WAS - another plea...NOW -discussion about Diapering - Page 8

[the_lissa]

Originally Posted by AngelBee

Ummmm....I know some mamas who owns well over 100 prefolds and use Gerber pants.

Overly purchasing items can happen whether you use hyena, basic, or in between.

Exactly my point. It is the consumerism, not the price.

[fullofgrace]

Originally Posted by annettemarie

I truly don't understand why some people insist on turning the reorganization of the diapering board into an us verses them issue. Is anyone being told that they cannot post certain things?

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I wasn't feeling it until this thread.

[PatchyMama]

Originally Posted by cielle

Exactly but "overly purchasing" is celebrated only in the diapering forums.

lots of mamas in the babywearing forum have more than one sling....i know some moms who have more slings than I have diapers. I dont judge them, they are wearing their baby and thats all that matters to me

[stacey0402]

Originally Posted by cielle

I think that's the heart of the question other posters here have. How do you define "need" and when you do you have "enough"? And what are the moral and ethical implications of posting about the fact that you have "more than enough" in a forum where most users advocate non-consumerism and simple living?

I see your point, and I agree.

[zexplorers]

Originally Posted by cielle

I think that's the heart of the question other posters here have. How do you define "need" and when you do you have "enough"? And what are the moral and ethical implications of posting about the fact that you have "more than enough" in a forum where most users advocate non-consumerism and simple living?

That is to be determined by the user, not to be judged by others. My needs may be different from someone elses but that does not make either one of us 'right' or 'wrong'.

Some people can live without electicity and running water - does that make them better than people who can't?

[fullofgrace]

Originally Posted by cielle

I think that's the heart of the question other posters here have. How do you define "need" and when you do you have "enough"? And what are the moral and ethical implications of posting about the fact that you have "more than enough" in a forum where most users advocate non-consumerism and simple living?

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(I can take a break from posting and just use this guy for awhile, since you worded that far better than I could. Cool!)

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by fullofgrace

You've been online the wrong times of day then. They were there. You simply missed them before they were pulled then.

Then someone please tell me exactly what was said, or at least as close as you can remember, and in what context (what exactly was the comment they were responding to?). That will help me know what to think about the possibility that it was just another complete misunderstanding like the prefold/snappi incident.

It seems like if it's happening as often as is being claimed, I would have seen at least ONE comment by now before it got pulled. I have seen LOTS of anti-hyena comments before they got pulled.

But to say that "now I can ask a question about a non-hyena diaper without getting called a troll?" Come on! That is SUCH a misrepresentation of the way the forum was before the split. I mean, people asked questions about frugal diapers ALL THE TIME and received nothing but positive comments!!

[Jennisee]

Originally Posted by annettemarie

I truly don't understand why some people insist on turning the reorganization of the diapering board into an us verses them issue. Is anyone being told that they cannot post certain things?

There may not be an official decree from the PTB, but in nearly every "us against them" thread (including this one), there are people saying that people should not be allowed to talk about diapering items that cost "too much," that are less available than others, etc. b/c it is not NFL enough, not Peggy enough, etc. I think that is what hurts many of the Diapering people who are trying to live a responsible NFL lifestyle.

[fullofgrace]

Originally Posted by Sustainer

TThat will help me know what to think about the possibility that it was just another complete misunderstanding like the prefold/snappi incident.

I'm not liking the implication that if a 'diapering regular' says something sarcastic and snotty that it is just a 'complete misunderstanding' and if someone who may not post in Diapering only (but who DOES cloth diaper) and rack up numerous posts there says something that ruffles feathers, then they are deemed a troll, cause trouble, etc. and are not given the same courtesy of 'oh this must be a misunderstanding'?

It's that whole immediate perception and immediate action thing again that is causing these issues. Why is one MDC mama excused off the bat and the other not? Both being MDC regulars they should both be given the benefit of the doubt.

[fullofgrace]

Originally Posted by Sustainer

Then someone please tell me exactly what was said, or at least as close as you can remember, and in what context (what exactly was the comment they were responding to?).

I had one right here in this thread. Let me go grab it and add it here.

post #66 refers to one recent occurance, then read on down through the posts after it.

[annettemarie]

Originally Posted by Jennisee

There may not be an official decree from the PTB, but in nearly every "us against them" thread (including this one), there are people saying that people should not be allowed to talk about diapering items that cost "too much," that are less available than others, etc. b/c it is not NFL enough, not Peggy enough, etc. I think that is what hurts many of the Diapering people who are trying to live a responsible NFL lifestyle.

I am hearing what you are saying. But how does dividing the board so that the actual infomation-type threads are one place, and the stash-sharing threads are another place translate to "you may not talk about diapering items that cost "too much." Every thread I have seen started to protest the split has been "them" (or "us" depending on your "side" I guess). Frankly, it seems less about us verses them and more about some people feeling their opinions should count for more because they're "regulars" and they don't want to be bothered to adapt to the new organization. If there's more to it, I don't see it.

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by the_lissa

I have been called a troll for just answering threads that aren't about hynea/prefold/etc

You are claiming that you were called a troll for no other reason than that you posted about a frugal diaper? Again, I would like to know WHAT was said and in what context. It makes no sense to me that, in a forum that has always welcomed and celebrated all forms of diapers, someone would see one of the many posts about prefolds and suddenly decide to call one of the posters a troll, completely out of the blue.

[fullofgrace]

Originally Posted by annettemarie

I am hearing what you are saying. But how does dividing the board so that the actual infomation-type threads are one place, and the stash-sharing threads are another place

I think of the Show & Tell forum as kind of a 'photo gallery'. When I want to look at someone's cute dipes or the latest trend in dipes (and where to get them) I go there. When I want to talk about diapers (what to buy, how to care for them, what to do with them etc) I go to the main forum. For me the split makes it easier for me to divide my time between the types of threads and what I'm currently needing, be it info or visuals of styles, etc. I can take what I want and leave the rest. (until later when I go back to it lol)

[zexplorers]

Originally Posted by annettemarie

I am hearing what you are saying. But how does dividing the board so that the actual infomation-type threads are one place, and the stash-sharing threads are another place translate to "you may not talk about diapering items that cost "too much." Every thread I have seen started to protest the split has been "them" (or "us" depending on your "side" I guess). Frankly, it seems less about us verses them and more about some people feeling their opinions should count for more because they're "regulars" and they don't want to be bothered to adapt to the new organization. If there's more to it, I don't see it.

It's all about some people feeling like they have no voice at all....

[Jennisee]

Annette, most of the "old Diapering regulars" (for lack of a better phrase) do not feel the split was about reorganization. If they had been approached by the mods with the suggestion of reorganizing the forum b/c it was hard to follow, I think most of them would have been open to a discussion about it. However, b/c of the way the split happened (and I'm not going to rehash that again, but if you're interested, feel free to PM me), most of them feel that it happened at the request of people who wanted to kick the hyenas out of Diapering b/c they weren't NFL enough.

Every time this issue comes up again, while there are those who talk about reorganization and ease of reading, there are also people who keep bringing up the hyenas and how they aren't NFL enough, Peggy enough, etc. And in general, these are the same people who requested the split. That is why the "old Diapering regulars" feel that this is an attack at them.

[annettemarie]

Originally Posted by zexplorers

It's all about some people feeling like they have no voice at all....

What would "having a voice at all" entail? Dictating the structure of the diapering board? Because, and if I missed this I apologized, as far as I can see no one is being told what they can or cannot post- they are being told where to put it in the interest of organization.

[fullofgrace]

Some of us are "old Diapering regulars" and are enjoying the organization the split provides us.

[zexplorers]

Originally Posted by annettemarie

What would "having a voice at all" entail? Dictating the structure of the diapering board? Because, and if I missed this I apologized, as far as I can see no one is being told what they can or cannot post- they are being told where to put it in the interest of organization.

I'm nak and Jenissee said it far better than I ever could so I will defer to her post...

[liawbh]

If I recall correctly, there was quite a bit of discussion, and many many ideas were tossed around. Quite a few people were having a hard time finding basic diapering info or getting basic questions answered because there were days (usually congo stocking times) when the entire first page was hyena posts.

Was there any way to resolve this that would have made the "regulars" happy? I think the PTB put a great deal of effort in to finding a solution. WHen protests were made, thay agreed to come back to the issue in a few months and see how everyone feels then. This is way more of a concession than was made for other board changes/reorganizations.

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by fullofgrace

And this makes a point -- 'seemed to be'. The perception of something does not make it true. And the post was a mama saying 'look what I got!' with a pic of a prefold and snappi. That was IT. Generic. And she, and anyone saying they were happy for her, got ripped to shreds.

No, that was NOT "it." I will describe what happened again, for the umpteenth time. The original poster announced very enthusiastically that she had scored a diaper, and she posted a picture of a prefold and a snappi. Then, her supporters made comments like "those are really RARE!" and "oh, I wanted to buy that one but you got to it first!" It was similar to previous threads making fun of hyena stalkings/scores. Then someone asked what made it rare, and one of the original posters responded with "it doesn't have to be rare to be special! : ".

They did not get ripped to shreds. One person posted that they thought the first few posters were trolls from TAO.

Even if it isn't true that we were being mocked, the point is that the troll remark was in response to the belief that we were being mocked. The point is that the troll remark was NOT in response to the fact that someone was happy about their prefold. The prefold itself had NOTHING to do with it.