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post #221 of 281
Hey, I wanted to join the late starters group, I started working on ECing part-time with my dd, Jo, when she was 8 months or so. We were doing great at first, but now it seems like she's just not interested and/or is annoyed by the whole thing. She used to go reliably 2-3 times a day (and I would put her on when I thought she might be going), now I'm lucky if I get the first morning poop. I'm having a few difficulties:

- She doesn't want to sit on the potty (we have a little potty seat and an insert for the toilet). She is big enough that she can get herself off, which she does now almost immediately.

- She pees on the floor just after getting off the potty. I've been determined to encourage her by keeping her without a diaper or in training pants while we're at home and putting her on the potty every 15 minutes in the morning, a little less in the afternoon. I haven't got a pee in 4 days .

- She doesn't have signs. I really can't find a dang sign! She just pees and then splashes around in it . We've been doing this for 4.5 months and I can't figure her out. She does baby signs and knows the sign for potty, but only uses it when I say the word or when she sees it. She doesn't use it to tell me she wants to use it (I've tried).

Any suggestions/moral support????
post #222 of 281
Hi everyone

I've been ECing my 9 month old DD for a little over a month now and as i saw some post my DD also started out great, catching around 4-5 pees and the morning poop. I switched to cloth diapers and change her as soon as she wets her self. I also just started to leave her bottom less around 2 or 3 hours every day.

For a couple of days back i've only managed to catch her morning poop and if i'm lucky one pee a day (before i could go all morning with the same clean cloth diaper). She likes to play with her potty, but doesn't signal anything if she has to pee or maybe i'm just a bit to dense to see her cues.

When she wets her self in her naked time she doesn't seem to like it very much but doesn't seemed too annoyed by it either. Am i doing something wrong? ANy advice would really be appreciated...

Claudia Adoring MOM to Emilie:: happily married to Rey
post #223 of 281
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Originally Posted by FullMetalMom View Post
Hey, I wanted to join the late starters group, I started working on ECing part-time with my dd, Jo, when she was 8 months or so. We were doing great at first, but now it seems like she's just not interested and/or is annoyed by the whole thing. She used to go reliably 2-3 times a day (and I would put her on when I thought she might be going), now I'm lucky if I get the first morning poop. I'm having a few difficulties:

- She doesn't want to sit on the potty (we have a little potty seat and an insert for the toilet). She is big enough that she can get herself off, which she does now almost immediately.

- She pees on the floor just after getting off the potty. I've been determined to encourage her by keeping her without a diaper or in training pants while we're at home and putting her on the potty every 15 minutes in the morning, a little less in the afternoon. I haven't got a pee in 4 days .

- She doesn't have signs. I really can't find a dang sign! She just pees and then splashes around in it . We've been doing this for 4.5 months and I can't figure her out. She does baby signs and knows the sign for potty, but only uses it when I say the word or when she sees it. She doesn't use it to tell me she wants to use it (I've tried).

Any suggestions/moral support????
I can only offer moral support in the form of this - that's what our DD's been doing lately too. We've EC'd on & off since she was born, because we were both in the Army & have had to move a lot her first year, so that made ECing a challenge for me. Now, I'm out & get to spend the day at home with her. She's not signing yet, but often pees as soon as she's off the potty. I try to keep her attention as long as I can while she's on there, but she's also big enough to get off on her own, so that's a challenge. Hang in there!
post #224 of 281
Hi everyone,
I just wanted to give all of you that are "late starters" some great moral support, from someone that started late and have had great success! My son Sage was 18 months when I started EC with him. He's always been in cloth diapers, and started showing signs that he was noticing when he peed/pooped. I would change him immediately, and I also got a potty out. Since I liked the ideas of EC, but just never got around to doing it, I thought "why not now"? The best way I had him really learn his awareness was to take him completely out of his diapers. I also would cue him whenever he would go. Within just two weeks, he was sitting on the potty consistently and was totally dry during the day. The only hurdle we faced for 3 months, though, was he didn't want to poop in the potty. Well, I just had my 2nd son at this time, and started EC'ing him at birth. The instant Sage saw his brother poop in his little Potty Bowl, he got all excited, ran right over to his potty to poop, and has now been pooping on the potty ever since! (He's 27 months now).

So I encourage all of you who think it might be too late to start, to go ahead and try. It might take some time to build up their awareness, but it is possible. And don't let anyone discourage you. Even my doctor tried discouraging me. When I mentioned that Sage was starting to use the potty at his 20 month visit, my doctor said "oh well that's just training the parent, kids that age don't have the sphincter control yet". I replied "then how do you explain that my son has now been able to hold in his pee for 4 hours waiting for us to get to a toilet so that he can pee?" My doctor didn't have an answer for that!

Good luck everyone, and happy EC'ing!
post #225 of 281
New starter here! I've been using disposables exclusively because when dd was born I was in a small apt. with a shared laundry and DH and I felt it was better to just use disposables, I didn't realize there were so many implications and I do regret it now. Now we are in a bigger place with our own washer and dryer and I wanted to switch to cloth. I told my mom and she laughed and said I should just potty train her being she's already 11 months old and it'd be silly to spend so much on an entire cloth system. I thought she was joking at first and then I thought about it, and why not? DD is very bright and catches on incredibly quickly. I went to the store, bought her a potty and some big girl undies. The first night was a disaster with 2 near misses. I was very discouraged. I put her in a diaper overnight and today when we woke up, I took her to the potty, sat her down, and ta da! She peed! : I couldn't believe it. I've been taking her to the potty every 30 mins-1 hour. I know that there will probably be many misses in our future, but I'm very optimistic about our journey. I'm waiting for her to wake up from her nap for our next potty-tunity. I will be getting some cloths in the near future though for our back-ups so I can switch from disposables completely. Woohoo!
post #226 of 281
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Originally Posted by Laurie Boucke View Post
In my opinion, EC is a form of toilet learning. Medical professionals classify it this way. For late-starters, many of the tactics are the same as with toilet learning. With EC there is a lot of emphasis on communication and responsiveness, plus there is no punishment or coercion involved.

Hi Laurie,

Thank you for posting about the relationship between EC and "toilet learning." Recently my husband and I have been learning about toilet learning, and it really struck home with us that the child must be the one to initiate switching over from diapers or training pants to using the toilet consistently. However, a book I have by Alison Mack says parents should assert that being wet or poopy ("sticky") makes the child feel "not happy" and uncomfortable, and I don't think it's right for us (or anyone) to assert or presume how our child "should" feel about anything.

We have long been interested in and sporadically attempting EC with our toddler boy, with rare "success" at best. He seems comfortable wetting and pooping in diapers or training pants or on the floor or, with wee, in the potty or on the toilet, and he's only recently begun exhibiting obvious signs that we can pick up on (clutching at his crotch, usually). We have a baby girl due soon whom we'd really like to start at birth with EC.

I'm wondering how the child's own initiative works with EC. What are your thoughts on this? Is there a FAQ associated with this EC forum (I just registered) where this topic might be discussed in more detail?

Thanks again,
yam


Edited by yam - 1/24/13 at 6:26pm
post #227 of 281
Wanted to share my excitement about starting late with DD. I found out about EC when she was 11 months but was skeptical. I took some time reading about it and after I learned more it really made sense. We got a baby potty from DH's aunt, but it was too big for DD's little bottom and any time I brought her near it she started crying. I didn't want to press the idea with her getting upset near the potty but at the same time I know she has been letting me know right before she dirties her diaper lately. I went online and read some reviews until I found a potty people complained was too small. Well, it came in the mail this week and DD does not mind sitting on it at all. The first time I set her on it she just sat and I praised her for sitting and not fussing. I think it was the third time I set her on it that she peer in it and DH and I got really excited and clapped. Then she fussed a little so I put a diaper on her and set her on the floor and she filled her diaper too. I've been putting her on the potty after naps and any time she comes to me tugging at her diaper. In 3 days she had peed in the potty 4 times. The first time she sat for about five minutes first but the other 3 times she did right away, so I think she understands that's what it is for. DH and I are feeling very excited and encouraged, especially since some family and friends have been very much frowning upon it saying we will traumatize her and that there is no way she could understand what the potty is for or how to control her bladder. With our next one I will do EC from the start! I am really glad I have learned about this now and not even later. I think I have caught her at a unique time and waiting until 18 months or 2 years would have been more difficult.
post #228 of 281
We have just started /i tried when she was a littlun but it didnt work out she would hold until i put her nappy back on i always had it in my mind that i wanted to do this so i kept her coverless, did the cue noise when i saw her going etc oh and changing her imediatly, so i guess a super duper lazy kinda but kinda not ec anyway we were at ikea and they had potties on sale for $2 and i had read previously somewhere that they were good so i thought why not?

we have been going for a week now, the first 2 days we only had a couple of misses, the 3rd and 4th day she held while we were out 5th day again a couple of misses, 6th an 7th day only one catch. And today she is holding until i put her nappy back on
but thats ok, i figure she is still comunicating with me and this is just a bit of fun we can have together, and she likes to sit on the potty so no big deal
post #229 of 281
Started him around 4 months, then quit for a good long while. Now he is 14 months and we are going at it again.

Quick question...

I usually end up missing a majority of the pees and change him as soon as I notice he is wet. Will this help in the EC process, or is it just stagnation?
post #230 of 281
Thanks for reactivating this thread - I totally forgot about it!

I have no advice, sorry.

But, I wanted to update about our recent successes! I had signed "potty" for DD a lot when we were first doing it until she was maybe 13 or 14 months. We have had pretty stable success after naps, first thing in the morning, after meals, and pre-bath, but not really other than those times.

Then, a few weeks ago and out of the blue, DD signs "potty" at me and then used the potty! She's had a few full days of dry dipes, other days she signs it after she goes and sometimes she just doesn't want to stop so says "no" if I ask her if she needs to go (like last night - big poop in her diaper but she didn't want to stop playing).

Still, the consistent signing and how clearly proud of herself she is when she uses the potty is awesome. Totally worth it and so happy we started trying this!
post #231 of 281
Would signing after the fact be ok- like while or just before I change him out of the wets? or do I have to do it while he is going?
post #232 of 281
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Originally Posted by momasara View Post
Would signing after the fact be ok- like while or just before I change him out of the wets? or do I have to do it while he is going?
We signed it when she was actually on the potty. I'd touch it and say "potty" and sign it at the same time. Then when she actually goes we made it a happy thing.

I actually signed "diaper" when I changed her if she was wet, but she never really picked up on it. She signs "potty" now after she goes I think to tell me she went, but we didn't teach it that way.

I hear all the time that it's harder for boys, so have patience!
post #233 of 281
I've heard that too, but wasn't sure if it was true. My nephew was almost 5 and still pooping in his pants. I was so grossed out. I really don't want to be dealing with diapers for that long.
post #234 of 281

started at 10 months

Hello.
I heard about EC long before our son was born and was very interested in the idea. We caught a couple pees (3?) in the 3rd month I think but generally couldn't see any cues he was giving for peeing or pooing. Life was intense in our family and I didn't have extra energy to EC a babe who was already 10 lbs 5 oz. at birth!

We use cloth diapers & bummis covers and I'm not the regular changer (every hour/ after every pee) I thought I'd be. Oh how the life of a parent changes your ideals!

Anyhow - I kept watching for any signs our son might be doing while eliminating and started to think somewhere along the way (8 months?) it'd be neat to try more intentionally again. Months passed and now in his 10th month I finally saw regular signals (red face, grunting, straining, etc...) for when he'd poop. So the last couple weeks have been very exciting catching most poops. And we've gone diaper free a few times in the last couple weeks but mostly I keep cloth diapers with covers on him. The only reason we've caught a few pees is timing (or is it intuition?) after naps or me wondering when he's fussy if he's telling me something.

I keep signing "toilet" when he goes but haven't seen him try that one yet. He has started crawling around the time we started using the potty and so we read a book while he sits on the BBLP.

EC seems simple enough at this time (way easier than cleaning a smooshy poopy diapered bum!!!) and we are enjoying it much more than diaper changing battles! We have only used the BBLP so far but I'd like to try our toilet seat adapter too.

For those thinking about starting EC "late", it's never too late in my humble opinion and it doesn't have to be diaper free, full time, nor add more difficulty to your already parent-challenged days.

Cheers to you all!
post #235 of 281

Starting at 13 months

Hi all, today was my first morning trying EC with my 13 month old ds. This morning right after we woke up, I put DS on his bb potty and he peed! : It was amazing. Of course, then he stood up and peed everywhere else, but I'm still claiming victory. He's with his nanny today, so we'll see how it goes but I'll be spending the next three days at home with him so we'll see how it goes.

Also, I have to admit that we've been in disposables up until now , but this forum has encouraged me to make the switch to cloth diapers asap. (In my defense, we're on well and septic and this last year our area was in a severe drought, but now that DS isn't using so many diapers and we've gotten some rain its a good time to switch). I'd greatly appreciate any tips on what type of diapers to get for my 13 month old, 24 pound DS. Also, I'm reading "diaper free by 3" and the author advocates use of plain old cotton undies with or without a cover. If anyone who has tried this cares to elaborate, please do!
post #236 of 281
We use little cotton undies in the warmer months... when I can leave his pants off. He does't like being wet in them. It is good.

Our house is unfortunately rather chilly in the winter, so we are using dipes at the moment. I have to tell myself not to stress about it too much, because otherwise, I stress too much! I wish we would have started from birth. and I wish I didn't stop doing the EC thing for a while when he was around 9 months.

He used to pee in the potty on a somewhat regular timetable... now he pees sooooo often!

I'm looking forward to summer and warm weather so he can go nekkie bum.
post #237 of 281
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Originally Posted by Nutela View Post
For those thinking about starting EC "late", it's never too late in my humble opinion and it doesn't have to be diaper free, full time, nor add more difficulty to your already parent-challenged days.

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We didn't start EC until 14-15months (because initially I didn't realise you could start late) but I'm so glad we did.


Edited by LittleSoulMama - 9/24/12 at 4:29pm
post #238 of 281
We did do EC with DS from 2-4 mo but stopped due to eczema (he claws at his legs! We HAVE TO keep him in pants!) but now he is 6.5 mo and I'm looking to start up again. Hopefully he remembers some from those few months!
post #239 of 281
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Originally Posted by frontierpsych View Post
We did do EC with DS from 2-4 mo but stopped due to eczema (he claws at his legs! We HAVE TO keep him in pants!) but now he is 6.5 mo and I'm looking to start up again. Hopefully he remembers some from those few months!
Have you tried babylegs? I've found them to be by far the best thing for EC that I've found.
post #240 of 281
What is the sign for "potty"? We are buying one this weekend.

DD is 14 months tomorrow and she's been cloth dipes all her life and often bare bummed around the house nowadays. We've been signing "pee", "poop" and "diaper" from day 1 but are now actively getting into the ECing. Yeh!
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