Wrong baby circumcised! Yes, it DOES happen... - Page 5

[Dave2GA]

I agree that we need to get the med schools teaching the correct material. Perhaps the best place to start is with the medical textbook publishers. If everyone with access to a med library would look through the pediatric, general anatomy, obstetric, nursing, urologic, and family practice texts and then write the authors and publishers to correct incorrect information (and believe you me most of the texts are full of incorrect info about the normal penis, the foreskin, progressive retraction, etc.) about the normal penis and circ, then perhaps they would begin to listen. There is power in numbers. In addition each person can educate their own OB and Ped by using the NOCIRC pamphlets. We need everyone doing all they can to promote the truth. Lawsuits are only so effective, because they are not brought that often. Not that one should not sue. On the contrary, suits are necessary to vindicate your child's violated rights. However, other methods can be at least as effective as suits in changing doctor's minds.

[Shenjall]

"Incedentally, I don't know if you ladies have heard of this case.
In the SAME city as this accidental circumcision was performed"


Actually, it was the same hospital. Slightly frightening.

Most of my kids were born there. My one intact son was saved by the nurses. They wouldnt give me the consent form and asked me many thought provoking questions on why we wanted it done. Of course, at the time I was pissed but it planted a seed let me tell ya. Thank you nurses!


FYI, the hospital has stopped all circumcisions while they investigate. I'm hoping it stays that way. The thing thats confusing me though, is that circ's are no longer covered by MB health, so you need to make an appt, pay, and come back later. As far as I understood, they stopped doing them right after birth. I wondered what happened to that policy?

[Paper-Bag-Princess]

The hospital where I had my son no longer performs circ. They haven't in years. I was so paranoid about someone circ'ing my son that I began telling my ob, from about 20 weeks on, that there was no way my son would be circ'd. I later found out that the hospital no longer performed them. If you wanted it done, you had to make an appt. at a clinic to have it done. My son was lucky. I was relieved to find out that the nurses on the mat. floor were all well aware of how to take care of the intact penis. Our family gp knows how to take care of an intact child, the ped. in the hospital was from an intact culture too. My son was lucky.

I feel so badly for that baby. I can't stop thinking of him and his parents. I sent my dh everywhere with our ds when I couldn't get out of bed (c-sect., don't get me started... lol!). I can't imagine how we'd feel, and the amount of unnecessary pain our son would've felt, when we already decided to leave him intact, and he was circ'd anyway.

I'm sorry, I just can't get past how pissed off I'd be that someone did that : . I hope that the hospital stops performing circs all together, and that the parents take the hospital to task for their utter negligence and incompetance.

[susienjay]

Originally Posted by Ruthla

Ugh- the whole medical system is so messed up in this country (USA) and the medicalization of birth is just rediculous.

I don't understand why they're circ'ing healthy newborn boys in an OB unit to begin with. Those who circ for religious reasons (like me) aren't going to want it done at the hospital anyway, and anybody who really wants it done for cosmetic/stupidity reasons can have it done at the ped's office in a week.

I totally agree with you. The hospital I had my twins at would even circ preemies as long as they weighed 4 pounds. I know of a couple that were circed over a month before their due date. It seems pretty irresponsible of the hospital to do surgery on a baby so small. One of the little guys I heard the doctor/nurses debating if the baby was actually ready to go home. If he wasn't ready to go home then why was he okay for surgery? He was so tiny I didn't see why his parents couldn't have had it done a week or 2 later. Plus they didn't even stay with him for the surgery. I don't know much about Jewish circ but I do know of one mom who delayed the bris because her son was a preemie.

Since I couldn't stay with my son all the time I put DO NOT CIRC in red sharpie across his chart. It got me some weird looks but at least it me feel better.

[LadyMarmalade]

Remind me never to have a baby in Winnipeg. That hospital should be shut down. First that poor guy whose entire penis they cut off. Then there was the baby they forgot to put the ID bracelet on, and it had to have DNA testing done. Then there was the mother who sued because they gave her the wrong child to breastfeed (she nursed it for an hour). And now they circumcise the wrong boy. Yikes.

[crissei]

During my pregnancy I told everyone that I never wanted my baby to leave my sight.
Well of course my all of my plans had to be scrapped. (see sig)
I had to watch my tiny baby endure countless medical procedures. He was constantly being poked with needles and had tubes and wires coming out of him. Then the day I had to leave the hospital without him (he was only 5 days old/ 31 weeks gestation) the OB came in and asked if I wanted to circ... I wanted to puke on the spot!
Yeah, my baby hasn't had enough pain yet, hasn't endured enough hell mabye we should start cutting parts off of him!

Anyway my point is , the 7 weeks DS was in the hospital was the worst time of my life, and one of the worst things about it was wondering WHAT were they doing to him when I wasn't there?

[rmzbm]

((((Crissei)))) Oh, man - I am so sorry. It's like adding insult to injury...gee, we haven't done NEARLY enough, let's rip some skin of the most sensative part of your body for good meansure!! Gross.

[Pandora114]

ok I hope I NEVER GET POSTED TO WINNEPEG! *Airforce wife, it is a possibility*

Sure it might be a nice city and all, with it's obvious draw backs, like only two seasons, bitter cold and mosquito. But man, does anyone know if midwifery is covered by the MB medicare because for crying out loud I am NOT gonna birth in that hospital *shudder* if that happens no THANK YOU. I'd go UC before I went there.

[Shenjall]

As a proud winnipeger, I cant help but feel slightly offended......its not the city's fault, its one crappy ob ward at one hospital. As another pp mentioned, they have an amazing research facilitly. St. Bonicafe Hospital has a wonderful NICU; the nurses are kind and caring. Well, I take back the "crappy ob ward", even the ob ward has changed. Theres a hot tub available to labouring women; private labour/delivery rooms with your own personal bathroom; rooming in policy. LC on staff, theres 24 hour breastfeeding hotlines in the city.
The biggest problem is with circ in general. It shouldnt be offered - period.

And like I mentioned before, they stopped doing it at the hospitals b/c MB health no longer covers circ's - you now have to pay out of pocket and make an appt with a ped urologist. This is what we were told when our last ds was born. He was a preemie, and our dr said he'd put on our chart that it had to be done before he was discharged so he could do it and save us the $170 (how thoughtful : ). This is where the nurses came in and refused to give us the consent form. I cant thank them enough for that. (we rethought and left him perfect and intact). Then when my dnephew was born (same hospital) they were told the same thing. Not done here, not medically necessary, heres the # to call. (sadly, wouldnt hear any info and went ahead with it).

Anyway, I'm done defending my city.

And yes, midwives are covered by MB health, our dd was born at home.

[Pandora114]

Still doesn't excuse the fact that ya'll have only two seasons out there, Farking cold and West Nile

I've had enough Cold and Skeeters to last me forever thanks *Borden ON, second in the mosquito population I swear*

At least ya'll cover midwives. Sure better than going to the hospital and either not making it due to being caught in a snow drift, or getting divebombed by the tons of mosquitoes and arriving as an anemic husk as soon as you walk out the door.

AAAH I'm just joshin ya

[Shenjall]

I cant deny it, you are right about the cold and mosquitos!

[Pandora114]

Yeah it's kinda hard to hide that. Mosquitoes the size of small pigeons....

All Canadians know that Victoria and Comox Valley BC are Gods Country where everything is peachy and beautiful and clean!

Lets just say I'm NOT looking forward to the cross country trip if I'm pregnant, because my DH is gonna get posted in June, and if this cycle is promising, I'll be out to *here* pregnant by then and well DND doesn't cover train trips, and planes wont take me. YAY Prairies in the summer while pregnant woooohoooohooooo

BAH

I'm thinkin Winnepeg aint that bad now, at least it's not far far far...

[autumn_faune]

"women need to grow balls"

How abouts if we just get brass ovaries?

[Maple Leaf Mama]

Originally Posted by Pandora114

ok I hope I NEVER GET POSTED TO WINNEPEG! *Airforce wife, it is a possibility*

Sure it might be a nice city and all, with it's obvious draw backs, like only two seasons, bitter cold and mosquito. But man, does anyone know if midwifery is covered by the MB medicare because for crying out loud I am NOT gonna birth in that hospital *shudder* if that happens no THANK YOU. I'd go UC before I went there.

EEEAAASYYY there!
As a born and bred Winnipegger, I take offence to you slamming my city because of a hospital's mistake (s)
Just so you know (because obviously, you've never been there), Winnipeg has 4 -count them, 4 seasons!
A much welcomed spring starting on April
A hot (albeit mosquito fouled summer)
A beautiful, usually warm fall (with the added Indian summers from Alberta)And a MUCH, MUCH warmer winter than when I lived there even 10 years ago.
Last winter we got a blizzard on Dec. 30. (It needs to be warm to snow, which is why they are more common in the spring)

I'm sure there can be nasty things said about every place on earth. But unless you've lived there, you shouldn't slam a place based on hearsay.

Sandy (who is a bit surprised that I got so protective of Winnipeg. LOL)

[Pandora114]

4?

Freeze your nuts off, Cold, not so cold and Mosquito?

And I've been there...well through there, and over there...so it's not like I've never really ever BEEN there..just passed through.

Bah. Rick Mercer makes fun of Winnepeg all the time. You just let him because he's famous

Let's give peace a chance and make fun of Quebec then shall we?

heheheh

[Maple Leaf Mama]

Originally Posted by Pandora114

4?

Freeze your nuts off, Cold, not so cold and Mosquito?

And I've been there...well through there, and over there...so it's not like I've never really ever BEEN there..just passed through.

Bah. Rick Mercer makes fun of Winnepeg all the time. You just let him because he's famous

Let's give peace a chance and make fun of Quebec then shall we?

heheheh

Are you kidding me?? It can get into the high 90's there during July and Aug. (Although last summer did suck)
As someone who has also lived in Quebec, I can and do make fun of it.
So I can live with that!

[Pandora114]

July and Aug fall into the Mosquito season.

And I can and do Make fun of Quebec too, I'm half French, my DH is full French.

Hell he was at his school the other day, and some Quebecer private damn near ran him and his fellow classmates over. My DH is a Cpl, the dummy was a Private, so my DH was allowed to dress him down. My DH went "ESTI QUEBEQUOIS!!" And it made everyone laugh because here was this french guy bitching about french guys!

Hey have you noticed that the ambient noise level is exponentially proportional to the amount of Quebecers in a room?

There's a real equation for it my DH made up

Q > 4 = N^8

Q beign the number of Quebecers and N = the noise level. Get it?

I love my family I really and truly do...

[nd_deadhead]

I live in North Dakota, 150 miles south of Winnipeg (but not far enough south to be any warmer!)

We get to pick from any number of season descriptions:

1. Winter 2. Bad sledding (though it's so flat here there isn't much sledding)

1. Winter 2. Road construction

1. Winter 2. Late winter 3. Mosquito 4. Almost winter


Actually, we do have lovely spring and fall weather - but usually they fall on weekdays.

I would rather endure cold than heat. One can always put on more clothes to stay warm - there's a limit to how much I can take off!

And we do get the most delightful Northern Lights.

[Frankly Speaking]

This is a hoot watching all of you Eskimos trying to defend that place for a guy that thinks being born this far north (Georgia) was a birth defect. :

Originally Posted by nd_deadhead

Actually, we do have lovely spring and fall weather - but usually they fall on weekdays.

Yeah, which two week days are spring and which two are fall?



Frank

[Maple Leaf Mama]

Originally Posted by Frankly Speaking

This is a hoot watching all of you Eskimos trying to defend that place for a guy that thinks being born this far north (Georgia) was a birth defect. :
Frank

Don't let any "Eskimos" hear you call them that! They'll string you up!
Eskimo means meat eater in English.
The PC term is now Inuit. Pronounced: in-u-eet.

I also just want to let the southern boy to know FTR, we do NOT live in igloos!

:nana: