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post #1 of 10
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at the time the doctor/mohel makes the first prying of the foreskin from the glans?

i'm trying to answer a person on another board and don't want my information to be wrong.

thanks
~nay
post #2 of 10
Hi Nay, My circ'd dh still has his frenulum and it's definitely his favorite part.
post #3 of 10
If it were, wouldn't it also be destroyed if there was any premature retraction?
post #4 of 10
I think it depends on the type of circ whether or not the frenulum is destroyed. It's definitely not done with the separation of the foreskin from the glans - my circ'd DH has his.
post #5 of 10
From a damage standpoint, it doesn't really matter.

The frenulum can be cut/torn while the foreskin is being separated from the glans or it may survive to be cut away as a final finish step after the foreskin has been cut away.

But that doesn't really matter because no matter how it's done, the sexual sensitivity is gone for two reasons. First, a primary function of the frenulum is as a stretch receptor and once it has been cut, it doesn't stretch anymore so that function is gone. The frenulum is also a tactile input sensor the same as the clitoris. During the procedure, the inner and outer layers of the foreskin are cut at the same time and instead of being put back together edge to edge, they end up back to back where the frenular nerve and the frenular artery can not reconnect. Thus, no blood flow and no nerve = no sensation. Now that doesn't mean that there is absolutely no sensation in that area. There are nerves and blood vessels coming from adjacent areas. But, they are not connected to the proper area of the brain and to the proper sensory receptors so the feeling is like the feeling on the shaft skin, more or less. On other words, pleasant but not what it should have felt like.

On another site for men, the intact men described what it felt like to do certain things to their penis including touching and stretching the frenulum and frenular delta. As I read that, I became the most angry I have ever been about my own circumcision because they were describing things that were so normal and natural for them that they had never thought about it and it was so foriegn to me that I had no way to even begin to comprehend what they were describing.

When women of circumcised men describe that area of their SO as being especially sensitive, I start thinking. The corona and coronal succulus of the glans is the most sensitive part of the glans and it comes to a junction with the frenular delta on the underside of the glans. I'm wondering if that is what is being stimulated since it is almost impossible that the frenular nerve could survive circumcision. I've never found an answer for that. We (medicine) know so little about those parts that they are so dismissal of and so anxious to modify.



Frank
post #6 of 10
My frenulum is gone . On the bright side (as if there was one) I was loosely circumcised and have inner foreksin over halfway down my average sized shaft, which absolutley feels more sensitive than the outer shaft skin. Unfortunately, the ramaining shaft skin which goes up almost half way, would be considered hairy.
post #7 of 10
Before the actual excising of the foreskin, the tip of the foreskin is clamped with hemostats and forcibly stretched upen to allow the introduction of a blunt scissors or probe between the foreskin and glans. They use the instrument to tear the two structures apart. Some doctors are more agressive than others, but in most cases the frenulum is probably at least torn. With looser circumcisions, there may be some remaining frenulum if it was not pulled up into a clamp. But circumcision isn't an exact science and baby penises are tiny.

Jen
post #8 of 10
My dh frenulum is completely removed and he has a scar there from where it was cut off but he had an aggressive circumcision. I guess some little boys are luckier then others because some doctors choose not to remove the frenulum.
post #9 of 10
Kathy, all circumcisions have some destructive effect on the frenulum and just because there is a remnant there doesn't mean there is any function. If the frenulum were intact and performing some function, the foreskin remnant would cover the glans and the frenulum would keep the foreskin remnant forward except during an erection.
That would negate the reason the circumcision was done in the first place.



Frank
post #10 of 10
What Frank said.
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