#2 Biblical Marriage/Wife Submission Thread - Page 11

[AngelBee]

Originally Posted by lilyka

That is beautiful. So I had to look it up. Elisabeth Elliot said it. It doesn't suprise me that that those are her beutiful words. I just bought a book by her yesterday (Through the Gates of Splendor) and saw a documentry her son did about his father and the missionaries. Amazing amazing women. Women who weren't scared to submit to thier husbands wildest plans. Plans that did, promptly did leave them widowed in the jungle with small children. and they suspected as much. They could have fought. They could have presented the logical, the mens spiritual duty to them. but instead teh submitted gloriously and with such strength and dignity. And because of it the life of a whiole nation was changed. It was actually the catalyst for the last couple days of me being so thoughtful about submission. Had they acted in the flesh, had they not supported thier dhs when they disagreed, had they acted in fear and selfishness, such an oppritunity for the kingdom of heaven would have been lost. If you don't know the story . . .

I highly recommend watching this documentry by her son:
http://www.christiananswers.net/spot...fsplendor.html
it will knock your socks off. and break your heart. and really help you see the beauty of submission and everyone in Gods place at Gods time. amazing beautiful scary stuff.

I will check it out.

Thanks for posting the link

[AngelBee]

Originally Posted by DaryLLL

Hey AB, empty your inbox!

Fixed it

[DebraBaker]

Elizabeth Elliot is favored in the same circles that favor the pearls and Ezzos.

She is a child-beater and rather extreme.

Do you really think she's the best example to cite to support your position?

Debra Baker

[oldermamato5]

I have read her book "Through the Gates of Splendor" She has such a beautiful spirit.

[beccaboomom]

DB, this is a support thread!

[DebraBaker]

Are you supporting Elizabeth Elliot? If so I think its appropriate to know that she advocates beating small children.

Debra Baker

[oldermamato5]

She does NOT beat small children.

[beccaboomom]

Are you supporting Elizabeth Elliot?

I"ve only read one of her books and I don't think she mentioned beating anybody. DB just because you don't like someone doesn't mean that they are unworthy. :

[DebraBaker]

I thought it was fair to mention she advocates beating children with the rod.

You can do whatever you want with that information. I will keep mum henceforth.

DB

[DebraBaker]

Elizabeth Elliot's own words,

http://www.backtothebible.org/gateway/today/18867

[oldermamato5]

good idea.

[DaryLLL]

[beccaboomom]

Why can't we have a submission threat without the continual harrasement from posters who don't agree with submission?

[oldermamato5]

With all due respect,why are mamas here on this thread who do not support it? Is this not a *supportive* thread for Godly submission? I cannot understand what you are gaining from posting here.
Sincerely,
Kim

[Pynki]

I don't usually post on here, but I do read it. I think in this case DB just wanted to make sure everyone "knew" their source of comfort. Just as I wouldn't take advice from someone about my children from a child abuser I probably wouldn't think their marraige was ok either if that's what they did to "the least" in their family. KWIM.

Of course DB can speak for herself.

Warm Squishy Feelings..

Dyan

[georgia]

Hi, everyone. If you are not posting in support, please take it to Religious Studies. A firm and respectful reminder here:

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The Spirituality board is a forum of support, respectful requests of information, and sharing of faith and practice. To uphold this purpose the board will not host discussions of debate or criticism. Disagreements about spiritual issues should be set aside out of respect for the diversity and varying interpretations and beliefs that we hold as a community.

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If you aren't sure if your post is supportive, please DON'T POST.

[janerose]

Originally Posted by beccaboomom

Why can't we have a submission threat without the continual harrasement from posters who don't agree with submission?

This isn't in reference to any particular topic brought up here, but I'm really coming to find disagreement fortifying to my faith. Sounds funny I know, but this verse says to me that if we're doing what we should be doing we WILL have disagreement.

John 16:33 (from the Amplified Bible -- bold my emphasis)
I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world. [I have deprived it of power to harm you and have conquered it for you.]

Blessings,
Holly

[mamajama]

Is it possible to be supportive of women practicing submission and still voice concern over the sources? Because this is a direct quote from Elizabeth Elliot. Surely quoting the exact words of someone supportive cannot be deemed in violation:

"The hug is like dessert. They have to eat the spinach first. For a small child, I would give the spanking with a ruler, a wooden spoon, or a paint stirrer. You take the little hand, open it and hold it flat, and give whatever number of whacks are necessary to make the child cry. Maybe only one will be needed, and that not very often, once the child learns the principle. The switch, a thin little stick taken from a bush in the backyard perhaps, works well on children up to eleven, administered on the bare legs."

[georgia]

Spirituality is set up for support-only rather than discussion of why/why not.

Maybe this section of the forum guidelines help explain the intent further:

While we will not restrict discussions to persons of the faith being discussed we will be active in discouraging an individual from posting for the purpose of disagreement, with no interest in practicing the faith or belief in discussion, or to prove a faith or a belief to be wrong, misguided, or not based on fact.

We encourage you to post concerns about sources, teachings, etc over in Religious Studies to best keep Spirituality a safe-haven for all involved.

Please PM me or laralou with any further questions or concerns you may have.

Thanks!

[Cynthia Mosher]

I'd like to further emphasize the repeated request by the moderators to respect the rules of this forum. Members should avoid posting to discussions here in an inappropriate manner. If you are not sure what is acceptable and what is not, please contact the moderators by PM for clarification before you post. Any further posting by members that are against the rules of the forum will result in a suspension of that member's posting privileges to this forum.

As a hopeful, final solution for this issue, which seems to be a repetitive one for this particular topic, this thread is specific for those who wish to discuss IN AGREEMENT AND SUPPORT for Biblical Marriage/Wife Submission. If what you read here is not your idea of correct marriage and submission please step out of the discussion and open a thread of your own for another separate discussion either here in Spirituality or in Religious Studies, depending on the focus and intent.

If you wish to debate biblical marriage or submission, that can be done in the Religious Studies forum only.

If you believe in Submission/Biblical Marriage but differ in interpretation you can start another thread with a different title that is a reflection of your belief and practice.

If you wish to question belief about biblical marriage or submission with the intent to understand (not argue or debate or disagree) the belief and practice of others please start a thread of your own for interested members to post their input rather than turn this thread into one of questioning and disagreement.

If you do intend to practice the type of marriage and submission that is being advocated in this thread then your questions may be appropriately posted here.