (mumps, measles, chickenpox, etc.) have their decline credited to the vaccine?
post #39 of 262

hi marc-

do you think we're just flat-out STUPID?
your questions are not even valid.
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Originally Posted by Momtezuma Tuatara
1974 Hillman Hunter here. Almost an antique now. Like me.
Aged like a very fine wine my dear. You ain't getting older, you're getting BETTER....at least that's what my mama always tells me.
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