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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Several people have mentioned people talking about calling 911 during their homebirth. I've had 911 called to 'help me' when I didn't need help and it was not a good experience. I'd imagine in laborit would be all kinds of problematic.

We have close neighbors and who knows what can happen.

Has anyone had issues with this kind of thing? Paramedics coming to your door to save you from your birth? What can one do? Is one compelled at that point to do what they say?

I'm awfully scared of something like this happening.
post #2 of 21
Years ago a friend was delivered at home by a paramedic. She was having a precipitious unplanned homebirth. He looked at her vulva and said she was a long way from delivery because she was not dialated at all.

It turns out his knowledge of women's anatomy was nil. He thought the vulva was the cervix and of course it was not "dialated".


The mother's cervix was completely dialated and minutes from delivery.

Men think they know every thing about a woman. Sometimes EMT training is lacking.
post #3 of 21
I would imagine you can refuse their assistance. This may be harder to do in homebirth un-friendly states, but surely it could be done.

I don't know. I'm interested in hearing stories from people w/ firsthand experience with this.
post #4 of 21
I have read about people putting signs on their front door that says soemthing to the effect of "Homebirth in progress, Safe and Legal, please do not disturb." You could even put "attended by a skilled midwife" if you wanted.
Trisha
post #5 of 21
In Virginia, you could refuse, if they came, but you had to sign a paper saying you had refused....but yes, it can be problematic, since most of the time they have only seen one or two hospital births as part of thier training....I would *not* put a sign outside saying there is a homebirth in progress, that is an invitation in some places for CPS intervention! No joke!
post #6 of 21
I know someone that it happened to (a neighbor called) and they just didn't answer the door. When they heard the sirens (police came first) they closed the curtains, locked the doors, quieted their voices, and ignored them until they went away. Not sure if different states have laws that would allow them to break down the door or anything? But for that mom, it worked.
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
Well, I'm not in an unfriendly state (thank heavens for that!) but am not in a state where there is licensing etc. by the state (also a good thing).
post #8 of 21
you can refuse to be transfered/transported and as long as you are conscious . In addition you don't even have to let them in the door to begin with-- in many places I live the police show up just before or at the same time as an ambulance, but not always, so you might have to send them away as well. I know that some midwives have called them to have them on the way just incase- because of one thing or another and have canceled or sent them away without problems-- it would be hard and distracting if you were trying to UC and this happened- who ever your support person is would have to be down with you not accepting help, and if you were by yourself you would have to have it together enough to appear rational and able to make decisions--
I know of one couple who fired their mws in labor and mw could not just leave/abandon them so they all agreed she could call an ambulance so the ambulance came and she had satisfied her license/abandonment legal issues and then the couple refused to be transfered/transported, the ambulance sat in the driveway for a while and then left.
over all I wouldn't worry -- maybe even tell who you are expecting to try this that you will and can just send them away- and if it happens you are sending them the bill.....
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by applejuice
Men think they know every thing about a woman. Sometimes EMT training is lacking.
You need this EMT then. I delivered my neighbor's baby in the front seat of a station wagon back when I was only 17 yrs old because the men on the crew didn't want to do it!

Actually, many of our EMTs are moms and would be very helpful in an emergency childbirth situation. Of course, if 911 was called in error or by someone allegedly "well meaning," you can certainly refuse any treatment or transport. In our area, the police do get to the location first, and you would just tell them that the call is unfounded, everything is fine, and they would cancel EMS before the squad even arrived.

I would caution you to answer the door if this happens though. In our system, all 911 calls are investigated. If no one answers the phone on call-back, then the police are dispatched, and they will break down the door if necessary if it appears people are home and are intentionally ignoring the knocks of the police.
post #10 of 21
Personally, I would refuse treatment. (I have people present who can open the door and state that everything is ok.) I was a little worried about that last time but nothing happened.

Many EMTs (especially in this area) do not want to deliver babies and there are some instances where if they are present, they will pretty much hold the baby inside the mom until they can get to the hospital. (I live in the same general area as the OP)

I really do not think it is a big issue here as many people have homebirths.
post #11 of 21
Hmm, that actually one of my biggest fears, that someone will call 911 while I am in labor. Almost happened with my last one *shudder* that was a close call. I think I would try and send them away as much as I could depending on the stage of the labor. Last time, the head was crowning (I was solo-UCing) when *MY MOTHER* walked in and panicked. I remember SCREAMING towards her "DO NOT CALL 911!!!!!"... She didn't. She brought the phone to me. A little busy here, mom. LOL They can't drag you against your will, just sign AMA (against Medical Advice) and you are done (and tell neighboors to mind their business)
post #12 of 21
INstead of homebirth in progress, y ou could just put laboring mom, please do not disturb.
Trisha
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by MamaChel
Many EMTs (especially in this area) do not want to deliver babies and there are some instances where if they are present, they will pretty much hold the baby inside the mom until they can get to the hospital.
That causes brain damage in an apgar 10 baby ready to breathe...I know that in the 1940s and 1950s this was routine in hospitals; nurses would hold the baby back; I had a few minimally brain damaged classmates who were born this way when I was in school.

I am shocked that this is still SOP. They know better.
post #14 of 21
I just took an adult CPR class and in the booklet they gave us the section on helping pregnant women specifically says not to try to keep the baby inside. (It also has some crap about "not letting her go to the bathroom" which confuses me, unless that's because pushing can feel like pooping?)
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by applejuice
That causes brain damage in an apgar 10 baby ready to breathe...I know that in the 1940s and 1950s this was routine in hospitals; nurses would hold the baby back; I had a few minimally brain damaged classmates who were born this way when I was in school.

I am shocked that this is still SOP. They know better.
They did this to my mom when I was being born in '76. My edd was Christmas day and the doc was worried I'd come on time and he'd miss Christmas w/ family, so he stripped my mom's membranes on my b-day, 12/21, then sent her home. A snowstorn started and while they got the hospital on time, I came so fast w/ the snow the doc wasn't there yet. My mom said a nurse crossed her legs and sat on them while another strapped her arms down to keep her from pushing/punching the nurse on her legs. I'm lucky I'm not brain-damaged. Might explain my SID and fear of enclosed spaced, though.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by MamaChel
Many EMTs (especially in this area) do not want to deliver babies and there are some instances where if they are present, they will pretty much hold the baby inside the mom until they can get to the hospital. (I live in the same general area as the OP)
I don't know what state you are in, but the national EMS protocols are very specific about how to handle deliveries, and a delivery was part of my practical exam (and I took that over 15 yrs ago). If anything, there are more rules now, not just for handling routine deliveries, but also what to do in case of breech, prolapsed cord, etc.

Any EMT or paramedic that holds the baby inside should be reported and stripped of his/her certification. I can't believe anyone would even think of doing that in this day and age with all the training opportunities available.
post #17 of 21
This is a common fear that I try to help women to let go of because, in most circumstances, even if a nosy neighbor or scared family member called 911, it is easily remedied. (Another midwife and I did a series of in-services for EMS personnel around our county and were able to explore this issue from many different sides - it helped not only when we *did* transport, but also when we called and a transport never materialized.)

'Round these parts, fire dept. EMS appears first. Second comes any ambulance called and third is law enforcement, but only if there seems to be danger or some sort of physical threat to the other EMS personnel.

While it seems that a note on the front might help or sending someone to the door to say "all is well," their rules and protocols require them to see and speak with the laboring mother herself - even if she didn't call. They will offer/insist on doing vitals; they are easily refused. ("No.") They will ask if you/she wants to go to the hospital; also easily refused. ("No.") They will ask the laboring or postpartum mom to sign AMA; refuse-able, but also not the worst idea to sign it unless of a religious, spiritual, ethical, or flash-of-a-reason not to. They do not *have* to have anyone's signature to leave your home. Calm requests will be met MUCH less angrily (and with MUCH less risk of bringing in law enforcement) than hysterical or screaming pleas for privacy. ("Thanks for coming out, but we are doing great. We won't be needing your services anymore." <shuffle, shuffle on their part "Do you want to go, ma'am?" "No!"> and that would typically be the end of it.)

We learned that EMS is always braced for violence - domestic or drug - and especially if there is blood present, they are *really* going to want to/need to assess (hence having to see mom for themselves). They travel in packs for safety reasons (including that of the "victim") and it is why they could never just leave when grandpa meets them at the door and says through chain-locked door, "oh, sorry... everything's okay now." Looking at it from their viewpoint, it is understandable why they would need to talk to the mom themselves.

Avoiding this whole scenario is the best idea of all, however. Even with neighbors you don't get along with, perhaps sending over a baked pie with a gentle note about laboring at home (you might even consider *not* telling them about the birth-at-home part) - or having all family members who *might* be present really, really understand that noise, blood, vomiting, etc. are perfectly normal and if they aren't prepared to be 100% happy with it all, they perhaps should not be invited (don't need to tell them that - but, oops! labor happened so fast, we just didn't have time to call everyone!).

I think the best advice we learned from the EMS people was that the calmest person in the room was the one most trusted. It might not seem fair or right, but was the overwhelming attitude with over 500 EMS we taught about homebirth and homebirth transports. So, even if you are wiggy mad your neighbor called or your meddlesome sister-in-law freaked out, find that place of peace just long enough to tend to getting your birth space back to yourselves and deal with all that later.

I hope this helps a little.

Barb Herrera
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan
I just took an adult CPR class and in the booklet they gave us the section on helping pregnant women specifically says not to try to keep the baby inside. (It also has some crap about "not letting her go to the bathroom" which confuses me, unless that's because pushing can feel like pooping?)
I'm a lapsed EMT.

They tell us not to allow the woman to use the toilet simply because pushing often DOES feel like a BM and they're afraid unknowing people will allow a baby born into the toilet.

We've never been told to hold a baby in. I mean, instructions in the case of a cord prolapse may sound similar-ish.

And EMTs around here RACE to a birth scene. They all want the stork pin. I had a couple try to convince me with DS that I needed to wait to go anywhere so they could get their pins. I actually tried to stay home, but with prolonged ROM I didn't feel safe after 24 hours unattended. I also told them that if THEY got stork pins, I did too darnit! I was an EMT at the birth as well!
post #19 of 21
All of the people present at my 1st hb would have known not to call 911 unless I or the midwife informed them it was necessary. I think I even probably made a crack about hurting anyone who would consider it.

Homebirth is not very common in my county (my midwife and her associates only occasionally have a client here) so I imagine it could be tricky to send the EMTs away but we would find a way to do so without a problem. No one can or will force me to accept medical care and I've had enough medicalized birth.
post #20 of 21
We told our neighbours that we were planning a homebirth before I was in labour and not to worry should they hear me. They were all very understanding. I however ended up needing emergency transport after the birth and they were all curious then (much to my dismay). I really wanted to "prove" how wonderful homebirth was and had these dreams about being out on my deck with my new daughter within hours after the birth. As it happened I was allowed out of bed for the first week and didn't have the energy to get outside for the first couple weeks! I got friendly (AKA nosey) neighbour visits though.

I would say that if someone called the EMTs and you didn't want to transfer then just say "NO". My midwives fought hard with the EMTs when they arrived at our place to get me transfer to a top notch hospital in the city (as opposed to the country hospital)...I am just outside our midwives general area of practice so instead of the hospital they would normally transfer to the EMTs wanted to transfer to their hospital. I think the fact that I told them that I absolutely WOULD NOT go to their hospital helped.

Katrina
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