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post #21 of 113
One hurdle is that many people smoke it during pregnancy and their children (seemingly) have no problems. So they are the ones who "shout it from the rooftops" that it's ok to smoke pot during pregnancy. People like me are ashamed and embarrassed and disgusted with themselves, so we generally don't tell our story. I still worry that Child Welfare will take her away from me because of it. Even though that's kinda irrational.


BooBerryParker thanks for the hug right back atcha
post #22 of 113
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Originally Posted by austinmandi
This is my first post so I hope this is not a controversial topic, but I was wondering what your thoughts were on the subject. I have used medical cannabis for bipolar disorder 3 years now and I am scared to go without it but even more scared to harm the baby. I'm only 8 wks pg so I don't think my usage so far would harm the fetus but I could really use some feedback as to what everyone else knows/thinks about it. Thanks in advance!


P.S. I would also like to use it during my hb as pain management but I don't know what mw feel about this issue either.
I didn't want to say anything, so as to not get embroiled in another controversy and have this helpful part of the forum turn ugly, but this thread seems to be pretty calm. So, no, pot is not safe during pregnancy, and *especially* not during the early part. If you're still taking it, you should stop. There are other treatments for bipolar disorder, and I really encourage you to find a supportive psych/therapist that has experience with pregnancy issues.

It drives me very bonkers that people decide it's "natural" and therefore okay. There are SO many things that are natural that are very blatantly dangerous and terrible for pregnancy. Pot, especially if smoked, has a very large number of known carcinogens (and unknown chemicals as well), etc. It's rediculous to even consider it- I'm sorry. Those mothering articles cemented my distain for any research in that magazine. What garbage.

Now, saying all that, for severe morning sickness, there may be a role for the active component in pot- THC. The thing is, you CAN get that by perscription! It's called marinol, and it's used with cancer patients and AIDS patients, etc. That way, you know what you are getting exactly, you know the dose, and you can control it. You aren't getting all the other chemicals that are in whatever Mystery Pot you might be able to procure. I would like to see trials for women with severe hyperemesis (the life threatening kind) to try marinol, and I think it may help a lot. That way, also, if there are birth defects related to THC, the will find this out. It is pregnancy catagory C with respect to animal studies, which have not shown terrible results but some concerns.

I doubt that you will be able to get marinol (which is very heavily regulated) when there may be safer medications available to use for bipolar disorder during pregnancy. I urge you to look into this, there may be help out there you haven't been made aware of yet, and there is evidence that pot makes bipolar disorder *worse*. Perhaps something that worked in the short term is not doing you any favors in the long term! Good luck!
post #23 of 113
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Originally Posted by HaveWool~Will Felt
I work with the long term effect of cannabis use on children.
I totally agree with the above poster...

Moms that have or do smoke cannabis through their prenancies will without a doubt endure one or many of the above issues. I see it everyday.

Again....this is my experience. I am not judging. I am not pointing figures. This is what I have learned and observed through 12 years of working with drug effected children.
I am curious if you work with drug effected children that have been exposed to ONLY cannibis and not any other drugs. I don't know exactly what you do but its my unscientific opinion that often drug effected children that are in need of some kind of medical treatment were probably exposed to many drugs, including alcohol, and not just marijuana. Do you think that might be a majority of your cases? Or do you see many cases of children with issues that were only exposed to marijuana (while it might be hard to know since your taking a mother's word for it).

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Moms that have or do smoke cannabis through their prenancies will without a doubt endure one or many of the above issues.
I don't see how you can say this "without a doubt". That might be the case in the children you have worked with but there is no scientific evidence that says a woman using cannibis will "without a doubt" have a baby that is negatively effected. I have a completely different experience with this. I have never seen any ADHD, facial abnormalities, etc etc in babies that I know were exposed to only reasonable amounts of cannibis and absolutely no other drugs during pregnancy. And I know quite a few.

How do we know that some medical problems might not have happened anyway? There is little unbiased evidence that ties the problems mentioned directly to marijuana use.
post #24 of 113
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Originally Posted by HaveWool~Will Felt

Moms that have or do smoke cannabis through their prenancies will without a doubt endure one or many of the above issues. I see it everyday.
Your conclusion based on your experience is a false one. Even *if* you can know for sure that the children you work with were *all* exposed *only* to cannabis, that doesn't prove a causal link. And you don't see the many children whose mamas smoked mj during pregnancy and have no lasting effects.

If you met my daughter and I, you would not know I smoked during pregnancy. And because of the hysteria surrounding MJ in your country, and in mine to a lesser extent, I would not tell you.
post #25 of 113
Although this is jmo & not even slightly scientific I would suggest that you look at it in the same way you would consider taking any pharmaceutical drug during pregnancy...

1. Does the benefit to the mother's health outweight the potential risks?
2. Is there a less riskly product/treatment (or a product or treatment with less UNKNOWNS) available?

Personally, I would not risk it - but then I probably wouldn't risk a pharmaceutical unless I felt my health (mental or physical) was at a serious risk with out it. My ob had to bully me into taking an otc (unisom) to deal w my m/s - but I am glad I finally agreed...I've stoped losing weight & can function. I felt like in that situation, the small risk of an otc medication out weighed the damage the m/s was doing. So...I would say get as much info as you can - but then it's up to you to decide if the risks are worth it.
post #26 of 113
i didn't read the other posts, but wanted to add this. my midwife makes you sign an agreement about taking care of yourself and what your responsibilities are while under her care, one of which is refraining from any non-perscribed drugs....i guess if cannabis is perscribed, maybe that could still be taken.

however, i live in michigan. my brother's family has had 3 homebirths in oregon and their midwife said it was completely fine and there would be no ill-effects on the baby. she did however, caution against using within a month of giving birth in case they ended up in the hospital, and they found out, they might try to take the children.

IMO, if you're helping your bipolar (which i have struggled with), I say go ahead, i wouldn't necessarily bring it up with your doctor if your not sure they will approve. a midwife would probably just ask you not to if she wasn't ok with it, but wouldn't cancel you as a patient or anything. cannabis is A LOT milder and a lot less dangerous than some of the drugs they put us on to treat depression and such. when i was pregnant with my dd, the doc wanted to put me on paxil, that was three years ago and now they're showing paxil relates to birth defects and withdrawl symptoms. somewhere, fyi i saw a study that showed children of mothers who smoked moderately during their pregnancy showed equal if not superior skills in some academic departments (a long time ago, wish i could remember what) i think visual-spacial awareness may have been one.

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cause mental retardation, developmental delays, and facial cranial problems.
It is also thought to cause ADHD, attention problems, memory problems, and may be linked to early miscarriage and low birth weight babies.

I work with the long term effect of cannabis use on children.
I totally agree with the above poster...

Moms that have or do smoke cannabis through their prenancies will without a doubt endure one or many of the above issues. I see it everyday.

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this almost makes me laugh (i know that's rude, but i'm not trying to be) if you've ever been to any largely "hippy populated" communities, especially out west, a large number of moms are smoking pretty much all day and their children do not show ANY of these symptoms, and in fact,many have extremely high IQ's. I look at my brother's kids and they are all way above average in intelligence, clearly have no attention or memory problems and each weighed over 8 pounds when born. i know for a fact that my SIL
smoked pretty much all day every day. Now, if you look at someone who smokes crack or drinks alcohol, or even takes pharmaceudical drugs, there can be immediate obvious correlations to what was taken during pregnancy. I wouldn't doubt that these mothers who showed the above problems in their children, showed it out of coincidence OR they were taking/doing a lot of something else.

imo---ya'll can trash me if you want!

good luck, to original poster.
fyi, i did not smoke while pg with dd and do not smoke now
sarah
post #27 of 113
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Originally Posted by the_queen
I was a heavy pot-smoker before I got pregnant with my now 4 yr old daughter. When I found out I was pregnant, at 5 weeks, I stopped. I couldn't handle the m/s, but in retrospect I realise that I was also "withdrawing" from the pot I'd smoked every day for the past 4 years. So the nausea seemed 10 times as bad. So when I was 9 weeks pregnant, I started smoking again.

Long story short, my daughter was born with a bilateril cleft lip.

No matter what my drug counsellor says, no matter what my husband says, no matter what anybody says, I blame myself. I will blame myself forever.

I have a friend who is a homeopathic person. I don't know her actual title as she is not a doctor. Anyway, her grandson was born with a horrible cleft palate. He is 6yo now and has had several surgeries and will require more as he ages. So one day we were talking about this an I asked her what cause cleft palates and cleft lips. She explained that its really one of three thing A. a vitiamin B defiecency in the mother B. hereditary C. the baby keeping its hands at its face while in the womb and it interferes with the growth of the lip.

Now I am not a doctor but I think it is safe to say you can stop blaming yourself for your childs cleft lip. In her daughters case it was a combo it ran on the fathers side of the family and her daughter refused to take extra vitamins other than her prenatals while pregnant even though she pleaded with her to do so. Hope this info helps you. I have only read this thread to your post maybe someone else already shared this with you. Tina~
post #28 of 113
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Originally Posted by jenny-g
I There are other treatments for bipolar disorder,

But lithium, the main drug used to treat bi-polar disorder, is very dangerous during pregnancy.



And a cleft palate is caused by not enough folic acid (a B vitamin)


Mama, perhaps this is a stupid question...but are you sure you have bi-polar disorder? Have you had your thyroid levels checked? Sometimes that mimics bi-polar disorder.
post #29 of 113
There is no way to determine exactly what all these children have been exposed to. I apologize for not making that very clear when I posted earlier. When we have recieved a maternal history of the child...there is no way to know if it is the "truth" of not....

So, again....I am going off what we have on paper....my fault...should have been much more clear about this....

Thanks for stearing me in the right direction..

One other thing....In the state where I live, I am almost sure that mother and child are tested at birth (in hospitals). If the test comes back positive for any kind of drug...the child in put into protective custody immediatly.
The risk of this happening would scare me enough to not smoke or use...But than again...I haven't ever planned on having my babes in a hospital....make sense???

post #30 of 113
Pot is no different than "pharmaceutical" drugs, or ANY OTHER drugs. It's just not tested as well as some of them are, and you never know exactly what you're getting. There is nothing "special" about pot because it's hippy/crunchy/whatever- it's a dangerous drug and should not be taken during pregnancy, no matter what sort of ancedotal evidence people like to whip out about a certain kid being fine.

Why take the risk? If someone can't stop smoking in preparation for, and during, a pregnancy, they have a serious problem and need treatment. Pot is NOT like peppermint! Most drugs have plant origins. Becuase something is a plant, does NOT make it safe. Cocaine is from a plant. Is that okay too?!

I can't believe the ignorance about this topic. I don't understand why anyone would take the chance with their baby's health, and why on earth any midwife would condone it. This is really sad. I understand the original poster's dillema and problem, and she definitely needs medical care (and has obviously been self-medicating). But to treat it so cavalierly.. that's just pretty disgusting. Sorry. There's people in these forums freaking out about Rhogam shots and vaccines, but when it comes to taking a dangerous mystery unregulated drug FOR FUN, noone says anything. What on earth is going on here?!
post #31 of 113
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Originally Posted by jenny-g
Pot is no different than "pharmaceutical" drugs, or ANY OTHER drugs. It's just not tested as well as some of them are, and you never know exactly what you're getting. There is nothing "special" about pot because it's hippy/crunchy/whatever- it's a dangerous drug and should not be taken during pregnancy, no matter what sort of ancedotal evidence people like to whip out about a certain kid being fine.
Uh, cannabis is not a pharmaceutical drug at all. It is a plant, unaltered, unsynthetic. Natural. No more like cocaine than like peppermint. "Drugs" are not all the same, and it is just this sort of misinformation and fear mongering that contributes to a climate of hysteria around cannabis.
post #32 of 113
It really bugs me when people say something isn't true or is true because they know someone or a group of people for whom something did or didn't happen. This is not scientific evidence. It is a sample of one. I am not saying scientific research is flaw-free by any means, and that is certainly not the case when talking about cannabis, which is a very politically weighted drug. However, there is no denying that while people like to think of cannabis as "natural", it in fact has over 400 chemicals in it, including the same carcinogen which leads to tobacco-related lung cancer. The benefits would really have to outweight the risks on this one, like with any Class C drug during pregnancy. If I were you, I would be seriously looking into alternatives.

Also, as someone who grew up with a father who smoked pot regularly, I can tell you that, at least for me, the effect on my life was not benign. I bring this up in case you plan to continue using pot once your child is born. Pot makes a person really unavailable, and I needed my father to be present for me. I can't imagine another child feeling differently. So, while I'm trying not to react to this on an emotional level, I do think people's adamant political stance about pot-use sometimes eclipses a bigger problem, which is its effect on the children of those who use it.
post #33 of 113
I vote that it's safe. I will admit that I smoked and ate it during my pregnancy, almost daily infact and have had absolutely ZERO side effects. My mother smoked while pregnant with me, and again, no side effects to be reported. My son was born at term 7lb 8oz, and at 3.5 months is over 16lbs and right on target developmentally. I am a healthy intelligent young woman with no medical or physical problems to note that don't have a genetic link.

Of course it's not for everyone, and in the end you must be willing to take responsibility for your actions(like with everything else i.e.homebirth, not vaxxing, etc.), should something occur, but I honestly don't believe that marijuana will definitely make those things happen. There are many many mammas who smoked while pregnant/nursing and their babies/children are perfectly fine. I don't know how I would've made it past the morning sickness without it.

And FTR, I don't really think it had an effect on my labour, good or bad. My midwife didn't know that I was smoking either, never really gauged her feelings on it. Never was important.
post #34 of 113
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Originally Posted by kchoffmann
Also, as someone who grew up with a father who smoked pot regularly, I can tell you that, at least for me, the effect on my life was not benign. I bring this up in case you plan to continue using pot once your child is born. Pot makes a person really unavailable, and I needed my father to be present for me. I can't imagine another child feeling differently. So, while I'm trying not to react to this on an emotional level, I do think people's adamant political stance about pot-use sometimes eclipses a bigger problem, which is its effect on the children of those who use it.
Not to make your story seem unimportant, but I know many people whose parents were unavailable to them as children/teens, but because of jobs or relationships, not weed. Honestly if it's not one thing isn't itsomething else. Marijuana helps me to empathize with my children and not sweat the small stuff that normally drives me crazy. It could be said that it makes me a better parent to my babies.
My mother smoked pot and that has had very little effect on our relationship.
post #35 of 113
I know parents who smoked cannabis through out their children's childhoods and they weren't distant at all, quite the opposite. Some parent will be distant no matter what and that is really unfortunate. I know so many wonderful, well adjusted people that smoke cannabis on a regualr basis that I can't help but think some peope have been really misguided about the effects of it.
I would rather have smoked some cannabis for the horrid morning sickness I had while pregnant than take the pharmaceuticals that I was prescribed but I chose to do neither.
I don't partake but I am very very supportive of people who do and I think cannabis has many medicinal properties and imo is way safer and better than pharmaceuticals!
BTW, cannabis has been used for medicinal and spiritual reasons way longer than hippie, crunchy people have been around.

I just wanted to add though that in my state they can drug test you while you're pregnant with out informing you and they can do the same with your infant. They do take the babies away if you test positive for any illegal substance. My state has the strictest of such laws.
post #36 of 113
This argument strikes me very similar to arguments people made over whether or not smoking and drinking were okay during pg. I know dozens of people whose mothers smoked cigarrettes during pg and they are fine - no asthma, allergies, etc. On the other hand, most of the people I know who suffer with ashtma and allergies grew up in smoke free homes to mothers who didn't smoke during pg. I know 2 women whose mother was a raging alcoholic during her pg with each of them. Both are healthy, bright women. You can make the same argument with pharmaceutical drugs. Many mothers take them and their kids are fine. Yet, there are plenty of studies and cases that show kids being terribly affected by mothers who smoked or drank or took pharmaceutical drugs during pg. So many things are not recommended . My nutritional healing book is filled with natural remedies for all kinds of ailments but often cautions mothers not to take certain natural remedies while pg because research has shown links between that substance and birth defects etc. I don't buy the "natural" argument. Plenty of "natural" products are not same to consume/inhale/inject, etc.

Bottom line is that you really don't know for sure whether your baby will be affected or not. And if something does turn out to be wrong, who knows if you can directly tie it to something you took while being pg? My personal opinion, for what it's worth, is to avoid anything like that during pg. But I do understand that there is a risk/benefit in the OP's situation so I think the only think I would recommend is seriously thinking about the potential results and look into alternatives.
post #37 of 113
[QUOTE=AugustLia23] Marijuana helps me to empathize with my children and not sweat the small stuff that normally drives me crazy. QUOTE]

Really? How does it do that?

I'm not ignorant about the effects of smoking pot (this is referring to the last poster, not the poster who posted the above) - I smoked plenty when I was young. I have nothing against the use of marijuana. I am opposed to the way drug companies have controlled the way marijuana is understood in our culture. And I certainly recognize that there are many reasons parents can be emotionally unavailable or distant that have nothing to do with pot. But, you guys can't seriously tell me that you believe it DOESN'T make a person unavailable. I've been around plenty of high people throughout my life - tons of them - and they are not all there when high. It's the same when you have a couple glasses of wine every night or a few beers. It's still a drug.

I don't presume to know what it's like for other children of regular pot smokers. I'm just telling you my experience and letting you know how it was hard for me. And if someone isn't already thinking about that when they are high when with their children, I'm hoping they will. We may also be talking about different things. My father was an addict - he smoked every single evening. This is different from occasional use, like having the occasional glass of wine.
post #38 of 113
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Originally Posted by Sheacoby
I just wanted to add though that in my state they can drug test you while you're pregnant with out informing you and they can do the same with your infant. They do take the babies away if you test positive for any illegal substance. My state has the strictest of such laws.
Test you without your consent? Without your knowledge even? And then TAKE AWAY YOUR BABY???!!!???

Dude, the more I find out, the more your country scares the crap outta me.
post #39 of 113
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Originally Posted by thismama
Dude, the more I find out, the more your country scares the crap outta me.
It scares the crap out of me too, and I have to live here. Thank gods for homebirth.
post #40 of 113
When I was pg with Joshua I was on Access AZ/medicaid. I know its called different thing in different states. And during my first exam they tested for drugs without my knowledge because I was on Access. I guess if you can't foot your bill the gov can decide your care. I didn't find this out until someone else I knew was pg and on medicaid and tested positive. Now I may be wrong and maybe they test all women for drugs regardless of who their insurance company is. But I don't believe I was tested this time because I have private insurance this time and I read the results with my doctor this time. Who by the way was the same doctor I used with my son. And there were no results for drug testing in front of her. Tina~

PS I don't believe they test for pot I believe they test for harder drugs. The other woman that tested postive tested for Heroine and they said nothing about pot which she also smoked. And just for info this woman used Heroine on a daily basis throughout both her pregnancies had minimal and I mean minimal prenatal care and both children were born healthy but addicted. When I say healthy I am referring to no birth defects of any sort. And so far other than reflux and allergies which both runs wild in her and her family there appears to be no other problems with these children.
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