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post #61 of 91
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did you start vaccinating and then stop?
This is what I did. I didn't know better until my child ended up with a seizure after her 2 month shots. I wish I had read up on it more. After doing all the reading I have, I'm flabbergasted at what I was not told by her doctor that I ended up firing. Thankfully I now have a better doctor that understands the negatives of vaccinating and supports my choice.
post #62 of 91
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She just said that the diseases might become more common if less and less people vaccinate. For the vaccinations that work, it is true.
Incidentally, this has YET to ever be proven.
post #63 of 91
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Originally Posted by Sherra
Incidentally, this has YET to ever be proven.

Definately NOT trying to start a debate... but I am interested to know how you would explain the commonality in third world countries of the very diseases that used to be common in our country? Why are people dying every day of diseases that are easily preventable by vaccination? Is it then illogical to come to the conclusion that the vaccines just might work? I would take the slight risk of damage to my child from a vaccine any day over the thought of my entire community dying in the streets from diptheria. I'm not arguing the fact that there are risks involved with vaccinations. Of course there are. There are risks with any medication you take or medical intervention that you might need. IMO, the scale of greater good obviously tips in favor of vaccines. I don't care if pharma companies make money. All companies make money, it's no surprise. I have always been confused by the feirce blame on vaxing when it comes to autism. Why do you think that England, for example, who vaxes their children much later and less than we do, have the same rate of autism? By younger brother has profound autism and MR. Another brother has high functioning Asperger's with a genious IQ. My daughter has been diagnosed with PDD on the autistic spectrum. How would you explain that? A HUGE coincidence of people damaged by thermosil in the same family or maybe just genetics? My mother was part of the militant anti vax army when I was a kid. She was totally convinced. She Is/was uber crunchy and homebirthed, cloth diapered, etc. The vaccines felt unnatural to her, so of course she picked up that cross to bear and ran with it. It made sense to her (so I DO understand why it makes sense to all of you) until my other brother showed signs of having an autistic disorder and she came to know other families who never vaxed their children, but still were touched by autism. My dd's issues reinforced her new beliefs even further. Just something to chew on.
post #64 of 91
I was going to answer in general terms - but I can't speak for anyone but myself.
My decision not to vaccinate had nothing to do with Autism.

And after reading the books and research I have I came to the conclusion that the vaccines are not the cause of the decline in these diseases.

I personally believe good hygiene is the answer.
post #65 of 91
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Originally Posted by craftykitty
Definately NOT trying to start a debate... but I am interested to know how you would explain the commonality in third world countries of the very diseases that used to be common in our country?
Sanitation. Clean water. Sewer systems.

-Angela
post #66 of 91
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Originally Posted by alegna
Sanitation. Clean water. Sewer systems.

-Angela
Yep. And maybe better nutrition. Although there is some issues here with malnourished/obese people which is uniquely American and worth a seperate thread one day.
post #67 of 91
Yeah it's a strong combo of much, much better nutriontion and then sewer systems and clean water. Also better hygenine overall, docs wash hands now between patients etc.
post #68 of 91
Craft kitty, you may wish to start a separate posting to have people way more qualified than I to answer your questions in depth.

I have only been at this for 8 or so months but many here have been at this for years and know it way better than I. Here are some of the things I have picked up but there are many other things that do not support what you have just said.

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but I am interested to know how you would explain the commonality in third world countries of the very diseases that used to be common in our country?
Disease is ugly, it can kill people. So are vaccination affects. But how does one explain how come other countries have declined in quite a few diseases without implementing a single vaccine? Why do quite a few charts from the cdc itself show a decline in diseases before a vaccine is released yet the vaccine gets the credit in the end? Some diseases are completely eliminated by the time a vaccine is even distributed or even developed.

Hmm..something to chew on there .


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Why are people dying every day of diseases that are easily preventable by vaccination?
Preventable? That is the rub. When the statistics are messed with as in my daughter's case as well as several parents I've met that have vaccine damaged children, How do you prove that it is so easily preventable? They weren't going to count my child's siezure as a side effect..and I've met quite a few parents who had that happen to them as well. There are even support groups for these parents of vaccine damaged children. There also are quite a few parents that have children come down with whooping cough and other "vaccine preventable" diseases that WERE vaxed..yet the docs do not count it as the disease happened because they were vaccinated and no way could they have "that disease", they label it something else. I have talked with several parents that have had this happen. So about those stats that we can believe in?

I'm not meaning to come across as a jerk but you probably should think about some of this before buying into the rhetoric. They have to prove it to YOU, not the other way around. I have a background in science and I'm appalled at how they run vaccination safety and effective trials. Look into just that alone and it's silly how we accept these trial runs as valid..compared to other drugs that they release.

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Is it then illogical to come to the conclusion that the vaccines just might work?
When they play with statistics, logic from their side number wise goes out the window. Their own graphs do not even support it. It's logical to me that again, they need to prove to ME that it is safe and effective, they have not.


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I would take the slight risk of damage to my child from a vaccine any day over the thought of my entire community dying in the streets from diptheria.
I find this a sad thing to say, especially since this is coming from a person who has not experienced their child having a vaccine reaction that is severe. Being that my child nearly died from hers, I do know a parent who says this really doesn't fully understand what they are saying unless it happens to them. I actually said what you said BEFORE it happened to me and now I realize how foolish it was to say such a thing as I stayed near my daughter's bedside in NICU for 3 days with maybe 2 hours of sleep. I also have talked with other vaccine damaged children's parents, and they also said the same thing as you....UNTIL it happened to THEM.


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I'm not arguing the fact that there are risks involved with vaccinations. Of course there are. There are risks with any medication you take or medical intervention that you might need. IMO, the scale of greater good obviously tips in favor of vaccines.
Of course risks are involved, but I'd appreciate it if the scientific community didn't play with facts to skew things toward vaccines so I could know the TRUE risks. I do know for a fact that they skew because they tried to use my daughter to skew them. How can one make an educated decision and rely on their so called facts when they are skewed? Why should I put my child in harms way when they can't prove it? Greater good? Do you realize what all new diseases our children have now a days they didn't have back then? Are we trading in a bunch of poison injections and messing with nature thinking we are preventing disease yet we might be causing other diseases injecting this stuff into a growing body? Could we be keeping some of these diseases around by vaccinating them when they would have died out like several other diseases already that never had vaxes made? Something to think about.


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I don't care if pharma companies make money. All companies make money, it's no surprise.
Personally, I wouldn't care who was making money off of it if I thought that 1) they are effective 2) were safe . When data is skewed, that is when you have to look at conflict of interest. I would have fully vaxed my daughter until she nearly died..and it made me stop and think. Now why on earth would the hospital doctors tell me to watch out vaccinating her and I may want to rethink even going further with vaccinations yet her ped was ready to shoot her up? Now that is odd...two professionals think differently and give different advice..and the favor tips in the way of vaxes? No, they need to prove to ME that the vaxes work and they didn't do that. The pro vax doc sat on her hands and had no answers except to keep injecting. That is not good medicine and it screams of conflict of interest. One needs to keep their mind open to conflict of interest when looking over data.


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I have always been confused by the feirce blame on vaxing when it comes to autism.
I wish you could have talked to the parents that I've met who have autistic children. Most of them noticed a difference RIGHT after their shots. We are talking total regression all of a sudden when they were doing JUST fine the day before. Docs push that is ridiculous but other docs do not..why the difference in OPINION??? I maintain that no one knows a child like a parent and it's a crying shame that we have devalued parental intuition and uplifted the doctors in the USA. None of us have a crystal ball to tell the future but one thing I do know...formaldahyde, mercury, aluminum, anti freeze are NOT logical to inject into a growing body such as a child.


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Why do you think that England, for example, who vaxes their children much later and less than we do, have the same rate of autism?
I'm not one who keeps facts and figures about this stuff at the tip of my fingers, nor did I study autism since my daughter had a seizure and I studied that, but I found it interesting that other countries have not found this to be true. Even in Japan they noticed that when they put off the dtp shot till the age of 2, the sids rate reduced dramatically.


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By younger brother has profound autism and MR. Another brother has high functioning Asperger's with a genious IQ. My daughter has been diagnosed with PDD on the autistic spectrum. How would you explain that? A HUGE coincidence of people damaged by thermosil in the same family or maybe just genetics? My mother was part of the militant anti vax army when I was a kid. She was totally convinced. She Is/was uber crunchy and homebirthed, cloth diapered, etc. The vaccines felt unnatural to her, so of course she picked up that cross to bear and ran with it. It made sense to her (so I DO understand why it makes sense to all of you) until my other brother showed signs of having an autistic disorder and she came to know other families who never vaxed their children, but still were touched by autism. My dd's issues reinforced her new beliefs even further.

I don't think anyone has ever said that autism is caused only by vaccinations. I'm sure that it can have several causes anywhere from what we cook in, insecticides, formaldhyde in everything among other chemicals, packaged food has many chemicals, things put on your skin have unhealthy chemicals..don't even go to the dollar store if you care about anything you put in you or on you..many of that stuff is not approved material wise, yet it's on the shelf....many many things we have today that we didn't have back then...who knows right?

Perhaps in 20 or so years they may have more answers but I do know we can't get there if the medical field hides it's head under the sand and is in bed with pharma. Being that I used to be in pharma for about 4 years, I kinda know that area .


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Just something to chew on.
I'm afraid I haven't been given a thing to chew on...but I do hope I've given you some things to think about.

Again, I maintain science has not proven a thing that vaccinations are the panacea. Until they clean up their statistical analysis, they have a long way to go. I don't debate vaccinations as I'm a pretty busy person and choose to tell my story for people to listen and they can then go read and make their decision. But I felt I should atleast address your initial inquiries.

Wish you well.
post #69 of 91
8 month old vaxed up to 2 months. No more shots for her. I wish we were more informed before then! :
post #70 of 91
I am sure your DD is perfect anyway, Avocado!

post #71 of 91
Sherra, thank you for your well thought out replies. Like I said, I wasn't looking for a debate... I was genuinely curious about what some of you thought of those things. I'm glad that there can be respectful debate here on this topic.

As far as the "sadness" of saying I would rather my child be damaged by a vax than the whole community be damaged by a disease, I surely wasn't saying I don't care if my child is damaged! I meant that I personally believe (just as firmly as you believe otherwise) that vaccines are the framework on which our status of a healthy country is standing on. I really believe that if we do not each do our part that it will crumble and we will regress to the way we were when it was common for children to die as infants of one of various maladies or to be disabled by polio.

I do agree that there are many diseases that do run their course then fade away without the help of a vaccine - but they can and often do return. I for one, hope that enough children in this country will continue to be vaxed that when something like polio tries to return, it won't do much damage because there won't be footing for an epidemic. I am afraid for the children who aren't vaxed, though (including the children of many close friends). There was a case not terribly long ago in California where an elementary school child died when exposed to diptheria at school. None of the other children in his class were affected and he was the only one that wasn't vaxed. On the same thought about disease fading on it's own, what about things like tetanus? That will never go away. It's not an epidemic or a rampant problem. There is a very real although slight chance of any child contracting tetanus. Tetanus is NASTY. It maims and kills painfully. Why take a chance that your child, in rough child play, will never horse around at the beach or park or even the back yard and get stuck or cut by the wrong thing?

I also have to say that I wasn't raised around vaccines after my mother (reluctantly) had my brother immunized and, well, I already told the story. I used to get SO sick every single winter with the flu growing up. I ended up with bronchitus and 104+ fever every time. Sometimes I ended up at the hospital. It was truly terrible for me. Anyway, I grew up, joined the Navy (don't ask me why. LOL!) for a 5 year stint and was forced to get all vaccines (which by the way - I don't see that pharma companies are making a ton of cash off the HUGE amounts of vax given to soldiers and sailors for various reasons). Along with the forced vaccines was the yearly flu shot. I always huffed and puffed about being made to get it - BUT, I never got the flu the entire 5 years that I was in the military. Not one time. All those years of suffering for a whole month out of the year and one shot (ineffective?) totally changed that. The first year I was out, I rebelled against the shot and refused it. Did I get sick? Yes. Do I get the shot now? Yes. Do I give it to my children? Absolutely.
post #72 of 91
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Along with the forced vaccines was the yearly flu shot. I always huffed and puffed about being made to get it - BUT, I never got the flu the entire 5 years that I was in the military. Not one time. All those years of suffering for a whole month out of the year and one shot (ineffective?) totally changed that.
Well, everyone is different. My dh had never gotten the flu in his life and was a healthy guy in every way - he ran 10 miles a day, took his vitamins, didn't eat sugar or other refined foods, very careful about hygiene, etc.....had total health "nuts" for parents. Then he joined the USAF and had to have his yearly flu shot. After each one he was *extremely* sick for one week. (I was with him during one of those times and the poor guy was in bed all day everyday - I couldn't believe how bad he got it.) Had never gotten a flu shot before going into the military and for the 11 yrs he's been out he hasn't gotten one and funny enough he hasn't been sick with anything either. Go figure...
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post #75 of 91
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Originally Posted by 4xmommy
Well, everyone is different. My dh had never gotten the flu in his life and was a healthy guy in every way - he ran 10 miles a day, took his vitamins, didn't eat sugar or other refined foods, very careful about hygiene, etc.....had total health "nuts" for parents. Then he joined the USAF and had to have his yearly flu shot. After each one he was *extremely* sick for one week. (I was with him during one of those times and the poor guy was in bed all day everyday - I couldn't believe how bad he got it.) Had never gotten a flu shot before going into the military and for the 11 yrs he's been out he hasn't gotten one and funny enough he hasn't been sick with anything either. Go figure...
Same here, my husband only gets sick after that darn flu shot, as do quite a few of the guys he works with too. Seems like a really stupid thing to do to me.
post #76 of 91
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Originally Posted by Zipporah
Same here, my husband only gets sick after that darn flu shot, as do quite a few of the guys he works with too. Seems like a really stupid thing to do to me.

I did have a few days sometimes after the shot of feeling "icky". It was nothing compared to feeling like I had been run over by a fright train for weeks. I'm talking vomiting and diarrhea that passed severe, very high fever and trouble breathing when the bronchitis set in. The vaccine doesn't seem too stupid when you've experienced that all your life!
post #77 of 91
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On the same thought about disease fading on it's own, what about things like tetanus? That will never go away. It's not an epidemic or a rampant problem. There is a very real although slight chance of any child contracting tetanus. Tetanus is NASTY. It maims and kills painfully.
Tetanus is extremely rare and if you want to talk about hype LOL that disease is hyped to the hilt. I think it's quite interesting to hear the pro vaccine people say that the bad effects of a vaccine are pure hype yet these same people refuse to consider any of the mere points I brought up which are very thoughtful, logical, and make sense and SHOULD cause one to atleast question..they have no answers not suprisingly. They won't even consider that the disease itself just "may" be hyped and that they just may not be able to trust a conflict of interest.

My father's arm became paralyzed within 24 hours of a tetanus shot he got when he slipped off a roof and fell, getting cuts, that bled..hmmmm..no tetanus in there. It took him nearly a year of therapy to get the feeling back and have his arm working correctly. He had absolutely no issues nerve wise until that shot. This is a VERY common side effect of tetanus and it's very well known, but you will hear NO doctor talk about it or admit it even though it IS in the literature that conveniently isn't given to the patient. Even pro vaccine people SHOULD believe that everything should be told up front..all side effects etc, yet doctors utterly refuse to do this. My father was not told about the side effects of the tetanus shot.

I really wish you'd consider the other side before saying things that are really hyped up and are not proven. I do not think the tetanus shot is safe given what I've seen damage wise it has done to people. It is sad to me how people will stand by with the "greater good" saying when they have never been in the shoes of someone who has had to stand over a child that reacted severely after a vaccine. This is how we got into trouble in the USA when it comes to vaccine usage and to me, in order to look at things objectively, we need to take the blinders off and answer the "what if" questions. Only then will we find the answers to the things that are happening.

It also is puzzling to me that there are other things to take that have been used homeopathically for a hundred or so years with great success (especially the flu), yet vaccinations are a new phenomenon and they 1) don't test them very well and 2) don't fully understand what effects they are having on people.

It is amusing to me how the following ingredients are treated among adults but to kids, it's ok to inject it "for the greater good" which is a completely ridiculous argument:

1) aluminum - many warnings are starting to go out about alzheimers and possibly some other diseases among ADULTS. People are told to avoid aluminum usage

2) Anti Freeze - ethyl glycol - warnings have been going out since the 80's about anti freeze dripping down from the cars and the cats and dogs lapping it up and them dying. Some partners poison people using this substance in one's drink and the result is usually death.

3) Mercury - In California I can't go to too many places without seeing warnings in the fish area in supermarkets now about mercury being in fish. In one store they were warning how much mercury is allowed by the fda (like I trust their limit..ha!) In Los Angelos, a thermometer broke and they were shooting a film and poor babies had to stop filming until a hazmat team came in to clean it up. Dentists have strict instructions from amalgam fillings (mercury) to NOT handle this "hazardous" material and they are dispose of it as "hazardous" waste..yet they say it's safe for the mouth?

4) Formaldahyde - so much is on the net on how poisonous this is. Some countries do not feel ANY amount of formaldahyde is safe for an adult, let alone a child.

Looking at those ingredients, it is no wonder my daughter nearly died from her injections. I'm glad I stopped to THINK about things before continuing. If one doesn't demand safer methods to treat disease, it is NOT ok to use less safe methods just for the "greater good".

No one can deny that these are poisons....if they are NOT ok for adults and animals..they are NOT ok for growing children. If someone wishes to be so blind that is ok, but don't tell me that crap doesn't stink when my nose smells it.
post #78 of 91
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Originally Posted by craftykitty
I did have a few days sometimes after the shot of feeling "icky". It was nothing compared to feeling like I had been run over by a fright train for weeks. I'm talking vomiting and diarrhea that passed severe, very high fever and trouble breathing when the bronchitis set in. The vaccine doesn't seem too stupid when you've experienced that all your life!
Um, you realize that the flu is not a stomach virus right? Actual influenza rarely has a major diarrhea or vomiting component....

-Angela
post #79 of 91
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Um, you realize that the flu is not a stomach virus right? Actual influenza rarely has a major diarrhea or vomiting component....


I'm not half as smart as many of the woman on here, but even I know that one. You can find information about flu symptoms everywhere, and it always says that vomiting is very, very rare and not usually a part of influenze.
post #80 of 91
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Originally Posted by craftykitty
I did have a few days sometimes after the shot of feeling "icky". It was nothing compared to feeling like I had been run over by a fright train for weeks. I'm talking vomiting and diarrhea that passed severe, very high fever and trouble breathing when the bronchitis set in. The vaccine doesn't seem too stupid when you've experienced that all your life!
Actually, i meant it seems like a stupid thing for the military to do, to make the flu vaccine compulsory when it results in people getting sick who otherwise wouldn't.
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