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UPDATE #25: Really upset about YMCA dance class  

post #1 of 33
Thread Starter 
I posted a few weeks ago about my 4yo having a mild obession with Angelina Ballerina, and wanting to take dance. It was recommended that I sign her up for the Y class vs. the classical Indian dance that was kinda out of my budget anyway.

The class is for 3-5 year olds, with some of them still in diapers and barely 3 and others are nearly 6. We were told there would be a recital and we had to buy a certain color shirt and shorts, which I spent $ on already b/c we were told that at the beginning of the class.

The parents were not allowed to be in the class with the kids. The kids all seemed fine w/o parents. There is a large window and most of the time I sat outside the class and watched her. I did not watch her all the time b/c I had my 1yo to mind, and I would chat with the other parents. It seemed to me though, that all but the very young ones tried and participated. My dd is not a future prima ballerina but she stood in line and seemed to pay attention and was trying her best. There were some other girls that got in her personal space but she seemed to handle it okay by moving away from them or spreading her arms out and making them move.

Today, 9 days before this dance recital that I my dd is very excited about, the teacher said there had been a problem with the class, and becuase of discpline problems and them not paying attention they were only picking 3 students to do be in the recital! The teacher also said she could tell they were not practicing at home. Well how in the world are we supposed to help them practice if we are not allowed to be in the class?? Do they really expect 3-5 year olds to have the discipline to practice at home on their own? They don't even have the music to take home or anything.

When they called the 3 girls forward who were selected, dd was not one of them. She was so heartbroken. She cried on the way home and has had a rough afternoon. She said she tried her best and she did what the teacher said. I asked if she ever played around too much or didn't listen, and she said that so and so (2 girls) were bothering her and getting in her personal space. Abi is also a bit shy and doesn't make eye contact or talk to people for awhile, but she never had problems in her karate class, Spanish class, or other classes she has taken. Abi is very obedient and respectful with other adults.

I think this is SO unfair and unprofessional. They should have either cancelled it for everyone or just gone ahead with the show. I mean it would have been cute to have some of them mixed up. Come on, they are 3-5 year olds. I am going to talk to the teacher if I can, one on one with Abi there to tell her side of things. If she indeed wasn't paying attention it will be good for her to get that feedback.

Anyway, I'm just mostly venting, but I want to get your input if you have experience in this area.

(I was thinking on the way home. . . this is exactly why we are homeschooling right now, so I don't have to deal with this on a regular basis)
post #2 of 33
Poor Abi! That's awful. complain to everybody- that's outragous.

-Angela
post #3 of 33
I would talk to the Y. The instructor seems like the prima donna.
post #4 of 33
Wow, who the *bleep* does that teacher think she is?? You would think she was freaking Debbie Allen from Fame or something, banging her stick to the music and telling the students they were going to pay for it in sweat (if any of you are children of the early 80's you will get that reference lol)....

That is so upsetting for your daughter and I am so sorry for her!! I would have been crushed as a child if that happened to me and even now as an almost 30 year old, that would be upsetting.

I would certainly complain. You are right...man, 3-5 year old dance recitals aren't ANYTHING unless some of the kids are all spun around, freeze on stage, start calling to mama in the audience, have giggle fits, or accidentally run into one another, all falling down.... That is what makes them real, and cute, and sentimental, and a memory to laugh at and cherish as they grow older.

This teacher has some issues in my opinion. This isn't a rigorous russian dance academy...this is the Y for pete's sake.

You are right to be upset!

Maybe you could have a little get together at your house or somewhere with some of the other girls and put on your own darn recital there or something! (I dunno how many are in the class though)....
post #5 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marsupialmom
I would talk to the Y. The instructor seems like the prima donna.
no kidding.That sucks

I would try to find a parent participation class and get your money back.Seems like she broke an agreement.
post #6 of 33
Wow. I would be livid. That's completely unfair, out of line, and downright cruel.

Definitely bring it up with the teacher. Regardless of whether or not the children were paying attention (and, like you said, they're 3-5 years old!), their "solution" is outrageous and should be rescinded.
post #7 of 33


My daughter is in her fifth year of dance and I've never seen anything remotely like that at her studio, especially not in the 3-5 year old range! That teacher is out of control. I also find it hard to believe that a Y class could make you pay for recital costumes and then reneg on the recital. That's crazy. I'd definitely complain all the way up the ladder until I found someone to talk to the teacher and give me my money back.
post #8 of 33
That is wrong. Go over the teacher's head - she shouldn't be the first structured experience kids have with the arts.

BJ
Barney & Ben
post #9 of 33
Like those kids are going to practice at home without the the parents being able to help

Your poor dd
post #10 of 33
That is just plain wrong on so many levels. Please do go over the instructors head and either get a refund or have all children participate in the recital.
post #11 of 33
That is aweful! I would definately be complaining as well. I have been involved in dance for several years, and now my daughter is as well, and I have never heard of anything like that happening. I would be livid. I just can't even imagine what this did to your poor dd's self esteem. Dance for 3-5 yr olds is not about perfection, it is entirely about having fun.
post #12 of 33
I just feel so bad for your dd. Definitely pursue this!
post #13 of 33
i agree. that's screwed up. did you hit it off with any of the other moms? you might approach them and present your arguments with a united front to both the teacher and the higher ups. my dd1 is in dance and that sounds nothing like her class. that situation is wretched.
post #14 of 33
Thread Starter 
Thanks mamas, I'm glad it's not just me, and this is NOT okay. I asked the teacher, in front of the other parents, how we were supposed to help them when we were not allowed to be in the class to know what they were working on. I asked more politely than that but that was the gist of it. She kinda blew me off and just said they had never had a class like that before, and that next time they will just have 3's together in one class and 4-5's together in another class. Fine, but is that the fault of the kids and the parents?

I think I'm going to the higher ups with my concerns and will just skip her or else ask if I can speak to her and the supervisor at the same time. My dd is crushed. This was not supposed to happen to her. She's shy, overcoming sensory issues, and it took courage for her to be in the class in the first place. In the first couple of classes she was so stiff and just stood there, and now she's actually dancing. She has made great progress. None of the parents were ever told until today that there were any discipline problems so we could address them.

And in the back of my head I'm thinking, if there are 10-12 students in the class and only 3 of them are good enough for the recital, maybe the teachers are doing something wrong in the class. Surely the kids can't be all that bad. And even if they were, so what? Have the recital. It would still be cute to see them all dressed up and doing their own thing.
post #15 of 33
Oh my gosh.

to you and Abi.
post #16 of 33
That is utterly unconscionable!!!

I teach dance, including that age group. I would NEVER consider doing such a thing! What a way to completely discourage kids from dance!

I'd find out who made that decision (if you don't already know), and talk to her superior. This is just completely unacceptable.

I've taught classes with a range of ages, skill levels, and ability to focus. In the performance, I include everyone. Often the older, more skilled dancers will do a few extra steps or a harder version of the steps the other dancers do. But to not include the other dancers?! That's unthinkable.

I'm so sorry that your daughter's introduction to dance has been negative. The love of dance is something I try to pass on to my students. I hope you find a better teacher, and that your dd has a more positive experience next time.
post #17 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by kewb
That is just plain wrong on so many levels. Please do go over the instructors head and either get a refund or have all children participate in the recital.
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I would be absolutely outraged. I vote for stopping her so this never happens to another child. I danced for many years. This is so wrong, I don't even know where to start.
post #18 of 33
s ...That's absolutely the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Poor Abi! I just can't imagine. My DD would be crushed if that happened to her *now*, and she's 9! I don't even want to think of how hurt she would have been at 5! DD danced for a few years, then did cheer for a few years, and has *never* had anything like that happen--I've never heard of a dance teacher punishing kids that way, let alone kids that young!

I agree, it's time to go over her head. You don't punish 3-5 year olds by taking away something as important as a recital...anyone with any sense at all would realize how mean that is.
post #19 of 33
Definitely not right. I have had a couple of issues with my local Y and have always had really really good success with complaining, politely, to the program area director or executive director. They definitely need to know about this and I suspect they will take steps to make sure it won't happen again. Unfortunately, it probably won't repair the damage for your daughter, but at least it will make sure it doesn't happen to anyone else. We had an issue with a soccer instructor and they really bent over backwards for us. Our Y doesn't even do a recital until the kids are something like 10!
post #20 of 33
Wow, that "teacher" sounds like she shouldn't be working with kids, especially young ones. She obviously has no concept of how many hurt feelings that stupid decision would create. :

I'm so sorry for Abi, and I hope that everything gets worked out (that all the kids get to perform in the recital). Let us know what happens!
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