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post #21 of 32
It's not that anything in this thread is unclear but..........are Whole Foods "nicer" cheeses, like their blues, bries, etc. "safe"? Or is it a matter of personal choice? Alexisyael or ChiaraRose, what do you mamas think? Would you recommend it to a pregnant mama?
post #22 of 32
I would feel comfortable eating any of Whole Foods cheeses. You can ask their cheese people if any specific cheese is made with pasteurizd milk. I wouldn't recommend women who don't have a history of eating raw cheese to start eating raw cheese in pregnancy. But if you've eaten lots of raw cheese before the pregnancy, use your own best judgement.

I wish we had a whole foods around here
post #23 of 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiaraRose
As one of the pp said that Whole Foods imports cheeses that are not pasteurized is simply not true. It is not allowed by law!!!! They can't import ANY chesses from ANYWHWERE that are not pateurized. If you don't belive me , go there, ask to speak to the cheese buyer, not the counter person, and ask. I did when I had a research project on cheeses in culinary school and it is simply a law in the States that unpasteurized cheese can't be sold in a store, restaurant or anywhere LEGALLY.
Oh, and any food can be contaminated with bacteria, listeria is just on of them, but if you want to be sure heat everything up over 180 degrees, eat never anything raw, including hummus and you should be set.

(all info on cheese in this mail are regarding unaged cheeses under 60 days)
Well when do they pasteurize the cheese that says on the label it's made from raw milk? I've seen plenty of it at our local Whole Foods, first ingredient-- raw milk.
post #24 of 32
hummus is not dairy at all, so I'm confused about the comparison with soft cheese.

my midwife LOVES for me to eat hummus, and hummus has a big load of lemon juice in it, so according to the research presented, acidic environments are not conducive to listeria growth....so I would assume you are totally fine!

I will continue to eat my hummus
XOXO
B
post #25 of 32
it's something about the listeria risk. "technically" you should also never eat anything off of a salad bar either. Listeria grows in cold prepared foods I guess...my food safety training is a little rusty, lol.

anyway, I ate plenty of hummus and plenty off of salad bars. The risk of listeria is very, very, very minimal.
post #26 of 32
In regards to the last two posts (because I don't know how to quote from two different posts yet):

1. Well when do they pasteurize the cheese that says on the label it's made from raw milk? I've seen plenty of it at our local Whole Foods, first ingredient-- raw milk.

I believe that's what the FDA regs I posted earlier were talking about -- a clarification of the belief that stores can't sell unpasteurized cheese in the US: they can, it just has to be aged over 60 days. They're reviewing that right now to determine if they feel that aging method adequately prevents listeria contamination.

2. hummus is not dairy at all, so I'm confused about the comparison with soft cheese.

It's because both can carry listeriosis bacteria.

I think a lot of the PPs have it right that while premade (storebought) refrigerated hummus has a documented listeria risk, homemade fresh hummus is a different animal entirely.
post #27 of 32
I guess I should read the whole post before I start writing.

I used to work for Whole Foods and I know our cheesemaster used to point out the ones I shouldn't eat when I was pg. (that were made with raw milk). The guy's been making mozzarella since he was 5 so I trusted his opinion. I did eat my weight in cheese while pregnant, especially pasteurized brie and blue.

and I wonder why my baby will try and love any stinky cheese they sample at whole foods when we shop?
post #28 of 32
My doctor lost 14 week old twins to Listeria (from eating Brie, in Canada), and I've seen two women lose pregnancies to the bacteria on another board I go to. It's not THAT rare. Adults actually get Listeria quite commonly, but it's not a serious problem for most adults, bit of a store stomach and maybe slightly loose poops. It's often not known by adults that they even had it, but it is almost always fatal to fetuses.
post #29 of 32
Aprilushka,
I added a clarification at the end of my other post, I realized that my statement otherwise was confusing.
If you see cheese that is made with raw milk it is aged over 60 days and so far that has been considered safe It might be that the FDA is reconsidering this. So far that is the word though. Cheeses that are aged under 60 days, imported or not are pasteurized, otherwise it is illegal and it don't think that Whole Foods sells this anywhere. Usually fresh Mozarella, Blue Cheese and some Bries are young cheeses and hard cheeses (no listeria found on there) are aged and can be produced with raw milk (this is in general, read the label).
I am not telling anyone to go and eat this, it is at your own risk, but it is just not true that all soft cheeses are dangerous (at least not more dangerous than any food in general)
Look at the label,
pasteurized milk=safe to eat (no matter if soft)
raw milk=make your own judgement if it is a hard or soft cheese
I hope that clears it up a little bit.
Happy eating!!!
post #30 of 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiaraRose
Aprilushka,
I added a clarification at the end of my other post, I realized that my statement otherwise was confusing.
If you see cheese that is made with raw milk it is aged over 60 days and so far that has been considered safe It might be that the FDA is reconsidering this. So far that is the word though. Cheeses that are aged under 60 days, imported or not are pasteurized, otherwise it is illegal and it don't think that Whole Foods sells this anywhere. Usually fresh Mozarella, Blue Cheese and some Bries are young cheeses and hard cheeses (no listeria found on there) are aged and can be produced with raw milk (this is in general, read the label).
I am not telling anyone to go and eat this, it is at your own risk, but it is just not true that all soft cheeses are dangerous (at least not more dangerous than any food in general)
Look at the label,
pasteurized milk=safe to eat (no matter if soft)
raw milk=make your own judgement if it is a hard or soft cheese
I hope that clears it up a little bit.
Happy eating!!!
Thanks, I posted before reading the rest of the thread, my bad.

I've only been eating cheese made from pasteurized milk, but I'm beginning to think maybe I should give up on the pasteurized feta too, except for once in a while. Getting paranoid. I eat hummous only once in a while and it's from a cafe I think makes it daily so I will take my chances.
post #31 of 32
I am very glad that there was no need for a flyingspaghettimama PSA on this thread. I swear, we should make a sticky, because every month or so people come here after hearing scary myths about soft cheeses! Usually from their doctor or a random website. I will eliminate the fears of soft cheeses, as God as my witness...will you join my crusade for righteous cheese lovers?

Feta is good for the soul. And hummous. Unless made in the back of someone's truck. Then, maybe not so much.

Love,
Flyingspaghettimama,
Who loves her some soft cheese and raw milk cheeses (aged 60 days or more)

(and now that she's not pregnant, goes to Canada for her REALLY GOOD cheese)
post #32 of 32
I think it's probably safe to say I have joined your crusade, flyingspaghettimama! I LOVE me some cheese...

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