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post #1 of 57
Thread Starter 
A lot of you know my story. Many don't I'm sure. But what is the general thought around here about infants receiving the Hep B shot after birth if the mom is positive for it? If the mom doesn't get the shot, what should she do instead? There are some threads on here about it, but none seem to help me much. Any links or anything would also be very usefull. I'm searching on my own and know that this is a very personal decision, but I'd appreciate some wisdom from you guys. When looking for info on my own I either don't find what I'm looking for. Or I can't understand what I read. : Thanks in advance
post #2 of 57
There was a mom on here a few months back who was hep. B positive and chose not to vax. Perhaps you can turn up the thread with a search. It would be a difficult issue, but I think in your shoes I wouldn't do it, personally.

good luck with your research!

-Angela
post #3 of 57
Thread Starter 
So should I take it personal that no one ever answers my posts? The only info I'm finding online about this is strong pro vax stuff. Nothing with any real information. Does anyone know a place I could start? Anyone have an opinion either way?

(Btw, I didn't catch this from drug use or unprotected sex. My mom passed it to me through birth).
post #4 of 57
Here is some info that I found in a quick search:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00042966.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00047437.htm

http://www.who.int/child-adolescent-...ON/updt-22.htm

Have you looked into HBIG?

http://www.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/hw40221.asp

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00022736.htm

Search PubMed and Google for "perinatal HBV", "HBIG", etc

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi

I saw this: "If the mother is positive for both HBsAg and HBeAg, about 80%-90% of infants will become infected." - do you know if you are positive for both? If not, do some searches for "perinatal HBsAG", etc.

http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2062.htm

http://www.ochealthinfo.com/epi/hepatitisB.htm

Julie
post #5 of 57
Thread Starter 
Man, I must really suck at searching. Thanks a bunch, that will keep me busy for a while.
post #6 of 57
I'm so sorry - I missed your thread!

I wanted to ask you if you plan on giving birth in a hospital. The reason why I ask is that you need to be legally prepared if you do refuse the Hep. B vax for your newborn, regardless if it is a birth dose hospital.

If your OB knows you are Hep. B positive, then the state health dept. knows.

I'm going to check your state child welfare laws and post back later.
post #7 of 57
No advice just wanted to give you a . Knowing whats best for our children isn't always easy. Hope you find the best choice for you.
post #8 of 57
WA Hep. B Reportable Condition (pregnant woman):
http://www.doh.wa.gov/cfh/Immunize/d...reporthepb.pdf

http://www.doh.wa.gov/notify/nc/hepb.htm

WA Dept. of Health Perinatal Hep. B Case Report
http://www.doh.wa.gov/notify/guidelines/hepb.htm

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I'll come back later on with any info. I find regarding WA State CPS and Hep. B + mothers - and as it relates to religious exemptions.
post #9 of 57
This was on your state's health dept. website regarding state intervention & parental refusal for treatment - read it very carefully, particularly page 10.

http://www.sboh.wa.gov/Priorities/Ch...edRefusals.pdf
post #10 of 57
WA State Hep. B Prevention Assessment (chart):
http://www.doh.wa.gov/cfh/Immunize/d...edata01_02.pdf
post #11 of 57
Thread Starter 
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Infants born to HBsAg positive mothers should be given a single dose of HBIG (0.5 ml IM) and vaccine within 12 hours of birth. The first dose of vaccine should be given concurrently with HBIG at birth but at a separate site. The second and third doses of vaccine (without HBIG) are given 1-2 and 6 months later. It is recommended to test the infant for HBsAg and anti-HBs at 9-15 months of age to monitor the success or failure of therapy. Infants who are anti-HBs positive and HBsAg negative are protected and do not need further vaccine doses. Infants found to be anti-HBs negative and HBsAg negative should be reimmunized.
Maybe someone can explain that statement to me? I plan to have this baby at home. But the health workers arent my biggest concern. I'm pretty good at dodging them.
post #12 of 57
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Infants who are anti-HBs positive and HBsAg negative are protected and do not need further vaccine doses. Infants found to be anti-HBs negative and HBsAg negative should be reimmunized.
This has to do with the vaccine having only part of the virus used to promoted immunity... if you actually have Hep B you test postive for all three parts of the virus - surface antigen, core antigen and one other part that I'm flaking on right now... I'll post more when I have a chance to pull out my Immunology notes.
post #13 of 57
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Originally Posted by Melaya
I plan to have this baby at home.
post #14 of 57
Thread Starter 
Can I think out loud here for a moment? What it seems to come down to is that if I don't do the shot, the baby will more than likely catch Hep B. Now that leaves me with trying to figure out what that means in terms of health ect. I've known many who got severly ill from it (a couple that died) and then you wouldn't even know that the rest have it. I think those that got the sickest just happen to be the ones that took the worst care of themselves. But what is the hardest thing about having it is how you are treated. I have a timeline of traumatic events that occured to me during my childhood as a result of being positive for it. It's kind of like having aids, I got treated just like that (kicked out of a dentists chair, teacher made me flush my tooth instead of keep it for the tooth fairy because it/me was "dirty", having the health department constantly on my ass and treating me like I'm stupid, ect). So right now I think I just want to do the shot again just to avoid those sorts of situations for this babe. Plus I'm scared of what will happen to me legally if I don't. I don't know, this is so hard. At least I have time to think more. Thanks for letting me ramble
post #15 of 57
HBIG is not an immunization. It's actual immune cells that will fight off the virus. These cells last for a few weeks.

The Vaccine will encourage the baby's immune system to make it's own antibodies. These will start to be effective about the time that the HBIG wears off.

The standard recommendation is that the Vaccine and HBIG is given very soon after birth, one type in each leg, so they don't mix too much. Every member of the baby's household is recommended to be tested, and treated if positive and vaccinated if negative. If the baby is tests negative in a few months, the baby continues to get the vaccination series. If they are positive, they get treatment, but the vaccine is not continued. The HBIG is only used once, at birth.

I don't know if you want my personal opinion on this - but I'll give it to you. I am very much against routine vaccination for HepB at birth. But I think that vaccination and IG treatment for babies born to positive mothers is a proven treatment to prevent transmission. I would seriously consider it for my own child and would encourage others to consider it too.

Mother to child transmission is the most common method of tranmission worldwide. I am sorry if you feel stigmatized. I will admit that HepB scares me as a health care provider. But I strive to treat everyone as if they have it - not to treat known carriers differently.
post #16 of 57
Thread Starter 
Well I had always felt comfortable with the fact that I gave dd the Hep B series and the other shot that they give at birth for it. It's the only vax we did and plan to do and it seemed worth it. But then a few people on this site rolled their eyes at me and in their own words called me stupid for doing it. They never really followed up with why they actually felt that way though. Or even suggested somewhere to read that would help clue me in on why they thought it was a terrible choice to make. I know others cant' make decisions for me. I guess I was just hopeing they would come back to this thread and let me know what they meant when they said that it was something that I shouldn't have done. Thanks for your opinion Apricot, it means a lot to me. I won't bring it up anymore. This is obviously something that I have to do alone.
post #17 of 57
I am looking for the real numbers as to reduction in risk. The best numbers I can find are 85-90% prevention of transmission, but I want comparison numbers instead - no treatment vs. treatment.

FYI - if you decide to do either HBIG or the vaccination, your midwife can administer them in Washington State. She probably doesn't have the vaccination in stock because most MWs discourage routine HepB vaccination at birth, but she can get it legally. Whatever path you take, it might be useful to know that, especially if the Health Dept or DSHS come calling. What you do and what you say you did and what's legal sometimes come together for a good story. PM if that's too vague.
post #18 of 57
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The Vaccine will encourage the baby's immune system to make it's own antibodies. These will start to be effective about the time that the HBIG wears off.
This assumes antibodies = immunity. Something even vax researchers don't know for sure.


An infant's liver doesn't produce bile until they are about 3-4 days old.

Here are some facts on the hep b vaccine.

I say "a big fat NO" I would not give anyone this vax.

# The hepatitis B vaccine, is a recombinant DNA vaccine. It is produced by cloning the hepatitis virus, and then, adding the cloned virus to a yeast-based culture. This culture, as with all vaccine cultures, contains a variety of foreign proteins originating from other viruses and bacteria. In 1971, scientists in Geneva discovered that when viral proteins are injected directly into the bloodstream, they combine with human genetic material, causing DNA to mutate. ( translated..the vaccine messes with your dna)

# By late 1998, there were 439 deaths in the United States attributed to the hepatitis B vaccine. Between 1991 and 1999, 25,000 adverse reactions to the hepatitis B vaccine were reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).

# By 1999, at least 100 medical reports confirmed at least 45 side effects associated with the hepatitis B vaccine, many related to chronic crippling disabilities and permanent neurological damage. Adverse reactions include: polyneuropathy, Guillain-Barre (paralytic nerve damage), visual disturbances and blindness, vertigo, tinnitus (ringing in the ears), serum sickness, colitis, autism, herpes zoster, myesthenia gravis and rheumatoid arthritis.

# Since 1987, there have been at least 38 reports in international medical literature showing that the hepatitis B vaccine causes chronic autoimmune and neurological disease in both children and adults. Because it is genetically engineered,the vaccine can confuse the body's immune system into attacking itself resulting in an auto-immune response such as multiple sclerosis (MS).( or diabetes) In 1997, while publicly defending hepatitis B vaccine, the CDC produced an internal memo suggesting a "possible association between the vaccine and multiple sclerosis." (this really disturbs me....other countries come right out and say YES it causes these things...but the CDC says "possible associaton".)

# In 1998, 15,000 people filed a class action lawsuit against the French government because the officially mandated hepatitis B vaccine caused thousands to develop MS-like symptoms. That year, France ended compulsory hepatitis B vaccinations. ( the same exact vaccine used here...yet the CDC still maintains "possible association")

# In 1998, data linking the vaccine to auto-immune diseases, including lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, was released at the 62nd annual meeting of the American College of Rheumatology. That same year, a study by Dr. John Classen, an immunologist at Classen Immunotherapies, published a paper linking hepatitis B vaccine with the development of insulin dependent diabetes in certain children. Diabetes is considered an auto-immune disease.

In 1999, Dr. Jane Orient, executive director of the American Association of Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) made the following statements about the hepatitis B vaccine:

"An independent review of the VAERS data; publications by governmental, pro-vaccine, and anti-vaccine groups; and a sample of the medical literature leads to the following conclusions: For most children, the risk of a serious vaccine reaction may be 100 times greater than the risk of hepatitis B....VAERS contains 25,000 reports related to hepatitis B vaccine, about one-third of which were serious enough to lead to an emergency room visit, hospitalization, or death."

The ingredients are:
Cloned hep B virus , yeast ,aluminium and mercury ( thimersol).
Aluminum: Enviromental Defense Fund Suspected - cardiovascular, or blood toxicant, neurotoxicant, respiratory toxicant.
More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 6 ranking systems.
On at least 2 federal regulatory lists.

Thimerosal: EDF Recognized - developmental toxicant. Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant.


It seems to me I'd rather my kids have/ be exposed to hep B. Something that rarely causes problems in children , and with proper diet and rest goes away. Versus the vaccine that can cause autoimmune disorders that will haunt them for life.
post #19 of 57
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Originally Posted by Jen123
This assumes antibodies = immunity. Something even vax researchers don't know for sure.
True, but the babies of positive mothers who got the vaccine didn't get HepB as often as the babies of positive mothers who didn't get the vaccine. That's beyond the issue of whether antibiodies=immunity and into whether it works.
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"An independent review of the VAERS data; publications by governmental, pro-vaccine, and anti-vaccine groups; and a sample of the medical literature leads to the following conclusions: [b]For most children, the risk of a serious vaccine reaction may be [u]100 times greater than the risk of hepatitis B....
For most children - her unborn baby is not "most children". We know her baby will be exposed, for example. You can't say that about most children.
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Thimerosal: EDF Recognized - developmental toxicant. Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant.
The HepB vaccine currently used for infants doesn't contain thimerosal.
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It seems to me I'd rather my kids have/ be exposed to hep B. Something that rarely causes problems in children , and with proper diet and rest goes away. Versus the vaccine that can cause autoimmune disorders that will haunt them for life.
That seems mean to say to a mama that got HepB from her mother, and it hasn't gone away and it is continuing to cause problems.
post #20 of 57
Thread Starter 
It didn't go away in my parents, my moms ex, his three kids, my moms six kids, ect. I hear that get thrown around here a lot and I don't know what to say. I guess we could have "defective" genes of some sort. Even though that wouldn't explain my mom's ex and his family. This is how I'm feeling right now
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