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Originally Posted by UnschoolnMa
What bothers me far more than what a doll might or might not be wearing is teaching kids to call people names/assume bad things based on their attire.
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Originally Posted by MrsMoe
Apparently you didn't see these Bratz dolls, so I will repost the link:
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? She never did Barbie and in fact rarely played with dolls at all. She has always been more of a build and crash it down girl. Two years ago, she got curious about them when her friends got into them. I let her get some because she asked and was at the time 10. For reference, they do not dress like the hookers in our hood. Yes, we really have them and drug dealers and gang bangers to boot. Hookers, where we live, tend to dress pretty normal. DD thinks they are very weird and not something she would aspire to be. And yes, I told her she woouldn't get past the front, back or side door dressed like that. We talked fairly openly about the message that sends to people when they see you looking like that. When her friends were over and did all played with the Bratz, it was pretty harmless. Let's go shopping, to the park, movies type stuff. Now, they sit in a box, unused. She does not hang out with those friends either, which is partly sad since they were all such good friends. They spend too much time talking about hair, nails, boys and gossip- according to dd. I think that had I made it a big issue and not let her have the stupid things in the house, it would have made her very resentful. And no I am not afraid of making my kid angry over issues that matter. This was just not a battle I felt needed to happen. I had to trust her enough to see the doll for what it was. She did. I guess the bottom line is, as parents we make judgement calls for our kids and what we are confortable letting them have. We are the ones that have to live them and so it should be ok if the parent says so (barring cases of abuse, neglect, ect). I know I would hate if someone said I was a bad mom for letting dd or ds do ???, even though I carefully thought it through. We are all, for the most part, trying to do the best we can doing the hardest job in the world- raising healthy, balanced children.
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Originally Posted by dharmamama
I have been thinking about this some more and thinking about my daughter, who is almost 4. She currently loves the Magic Treehouse books about Jack and Annie. She has seen in the books that Annie wears pigtails, so she has told me many times to do her hair in pigtails so that she can "look like Annie." Why is it so much of a leap to think that my daughter would also want to dress like Annie? (In reality, she does, because Annie most often wears jeans and t-shirts.) In fact, when Annie travels through time, she wears clothes characteristic of the time period she is in, and my daughter gets out her play silks and and dress-up clothes and dresses up like Annie in China, Annie in the Arctic, Annie in Shakespeare's England. Why isn't it reasonable to think that a little girl who plays with Bratz would want to look like a Brat?
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. and have fun accessories that aren't centered around high fashion, shopping or lazing about and there is nothing sexual about them 
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Originally Posted by lilyka
It is about more than sex too. It is a whole unattractive attitude and the lifestyle thier accessories promote also go against our values.
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Originally Posted by dharmamama
I have been thinking about this some more and thinking about my daughter, who is almost 4. She currently loves the Magic Treehouse books about Jack and Annie. She has seen in the books that Annie wears pigtails, so she has told me many times to do her hair in pigtails so that she can "look like Annie." Why is it so much of a leap to think that my daughter would also want to dress like Annie? (In reality, she does, because Annie most often wears jeans and t-shirts.) In fact, when Annie travels through time, she wears clothes characteristic of the time period she is in, and my daughter gets out her play silks and and dress-up clothes and dresses up like Annie in China, Annie in the Arctic, Annie in Shakespeare's England. Why isn't it reasonable to think that a little girl who plays with Bratz would want to look like a Brat?
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Originally Posted by MomBirthmomStepmom
Do what you want in your own home for your own family, but don't go pushing others to be just like you.
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, and FWIW, their waists are smaller than Barbie's. Way smaller.
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Originally Posted by MomBirthmomStepmom
One child can take a 'doll' much differently than another. I don't think it's fair at all to push your own stereotypes and thoughts (this is directed to the general 'you', not anyone in particular), on ANY other family or ANYONE else's child. You don't know them, you DON'T know the child and you CANNOT compare how your child would act/react to how another's child would/will.
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Originally Posted by dharmamama
Even the "cute" Bratz dolls someone listed are showing their midriffs. |
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Originally Posted by UnschoolnMa
Well, the difference for some people is that they don't think there is a single thing wrong with showing your belly, and so a doll who is showing her's isn't a problem.
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Originally Posted by dharmamama
Why do these types of threads always turn into as "If your opinion is different than mine, then you are trying to make decisions for me and my family"?
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Originally Posted by MomBirthmomStepmom
Cause that's what it sounds like some people want to do, or are trying to do.
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