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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Well, it's a very long and complicated story, but the gist is this:
I became acquaintances with a girl the same age as me with the same kind of life and history about seven years ago... we both met and married older men, had our first and second kids around the same time, etc. etc. We got pretty close in these last few years.

Problem is, tho... she's veeerry judgemental, and when she is having a hard time in her life, she takes it out on me. I'm not a good enough friend, I don't call her enough, I don't have her over enough... when she's down, I'm the root of all her evil and ills. Her two kids, who are the same age as mine, manipulate her very well... they'll cry and claim my son hit one of her daughters (even tho I was standing there the whole time and nothing like that happened), whine and lie to get their way when we do playdates, that sort of thing.

I finally confronted this "friend" and told her that if she did not open her eyes and see how she took out all her problems on me, we would have to have a strictly professional relationship (I'm a teacher at her dd's preschool.)

She retorted that I was cold, callous, and unfeeling, and that we would, indeed, have a strictly professional relationship from that point forward.

My dh was over the moon about this, as she almost broke up our marriage twice and her one dd he considered a "bad" influence on our dd. But now she's trying to sneak back in to our lives... she's trying to set playdates and that sort of thing. DH and I aren't into this... at all.

DH and I agreed that her kids were lovely when she wasn't around, and that we have no problem having her kids over to play, SANS mother. But the problem is..... how do you tell another mother this? No matter which way I cut it, the message will sound like: you are a bad mom and your kids are only welcome when you are not around.

So she's probably getting angry that I'm blowing her off... but at the same time, I cannot be truthful because she is very defensive and has always played the "poor me, innocent victim" role... she's never in her life taken responsibility for her words and actions, which is why we are no longer friends.

She's upset and angered so many people that most have alienated her.... and she still doesn't understand why, even tho every one of us have tried to explain it to her as nicely and compassionately as possible.

WWYD?
post #2 of 14
I don't think you could have playdates with the mom being involved- doesn't sound like that type of person.
I'd restate that you only have a professional relationship now and you don't want any more involvement with her. She'll be mad. I don't think there is a way to avoid it. I wouldn't bring the kids into this or her parenting at all.
Good luck.
post #3 of 14
I hate to say this but are your kids in any way missing out by not playing with these other children? If they aren't then I would just restate what she herself said, we are only professional here, I like the ways things have been going since we decided that and I would like to keep it this way. Like you said, her dd is a bad influence, she is bad news, and you and your dh are happy without her or her kids. Why even think about opening that can of worms?

Good luck I know that this must be very hard
post #4 of 14
How about saying that you want a break from the friendship as it didn't seem to be working, but that you don't want to deprive your children of their friends, so that her children are still welcome to come over and that it's up to her if she's o.k. with this or not. Explaining that your kids won't be going to her house is more difficult. Maybe just ignore that and let her get the point on her own? Hmmm. Not sure this is good advice, just felt like adding. It sounds stressful to everyone. I feel a bit sorry for her, but it does sound like she's not even admitting that she was blowing off steam on you and that she isn't likely to change.
post #5 of 14
I had a friendship kind of like this and it was exhausting. Eventually I just had to cut it off completely, which of course she turned into anotehr reason to tell me all of my faults. It was hard to do but I am so relieved that I did it. My kids asked about playing with her children for awhile but they made new friends and are fine now. This woman who wa my friend has borderline pesonality disorder - the patterns sound familiar to what you are going through with your former friend. As much as my children liked her kids, I couldn't see any long term benefit in allowing my kids to be influenced by their mother who was so destructive. She worked with my husband and tried to sabotage our marriage many times. It is a sad situation, but there is only so much you can do.

She won't understand, people like this do not think logically or listen rationally when it comes to relationships. Don't take it personally - it really has nothing to do with you, no matter what she feels or says.
post #6 of 14
I agree, there's nothing you can say to her that will make her see reason. People like that just can't be reasoned with. Just tell her again what you told her before, and if she keeps calling you, either screen your calls and don't pick up when it's her, or tell her you're too busy to talk and hang up before she can say anything other than "Hello". Who cares if she's angry? You don't want to continue a friendship with her anyway, and other people know what she's like, so even if she has any friends left to complain about you to, they'll know why you did it.
post #7 of 14
she's a psychic vampire. you can't maintain the kid's relationships without her being in your life. there really is not a good way to say that her kids can come over without her and your kids can't go to her house. it will set her off no matter how you word it.

nip this in the bud. you need no contact.

i know it is harsh and i do feel for her kids but she is toxic. YOUR sanity is the priority here.
post #8 of 14
Unfortunately, that is what a therapist would call a toxic friend and we know what we need to do with toxic friends.

Bjortandcompany
post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks, everybody.

It's just hard, because I HAVE cut off all contact outside of work... but I AM one of her dd's teachers and I see her every day when she comes to pick up her kids. So here and there she'll casually ask if we'll come to play tomorrow, or if the kids can come over to play on the weekend, etc. etc. So I have SOME contact that can't be avoided... and it just keeps setting up this really uncomfortable dynamic because I really cannot verbalize what is really going on, as she is incredibly defensive.....
post #10 of 14
run, do not walk away from this woman. do not look back!

the fact that you let her back into your life after she almost wrecked your marriage once makes me wonder what you are getting out of this very unhealthy relationship. once you answer that question (to yourself) you should find saying no to her fairly easy.

when you see her at school, smile, nod you head, allow your eyes to glaze over and stare at a point over her left shoulder. answer any questions about her dd & school the way you would a perfect stranger and when she asks you about playdates, etc, say "excuse me i have to go to the bathroom now" and walk away. after you do this 6 times or so, she will stop talking to you. if you speak to her about anything other than school you are inviting her back into your life and, to be blunt... you'll get what you're asking for.. more problems.

this woman isn't just toxic, she's abusive and you owe it to yourself, your children and your marriage to stay as far away from her as you can.
post #11 of 14
That has to be really difficult! It would be easier (and possibly healthier) not to have any contact with her at all. But you have to see her every day! At least you *are* in your professional environment when you see her. If she tries to bring up any personal stuff, you can deflect it by saying "this is not the time or place for that discussion."
post #12 of 14
How about just tell her "no" they can't have a playdate each time she asks until she stops asking, without making excuses or acting as if you have anything else to say about it. If necessary, say that you don't think having playdates will work for your family.

I agree with pps that you can't really keep her kids in your life after-hours. Better to cut it off, and initiate some new friendships.
post #13 of 14
Yeah, don't allow her to leech off you anymore. I have a friend, means well, but every time I talk to her, something crazy is happening with her love life. Her husband is from another country, and expects everyone to follow his customs, but refuses to acknowelage American customs. He ruined her birthday, constantly embarasses her, his family is EVIL, and nothing ever changes.

I went without talking to her for a few weeks, and I felt much better. I care about her, she's a sweet girl, but the problems that she has are too much for me to handle sometimes!

This woman sounds like she needs some therapy. I wouldn't advise letting her, or her children into your house. Maybe, a few years from now, she'll get some therapy, work out her problems, and learn to be a normal person.

Until then, hide!! :
post #14 of 14
I think the phrase you are looking for is "I'm sorry, that is not possible." Repeat this each and every time she issues an invitation and eventually she should stop asking -- or her child will outgrow preschool. Its true, its quick, its simple, and its polite.
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