What causes autism? - Page 7

[MammaV]

The Zapper

Has anyone used this product to help achieve health in kids with ASD or who are vax injured?
I used one tonight for the first time. In my busy schedule, keeping my kids well, I got sick. I guess Mom does need sleep sometimes... A friend of mine is using it to help cure her cancer. I noticed improvement after two hours use. Like to have some feedback...
http://www.drclark.com/pictures/zappertext.htm

[JaneS]

RE: viral infections

The Enzymes and Autism Yahoo group is using Enzymedica's Virastop right now, they are doing a trial www.enzymestuff.com

[Tracy]

bump.

[Bestbirths]

Oh, I want the zapper in the worst way! Our son just finished his first round of DMSA chelation. We noticed no negative effects, and he continues to be more and more interactive with the family each day.

We have ordered the Virastop...we will take it with candex, biotin, olive leaf extract.....maybe colostrum...I don't know...is colostrum casein free???

I just tested ds urine for ph and it was extremely alkaline...so sigh....I am wondering what good it is going to do to treat ds for viruses when his body has an ideal invironment for them to grow????....interestingly my dh is extremely acidic...his urine is the equivalent of acid rain.....What to cook with these two opposite characters!!!!! My head is spinning

I might try giving ds something someone on the aut/merc yahoo group uses called a mito cocktail.

I might try giving ds a protocol to increase acetylcholine. I couldn't explain why, but it has something to do with the negative reaction he had to the probiotic. We found out that ds needs a special D-lactate free probiotic when the whites of his eyes turned yellow from a Klare labs probiotic...the "special" probiotic is $165...I have yet to order that. The yahoo group autism mercury is helping me figure this all out.

[Bestbirths]

We purchased the dmsa w/o a RX and 80% of the supplements ds is taking from here

We also got the hair test there, w/o a RX, because we live in the same state. I can order any test just about that ds would need w/o an RX.

The Great Plains Lab is 10 minutes from my house....I love the whole idea of not paying for shipping! but, I am thinking switch from the new beginnings brand to Solaray on some items because Solaray is even cheaper, and I work at the health food store and can get Solaray brand in exchange for work.

[JaneS]

Why mercury challenge tests are not effective as a diagnostic tool:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/1723.html

[JaneS]

Interesting discussion of diet and mercury toxicity, especially the role of cholesterol in clearing toxins from the body through a case study of a woman with mercury poisoning (and an autistic child):

http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/mercury.html

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

And that comes back to selenium, and the whole glutathione/liver/bile/toxin/cholesterol thing that comes in on the nutrition/immunity thread.

[Mirzam]

I found this an interesting read:

Autism - the vaccine connection

http://www.saras-autism-diet.freeservers.com/

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Wow, that was a major read.

I can see the logic there. What concerns me genetically though is that such a radical change in utero means that these children reacting to lutein have such a restricted diet, its little wonder their amino acids have to be supplemented on it.

Sure, there is major improvement, and some of these children "come back" but the implications of this for the genes of future generations don't bear thinking about.

It's horrifying in the extreme, and lets be brutal about it. As women, and as parents we have to accept responsibility for being sucked in, for allowing ourselves to live lives so far removed from what is right, that babies in utero develop defence mechanisms like this.

Horrible though this may sound, the implications for these children should they too have children, and the long term implications for the genetic base of the world is horrifying IF the methylation or genetic damage cannot be reversed.

This is exactly the sort of solution the world does NOT need in the long run.

Somehow, we have to go back "further" and work it out properly so that it doesn't happen.

You can't just blame vaccines as they do here. It's not "just" vaccines. I agree its part of the equation through many generations, but its not the whole story.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

This makes about 96% sense to me.

One area that doesn't is that most of the autistics after MMR vaccinations developed protective food choices, or "picky eating" after the MMR. Some of the childrne went on total probiotic binges, only eating yoghurt, kefir and krauts; refusing anything else, and ironically they are the ones that are now best off where their parents haven't done anything.

But if the "start" was after vaccination, where does that leave the 8 week in utero theory?

http://www.saras-autism-diet.freeser...connection.PDF

the other bit that sticks in the craw is the implications.

[Momtezuma Tuatara]

Interesting in this one about carotenoids.

http://www.saras-autism-diet.freeser...ism-lutein.pdf

I didn't know this, and will print it out and research it some more. Funnily enough when I've advised people to take carotenoids, I've always done it with hesitation even here, and said that I prefer CLO, but because the medical profession has gotten down on me before for suggesting that, have suggested carotenoids for pregnant women.

If further research proves to me that the carotenoids, is yet another medical lie, then That will just add another "final" nail in their coffin in my brain.

Now, how many final nails is that?

[JaneS]

Another nail?

While medical orthodoxy claims that consumption of large amounts of carotenes has no downside, it is possible that dependence on carotenes for vitamin A, even in those who are good converters, compromises other biochemical functions in subtle ways.

The so-called nontoxic betacarotene supplements contain a synthetic form of carotene, just one of 50 or 60 carotenes found in the typical diet. The biological activity of synthetic betacarotene is much lower than that of the natural complexes of carotenes and, in fact, may put stress on the immune system Studies with humans and rats given synthetic betacarotene found an increase in white blood cells. In cancer trials, synthetic betacarotenes were not found to be protective. In fact, in one study, patients given synthetic betacarotene had worse results than controls (NEJM April 1994 330: (15);891-895).
http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...aminasaga.html

The effect of vitamin E and beta carotene on the incidence of lung cancer and other cancers in male smokers. The Alpha-Tocopherol, Beta Carotene Cancer Prevention Study Group.

"Unexpectedly, we observed a higher incidence of lung cancer among the men who received beta carotene than among those who did not..
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

Effects of a combination of beta carotene and vitamin A on lung cancer and cardiovascular disease.

CONCLUSIONS. After an average of four years of supplementation, the combination of beta carotene and vitamin A had no benefit and may have had an adverse effect on the incidence of lung cancer and on the risk of death from lung cancer, cardiovascular disease, and any cause in smokers and workers exposed to asbestos.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

Jane note: might there be a difference b/c the synthetic form of vitamin A retinyl palmitate was used? What on earth does modern medicine have against natural vitamins for goodness sakes!! I just love it that when vitamins are finally studied, they still get it wrong. My search pulled up a ton of alpha tocopherol cancer studies as well and ... same issue... natural vitamin E has many other factors.


Randomised trial of alpha-tocopherol and beta-carotene supplements on incidence of major coronary events in men with previous myocardial infarction.

INTERPRETATION: The proportion of major coronary events in men with a previous myocardial infarction who smoke was not decreased with either alpha-tocopherol or beta-carotene supplements. In fact, the risk of fatal coronary heart disease increased in the groups that received either beta-carotene or the combination of alpha-tocopherol and beta-carotene; there was a non-significant trend of increased deaths in the alpha-tocopherol group. We do not recommend the use of alpha-tocopherol or beta-carotene supplements in this group of patients.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

[Bestbirths]

That WAS an interesting read

One of the most common responses of the immune system is to convert wheat and dairy proteins (gluten and casein) into powerful morphine-like opiates. This is done to protect the body and mind from the stress and suffering caused by the immune response to dietary lutein. Removing gluten and casein without removing lutein will lead to a temporary 'waking up' as the opiate level recedes, followed by frightening reactions to lutein-containing foods. These have wrongly been described by other writers as 'phenol reactions' and 'yeast die-off'. Although phenol reactions can occur as phenol sensitivity increases on a GFCF diet, it is the lutein reaction that keeps the body in a state of metabolic chaos. Yeast die-off may happen at some point later in the healing process, but the symptoms are very different to a lutein reaction.

Especially this....my son has not enjoyed the treatments we have been doing because he feels more pain. He is more keyed in to his symptoms, and his only way of coping before, was to ignore his symptoms. Basically, he has lost all of the morphine like qualities of the gluten and casein.....

Question? Do you still get the morphine like qualities from gluten and casein if you cheat with enzymes?

Sigh...I'm checking into the Sara's Diet.....Ds has been really mad and unable to cope with his symptoms lately, and he blames the treatment and all of the vitamins and the diet.....which kind of fits in with what they are saying here.

BTW, ds WAS on EPD, which they mentioned in that article, and when his EPD wore off, he became more autistic.....

EPD would be $500 every 2 months....I would like to get ds back on that. I guess we may try eliminating lutens for a short trial.

[LongIsland]

Originally Posted by Bestbirths

Question? Do you still get the morphine like qualities from gluten and casein if you cheat with enzymes?

I've heard of parents "cheating" with enzymes will no adverse effects and it worked out well.

We used digestive enzymes while we did the diet, but it wasn't for that long. I had to open up the capsules in his food and it was hard to disguise the horrible taste. Plus we were trying to remove high phenolic foods as well (such as tomatoes), and the only thing that disguised the taste was ketsup. Figures.

Did your son have glassy eyes and dialated pupils?

[Bestbirths]

My son has glassy bloodshot eyes....and lives in a room that is darkened because of his migranes....so I haven't notices his pupils, but would think they would automatically be typical for someone living without sunlight. (I let a little bit of sunlight in when he will let me by moving the blanket covering his window, but it is just a slight amount.)

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Bestbirths

Question? Do you still get the morphine like qualities from gluten and casein if you cheat with enzymes?.

Peptizyde in sufficient quantities is the only enzyme on the market that eliminates this.

And increasing enzymes has also contributed to the "more aware" feeling, Karen DeFelice talks about this in her book.

For me and DS both, we get hyper from high proteases.

[Bestbirths]

Did your son have glassy eyes and dialated pupils?

I checked ds eyes today and yep, they are very glassy and dialated, but I figured they were dialated because his room was dark. Why? What do you think this means? I thought glassy eyes were allergies....

[Bestbirths]

Peptizyde in sufficient quantities is the only enzyme on the market that eliminates this.

Peptizyde is what we are giving him, so does mean he has lost a major form of pain relief? What if he depended on the morphine like qualities of gluten and casien to deal with his constant pain? Now, he doesn't have that. No wonder he feels worse. I am at loss as to what to do about this, besides a trial of no lutien foods..or EPD, which we can't do right now...

Should we be using some other thing for pain relief now until we get this all sorted out? Natural Pain relief suggestions? I have heard of white willow bark, but never used that. We wouldn't want anything that stresses out the liver, since he is on round 2 of chelation with DMSA.

I bought borage oil and flax oil, to add to his orthomega fish oils he is already taking. I heard the adding of extra oils would help with fibro symptoms...so maybe I should add these first.

I just bought Olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, virastop, biotin, and l-lysine to start a viral protocol....and I wonder if these are going to cause die off and worsening of symtoms too. I plan on starting them slow. One new thing every 4 days or a week. Haven't quite figured out in what order to proceed with these, or if I need to have a pain relief or symptom relief in place before proceeding, but now that I write this out, I think I will introduce flax and borage oils prior to the anti virals.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Bestbirths

Peptizyde is what we are giving him, so does mean he has lost a major form of pain relief? What if he depended on the morphine like qualities of gluten and casien to deal with his constant pain? Now, he doesn't have that. No wonder he feels worse. I am at loss as to what to do about this, besides a trial of no lutien foods..or EPD, which we can't do right now...

Should we be using some other thing for pain relief now until we get this all sorted out? Natural Pain relief suggestions? I have heard of white willow bark, but never used that. We wouldn't want anything that stresses out the liver, since he is on round 2 of chelation with DMSA.

Yes, probably re: losing opiate effects with Peptizyde.

Is white willow a natural form of aspirin? Maybe look into homeopathy?

Are you giving minerals? Did DeFelice's book have any suggestions on migraines? (It's been a while since I've read it.) Maybe the Enzymes and Autism Yahoo group would have more suggestions for you. I'm sorry I cannot help.

If you start a viral protocol, does it include increasing vitamin A?