NT December Thread - Page 4

[gardenmommy]

Gale Force, I am so ready to start the Maker's Diet right now, but it is impossible to do anything right now! Everytime I turn around someone else is giving us cookies, candy, cake, caramel popcorn, fudge, etc. Plus, we have so many parties or events (all eat-at things, of course), that it's reallyl frustrating.

I can see the negative effects on my poor children, too. My son has circles under his eyes, and ds and dd both have recently complained of their stomach hurting. I just keep reminding them that that's what junk food does to our bodies. My phrase is "God-made food for God-made bodies". They will readily tell dh and I what causes them to feel so badly. I am glad they have made the connection so early in their lives!

I am working really hard on not feeling badly when I throw stuff away. It is deeply ingrained in me not to throw food away; I am trying to reframe my definition of "food", to not include items made with white flour, sugar, dyes, etc. In fact, I'm going to throw away a box of candy canes, just to keep my children from eating any more (we had them to illustrate the story of the candy cane for church this week)

Holiztic: I get the riot act about using "too much" butter every time I see my in-laws. My MIL is horrified that I actually use *GASP* coconut oil in my baking and cooking.

Hibou: I, too, feel better when I can get outside for exercise. I try to get out everyday, if only for 30 min. It helps that I have a dog and 3 horses to care for!

[Gale Force]

gardenmommy -- I suppose people have discovered how wierd I am because the number of Christmas goodies have declined over the years. My aunt and uncle will arrive next week, likely with some homemade cookies. I'll have to get through that. Than we go to the ILs who also think we are freaks for the number of eggs we eat. They visited us here last year and I fed them NT food. I don't think they noticed. I made no issue of it.

I enjoyed reading the Maker's Diet. He doesn't provide a link to all the supplements he recommends, but the diet discussion itself is interesting.

[cobluegirl]

I pre ordered Jordan Rueban's new book..I can't wait to get it. I enjoyed the maker's diet too and it got dh thinking about thinks. as a christian i didn't follow some of his biblical basis for his diet but agreed mostly anyhow. (kind of like ezekial bread..the verse has nothing ot do with bread or is at least taken out of context) I haven't done the 40 day diet but would like too. My hardest part was the availability to find foods. My kids are also off dairy right now for allergy/health issues. That has been really hard.

[Hibou]

Originally Posted by gardenmommy

I am working really hard on not feeling badly when I throw stuff away. It is deeply ingrained in me not to throw food away; I am trying to reframe my definition of "food", to not include items made with white flour, sugar, dyes, etc.

Last year after we had been NT for awhile, I went through the cupboards and pitched tons of stuff. I warned DH that I was going to do this and told him that if he wanted to save anything, he had to take it out of the house, to work or something. It took a lot of effort to just throw away the garbage food and not feel guilty or like I was being wasteful. I felt like, we've spent money on this food, shouldn't we use it up somehow?



Question for those of you who eat cheese: what kind of raw cheeses do you eat? Just curious. We eat cheddar, swiss, gjetost (norwegian whey cheese...mmmm), some sort of italian cheese like mozzarella that I can't remember the name of right now. I really like feta but I don't know where to find raw feta. Anyways, looking to branch out and try new things. I stock up when we go to the city.

[missi66]

nourishingmeadows.com has raw grassfed feta. Their cheese is very yummy. Shipping is 11 dollars no matter how much you order if you order it through mercola.com. Ordered through the site it was only a little higher. If you order 100 dollars worth you get a free lb. I order about 3 months worth of cheese at a time. I get the value packs because that is a little cheaper too. The stores in my area have no grass fed raw cheese and very little organic so ordering was our only option. I get the cheddar ,mozzarella, and pepper jack usually. We really love it.

[JaneS]

I give a "thumbs down" to the Maker's Diet.

I really didn't learn much from it at all. His beginning diet is like the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, then eating like NT.

Most of his recipes are reprinted from NT and that irked me.

I think the only thing that is different about his approach is that he hawks his overpriced supplements as the main reason why he healed (he said just eating SCD and NT didn't work).

And then he doesn't go into the science behind his supplements: HSO's which I dearly would like to know more details about and digestive enzymes and whatever other products he hinted at throughout the book.

Felt like one big commercial to me.

[JaneS]

Cheese

We get cheddar both sharp and mild, Italian Grace (like parmesan) and chive from our local farm co-op

And Wilderness Family Naturals centrifuged coconut oil that I just tried and I think it's BETTER than Tropical Traditions, for $15/qt Just had to brag

I also like Organic Valley's raw cheese but know I read that it's not really raw:
http://organicvalley.coop/utility/fa...heese_faq.html

I also don't know if they are pasture fed... at one point I thought I read that their milk was

[Gale Force]

Originally Posted by JaneS

I think the only thing that is different about his approach is that he hawks his overpriced supplements as the main reason why he healed (he said just eating SCD and NT didn't work).

And then he doesn't go into the science behind his supplements: HSO's which I dearly would like to know more details about and digestive enzymes and whatever other products he hinted at throughout the book.

I agree with you Jane. I still enjoyed reading the book. The chapter on digestion was interesting.

I don't remember him saying that a traditional diet didn't work, just that the HSOs took him to a whole new level. And that's just it -- how are they and the other supplements part of "The Maker's Diet"? He didn't make that argument well. We are all needing to be healed from what we have done to ourselves, so there is an argument to be made, but I don't remember him making a compelling one.

[lao80]

I listened to a seminar about The Makers Diet and I thought he was so full of it. You pay for his book and then you have to pay again to join his club thing to find out stuff. All he does is try to sell you stuff.

[MomInFlux]

DH and I are about to embark on our NT adventure, so I'm :

The hardest thing for me (right now) is the availability of good food. I'm a good 45 minute drive from nearest health food store with raw milk or hormone-free meat, so I've almost resigned myself to permanently ordering frozen organic grass-fed beef from Lasater Ranch and frozen raw milk products from Organic Pastures. Shipping on raw milk makes it almost $16 a gallon. Gulp.

I'm trying to figure out kefir (if you see my kefir 911 post, please help), and I noticed that a couple of you mention kefir and apple juice and ginger kefir. Can you tell me more about these?

If you could recommend a book or two to accompany NT, what would they be?

[TopazBlueMama]

I have to agree about those parts in the Maker's Diet. But I still think it's a good book, even just to read about his amazing story. Anyone who has been real sick before can relate and be inspired by his healing.
And, hey, who knows if he really truly believes in his supplements and just wants to get that info out there for everyone.
I also like books with meal plans written out for ideas.

[Gale Force]

Originally Posted by MomInFlux

The hardest thing for me (right now) is the availability of good food. I'm a good 45 minute drive from nearest health food store with raw milk or hormone-free meat, so I've almost resigned myself to permanently ordering frozen organic grass-fed beef from Lasater Ranch and frozen raw milk products from Organic Pastures. Shipping on raw milk makes it almost $16 a gallon. Gulp.

We are near Organic Pastures and it retails here for $7/half gallon. At Whole Foods in Fresno, the home town of Organic Pastures, it's $8/ half gallon. So while $16/gallon is obscene, that's what a lot of people are paying for it fresh here. Those lots of people don't often include me. i considered ordering from lasater Ranch (and a few others) but we were able to buy a grassfed steer locally and are now up to our eyeballs in beef.

I'll look for the kefir post

[Hibou]

Originally Posted by MomInFlux

I'm trying to figure out kefir (if you see my kefir 911 post, please help), and I noticed that a couple of you mention kefir and apple juice and ginger kefir. Can you tell me more about these?

If you could recommend a book or two to accompany NT, what would they be?

I highly recommend Wild Fermentation if you plan to do much of the cultured/fermented stuff. He does a great job explaining kefir too, and the wonderful things you can do with it. Is that the second time I've recommended this book on this thread? Also, you could check out Dom's

Basically, you can "kefir" any liquid food/beverage by putting in the grains and leaving it sit for a day or 3. To do apple juice (my kids love it) I fill a 250 ml jar with apple juice, add a small kefir grain, and let it sit for about 24 hrs. on the counter, covered with a cloth. I only do 250 mls at a time because the kids don't like it too strong, so I make fresh stuff every day or 2. After the first day, it's effervescent and sweet, but after 2 or 3 days it starts to get stronger, more like wine. After the kids finish it, I add more juice, leaving the grains at the bottom of the jar. I wash the jar ever couple weeks or so. Hope that made sense!

[toraji]

Originally Posted by MomInFlux

If you could recommend a book or two to accompany NT, what would they be?

The Garden of Eating Diet, http://www.thegardenofeatingdiet.com

and of course, the original classic Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Dr. Price.

You can read lots of stuff for free over at the SoilandHealth online library:
http://www.soilandhealth.org -- check in their nutrition/health library.

[Holiztic]

I am just getting into Wild Fermentation right now and am SO ready to finally get started fermenting in the new year. I bought my mom a 7.5 liter crock for Xmas and know I'll be going over to use it/share in her fermentations. But I am going to really want one for my home. Man they are expensive!!!! Anyone have luck with just using glass jars? Is the crock worth the money if one can afford it (we can, we just don't like spending money!)? To those who use jars, would you buy a crock or two if you had the extra money or do you use jars because you prefer them?

Thanks for any input!

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by tweetybirds2

I have to agree about those parts in the Maker's Diet. But I still think it's a good book, even just to read about his amazing story. Anyone who has been real sick before can relate and be inspired by his healing.
And, hey, who knows if he really truly believes in his supplements and just wants to get that info out there for everyone.

That's true, his story is pretty amazing, I do give him a lot of credit for healing himself. But he should have presented the science IMO. I have no problem from him earning a living, I think he should just work harder at it, advancing the body of knowledge for everyone.

He wrote an article for WAPF too:
http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndi...ivehealth.html
Last I looked I couldn't find Linda Kim's study on HSO's.

For anyone interested in a great description of the digestive system and leaky gut get one of Karen DeFelice's books (they are both essentially the same)
www.enzymestuff.com

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by Hibou

Basically, you can "kefir" any liquid food/beverage by putting in the grains and leaving it sit for a day or 3. To do apple juice (my kids love it) I fill a 250 ml jar with apple juice, add a small kefir grain, and let it sit for about 24 hrs. on the counter, covered with a cloth. I only do 250 mls at a time because the kids don't like it too strong, so I make fresh stuff every day or 2. After the first day, it's effervescent and sweet, but after 2 or 3 days it starts to get stronger, more like wine. After the kids finish it, I add more juice, leaving the grains at the bottom of the jar. I wash the jar ever couple weeks or so. Hope that made sense!

Oooooh, that's an awesome idea, thank you! I need to dig out the grains that have been sitting at the back of my fridge.

I cannot stomach milk kefir right now, don't know why, I'm just on a yogurt kick lately. Used to be totally the opposite, which is funny.

[TopazBlueMama]

I'd be very interested to see that study on HSO's as well. Not that it would matter for me anyway...I'm no good at supplements. I'll stick to the fermented foods and drinks for now.

[cobluegirl]

Originally Posted by JaneS

That's true, his story is pretty amazing, I do give him a lot of credit for healing himself. But he should have presented the science IMO. I have no problem from him earning a living, I think he should just work harder at it, advancing the body of knowledge for everyone.

yeah I agree..I got an email from them (I am on their email list) and they were promoting their new Flu/winter product...I would have thought it was an allopathic advertisement..it was all scaretactics..I emailed them back and told them how discusted I was.

[Brisen]

Just popping in... haven't been keeping up with this thread. I feel guilty with all of the holiday indulging I am planning... lol, I'll be back, meek and penitent, in January.

In the meantime, I'm looking for something quick and online about milk homogenization being bad. It is for FIL, dh was talking with him about raw milk, and fil said he always thought it did somwthing bad to the milk, but didn't know what. He grew up on a farm, drinking tons of raw dairy, and he said they were always strong and healthy and slim. They have actually purchased raw milk when they had a chance to (he's not a farmer, but live in a very dairy area).

So if anyone has anything bookmarked, I would love to see it