Being forced to immunize myself for school - Page 2

[Mariposa]

that sucks. it also sucks that some hospitals won't hire you for not being vaxed. i cried while i got my MMR a year ago as a condition of employment. my titers showed no immunity to rubella even though i had been immune 2 years prior when i was pregnant with DD. i only got one and didn't go back. i am pregnant again and this time i showed rubella immune, so i am going to hold on to those results and hope i never have to get tested by an employer again. i did use thuja, a homeopathic remedy after to hope to help with any side effects. i didn't have any, not sure if it was just luck or the thuja.

good luck to you! i hope they let you in without the vaccination!

[LongIsland]

NY State statutes require proof of immunity to MMR before entry to post secondary institutions; however:

May the institution require additional immunizations of their students?
Yes, that is the prerogative of the institution. Many colleges require additional immunizations or testing for medical and nursing students, those in health-related curricula or students studying veterinary medicine. For additional recommended immunizations, refer to the New York State Department of Health Immunization Guidelines or your local public health unit.

[libba]

JESSHHHHH! Didn't say I agreed with it just letting you know their 'reasoning'! Now going to hide away in lurkdom again!

[Plummeting]

Originally Posted by libba

JESSHHHHH! Didn't say I agreed with it just letting you know their 'reasoning'! Now going to hide away in lurkdom again!

Don't hide! It was this sentence:

They cannot let unvaxed folks around those with compromised immune systems and pregnant mothers.

from your first post that I was mainly responding to. The way that sentence is worded sounds totally biased, as if anyone who isn't vaccinated is carrying around all sorts of horrible diseases.

[suwannee]

[QUOTE=Plummeting]Were you aware that over 75% of OBs refuse to vaccinate themselves for rubella? Apparently not, so now you know. If the OBs won't even vaccinate themselves for it (because it is known to cause severe arthritis), then why the heck do the nurses have to do it?

Plummeting- I would be interested in seeing your source for this, as OBs work in the hospital and are subject to the same requirements as the nurses. As a nurse who works with OBs on a daily basis I am quite certain that more like 99% of OBs have received the vaccination.

[LongIsland]

Originally Posted by suwannee

As a nurse who works with OBs on a daily basis I am quite certain that more like 99% of OBs have received the vaccination.

I've read what Plummeting stated, can't recall where though.

If you think 99% of the OB's have been vaccinated for rubella, I've got a bridge to sell you. If I were an OB working in a hospital, I'd lie and tell the staff I was vaccinated too . . . and all the while my exemption letter would be neatly tucked away in my personnel file.

Not only do most parents keep their mouths shut about not vaccinating their children, but an OB not vaccinating themself is not something they would freely "advertise" to everyone. Just like the peds who don't vaccinate or selectively vaccinate their own children don't usually blab it to their patients' parents. No, they tell people what they "want to hear" in order to avoid any controversary and/or non-compliance among others.

By the way, did you know that roughly 4% of pediatricians don't vaccinate their own children. It's probably more now. That is a fact I found on the AAP website.

[tayndrewsmama]

Originally Posted by Mama Nurse

that sucks. it also sucks that some hospitals won't hire you for not being vaxed. i cried while i got my MMR a year ago as a condition of employment. my titers showed no immunity to rubella even though i had been immune 2 years prior when i was pregnant with DD. i only got one and didn't go back. i am pregnant again and this time i showed rubella immune, so i am going to hold on to those results and hope i never have to get tested by an employer again. i did use thuja, a homeopathic remedy after to hope to help with any side effects. i didn't have any, not sure if it was just luck or the thuja.

good luck to you! i hope they let you in without the vaccination!

I don't get it. Does Rubella immunity really come and go, or is the titres testing not reliable? Or is the person putting the results together the one that's not reliable if they need to get rid of some vax's?

[Plummeting]

[QUOTE=suwannee]

Originally Posted by Plummeting

Were you aware that over 75% of OBs refuse to vaccinate themselves for rubella? Apparently not, so now you know. If the OBs won't even vaccinate themselves for it (because it is known to cause severe arthritis), then why the heck do the nurses have to do it?

Plummeting- I would be interested in seeing your source for this, as OBs work in the hospital and are subject to the same requirements as the nurses. As a nurse who works with OBs on a daily basis I am quite certain that more like 99% of OBs have received the vaccination.

It was in JAMA 1981 that over 90% of OBs and 66% of peds refused rubella vaccination. Since then, the numbers have changed and I can't find them, but it's still over 75% of OBs refusing rubella vax. How would you know that they are all vaccinated? Do you ask them all? And if you do ask them all, do you ask them when they received their last vax and if they've had their titres checked if it was more than, say, 15 years ago?

[LongIsland]

Originally Posted by Plummeting

How would you know that they are all vaccinated? Do you ask them all?

Exactly . . .

. . . and more importantly . . . would you even get the truth if you asked them all? Even it it came up innocently in conversation, they would probably lie.

Unless an OB has a medical contraindication they want to share, they aren't going to go around letting people know they don't vaccinate. That would be like someone on the nursery staff handing out the Hep B package inserts to all the mothers in the maternity ward and urging them to read it before having their child vaccinated.

Even if we took a poll here, I'll bet the overwelming majority would vote to keep their mouth shut if they didn't vaccinate while employed in a hospital setting.

[libba]

Originally Posted by Plummeting

Don't hide! It was this sentence:

They cannot let unvaxed folks around those with compromised immune systems and pregnant mothers.

from your first post that I was mainly responding to. The way that sentence is worded sounds totally biased, as if anyone who isn't vaccinated is carrying around all sorts of horrible diseases.

Sorry that is what happens when you write and send posts at 5 AM in the morning or after a VERY long day at work.

[lilsishomemade]

I am a nurse, and while I am fully vaxed (we just didn't know anything about them then), I've never been asked to show proof of vaccinations anywhere, besides when I first started nursing school. And, I've worked in a prison, hospitals (all floors), nursing homes, home health, agency.....in two different states (Texas and Kansas, though, not New York). The only thing ever required for me was a current tb test.

[Plummeting]

Originally Posted by suwannee

Plummeting- I would be interested in seeing your source for this, as OBs work in the hospital and are subject to the same requirements as the nurses.

I forgot to say - no, the OBs are not subject to the same requirements as the nurses. Nurses are employees of the hospital. OBs are not.

[mamachandi]

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[Jane]

I would suggest working on your exemption.

If that's denied, try to get your titers checked to demonstrate immunity. Especially for those of us that were vaccinated as a child, we may have enough reaction left to show on a blood test.

PM me if you want my secret.