WAS - another plea...NOW -discussion about Diapering - Page 9

[tara]

I posted hundreds and hundreds of times on the diapering board oh, 3 years ago. Does that make me an old diapering regular? And I've poked my head in a handful of times over the years until I got overwhelmed with it before the split. I like the split, like the organization of it.

[fullofgrace]

Everyone in Diapering still has a voice. It has been heard and replied to by TPTB. The problem is that some don't like the answer they received.

Members will only lose their voice if they stop talking (well, posting).

So post. Seriously. If you want to see certain threads and replies, and a certain number of them, put them up. If you post it, they will come. Heck, if it worked on the three threads I started in the past few days, it can work for you too. Someone has to start threads. We can't sit around and wait for them to *poof* show up.

[the_lissa]

Originally Posted by Sustainer

You are claiming that you were called a troll for no other reason than that you posted about a frugal diaper? Again, I would like to know WHAT was said and in what context. It makes no sense to me that, in a forum that has always welcomed and celebrated all forms of diapers, someone would see one of the many posts about prefolds and suddenly decide to call one of the posters a troll, completely out of the blue.

Actually it had nothing to do with a frugal diaper. There were a couple times I tried to jump in on threads and was snidely called a newbie or a troll, etc. It happened more than once.

[fullofgrace]

I already said, more than once, that in my opinion, this issue has very little to do with the topics at all, but with the PEOPLE reacting to topics that seem to be hot spots.

Oh, and describe your version all you like, it is a 'version', a 'perception' of events, not facts, not data, not evidence.

[liawbh]

Even if it isn't true that we were being mocked, the point is that the troll remark was in response to the belief that we were being mocked. The point is that the troll remark was NOT in response to the fact that someone was happy about their prefold. The prefold itself had NOTHING to do with it.

Yeah and the "fringe" thread was all about the hyena's being mocked, I suppose?

[tara]

They did not get ripped to shreds. One person posted that they thought the first few posters were trolls from TAO.

Since when is someone who posts regularly in another forum considered a troll?

[the_lissa]

Exactly, and when one complained of the clique-y-ness of the diapering forum, they are told to just jump in and post. Then, when we do that, we are chided and called trolls.

[fullofgrace]

Originally Posted by Sustainer

Even if it isn't true that we were being mocked, the point is that the troll remark was in response to the belief that we were being mocked.

Which is my point. There was no proof of an attack, just an assumption of one, even though it was a long standing MDC member who posted her joy at snagging a CD. "Well, we thought we were being mocked, so we attacked. but that was a mistake, so it's ok." That's skewed reasoning.

If we can't believe in, support, and be kind to our fellow MDC mamas, who will back us up when the REAL anti-MDC trolls invade?

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by fullofgrace

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I wasn't feeling it until this thread.

Read the thread in Q&S from before the split, criticising hyenas and calling for a separate forum for "hyena talk." A mod responded to that thread by saying that a plan to separate hyena talk from non-hyena talk was in the works and "be patient, changes are coming."

[Pynki]

Originally Posted by zexplorers

At the risk of beating a dead horse how is paying $25 for a handdyed, handsewn diaper made with organic materials by a woman making less than minimum wage per hour anti-nfl? I get a product I'm happy with ( and will pass on one day in one way or another) and I'm helping her stay home with her kids and put food on the table...... I'd much rather do that than buy products that were made overseas where the middleman gets all the profit.

Making LESS than minimum wage making it almost sweatshop like conditions?

Originally Posted by Stacey0402

see, this is where I see things differently. I don't see how paying somebody a living wage goes against Peggy's vision or is anti-nfl.

I doubt most WAHM's are making a living wage.

[fullofgrace]

Actually, I posted on that thread. I suggested and requested a separation of topics, not people. ie photos in one forum (which is how I view S&T, like a gallery of the latest dipes and kids modeling them) how to's in another, resources, saving $$, etc. Actually, I said in that thread, and I still think, the current subforums could be cleaned up and merged to continue to better organize info and make it easier to find and chat about. A lot is outdated stickies, a few threads of info in one whole forum, etc. But that's another topic all together.

In the statement you quoted, I meant I felt no division of 'sides' in the current 'board split' setup. Sorry I wasn't clear. I'm speed typing and it's far from my forte.

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by fullofgrace

I'm not liking the implication that if a 'diapering regular' says something sarcastic and snotty that it is just a 'complete misunderstanding' and if someone who may not post in Diapering only (but who DOES cloth diaper) and rack up numerous posts there says something that ruffles feathers, then they are deemed a troll, cause trouble, etc. and are not given the same courtesy of 'oh this must be a misunderstanding'?

I do not have a double standard. If anyone wants to say "oh, I didn't mean to criticize hyenas, it was just a misunderstanding," I will give them the benefit of the doubt. So far no one is claiming that. They are standing behind their statements that hyenas are overconsumerists who are not NFL.

So far I am not aware of any instance of a frugal diapering mama receiving a negative comment that did not turn out to be a misunderstanding.

[tara]

So, when that mama posted a picture of her sweet babe in a fringed dishtowel diaper and somebody got sarcastic and snarky with her, was that a misunderstanding? If so, did that poster ever say so, apologize?

[fullofgrace]

Not all those who diaper their kids in hyena diapers are overconsumerists because they purchase a hyena diaper.

Not all those who diaper their kids in hyena diapers can claim to be NFL because they buy cloth diapers.

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by fullofgrace

describe your version all you like, it is a 'version', a 'perception' of events, not facts, not data, not evidence.

The description that I gave is factual. The reason I cannot provide evidence is that the thread was pulled.

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by liawbh

Yeah and the "fringe" thread was all about the hyena's being mocked, I suppose?

I stopped reading the fringe thread when I got to what I felt was a kind of snarky post implying that the thread wouldn't have been welcomed in the old days (before the split).

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by tara

Since when is someone who posts regularly in another forum considered a troll?

Someone thought that the first few posters were TAO regulars "trolling" in the diapering forum, meaning that they don't normally post in the diapering forum and that they went there just to mock us. (I am not saying that this was the case, I am just trying to explain the other poster's use of the word troll. Not defending it, just trying to explain what they might have meant by the word "troll.")

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by the_lissa

Exactly, and when one complained of the clique-y-ness of the diapering forum, they are told to just jump in and post. Then, when we do that, we are chided and called trolls.

Another misrepresentation. I am not aware of any instance of someone being called a troll just for posting in the forum when they haven't regularly posted there in the past. The only incident I'm aware of when someone was called a troll, it was because they seemed to be mocking us.

There have always been people coming into the diapering forum who haven't posted regularly there before, or who haven't posted at all there before, and they have always been welcomed with open arms.

[Sustainer]

Originally Posted by fullofgrace

Which is my point. There was no proof of an attack, just an assumption of one, even though it was a long standing MDC member who posted her joy at snagging a CD. "Well, we thought we were being mocked, so we attacked. but that was a mistake, so it's ok." That's skewed reasoning.

It was not just a blind assumption. It really did seem like they were mocking us. "Those are rare!" "You bought it before I could!"

We did not attack them. One person made a comment about trolls.

I am not saying that what happened was okay. All I'm saying is that people should stop saying "someone posted a picture of a prefold and was called a troll because of it" because that was NOT THE CASE.

[mamajama]

Originally Posted by Sustainer

There have always been people coming into the diapering forum who haven't posted regularly there before, or who haven't posted at all there before, and they have always been welcomed with open arms.

I'm sad to say, I was certainly *not* welcomed with open arms.

Originally Posted by spatulagirl

Never once would I ever flame someone for how they diaper. It's stupid. And yet it has happened to me many many times.

You didn't "flame" me spatulagirl, but you did tell me that S&T was for showing expensive diapers and that regular flats or prefolds or whatever should be shown in the main Diapering forum.