Originally Posted by Momtwice
It was abuse
By YOUR definition?
Originally Posted by Sheena
Well, I guess that depends on your definition of abuse, doesn't it? Personally, I don't give a rat's patootie what is legal or not legal IMNSHO hitting anyone (a child, an adult, a dog) is abuse and I calls it like I sees it.
And such that it fell within my definition of abuse but not the state's calling the police would have done exactly ZERO good...as has been mentioned in this thread already.
Exactly. Different definitions obviously exist. I don't mean this disrespectfully, but do you think the situation as it evolved did any good? I know that you stated that your intent was only toward your family, not toward anyone else, but now in hindsite, if you had it to do again, would you do it the same?
I don't want to keep repeating myself, I'm sure it's getting old, but IMO your response also did ZERO good and actually did harm, though granted not intentionally, but I'm kinda a "first do no harm" kinda gal. I think that if you have a problem with public opinion, public policy or the law regarding spanking that you have the right and the responsibility
to work to change that. I think it goes without saying that we are very different people (i.e., your statement that you don't give a rat's patootie as well as a previous comment about something not being your problem show extreme differences between us), and it doesn't surprise me that we have very different views dispite that fact that we both feel strongly again spanking. I respect that you are doing what you feel is right, and I have no doubt that you have your families best interest at heart and that goes a looooong way to speaking to your character.
Originally Posted by Monkeyfeet
I really liked this part on speaking to management,
"Find a manager or supervisor and say something like, "Please speak to the woman in the red coat. She is hitting her child." If the employee refuses to intervene, claiming that how a parent disciplines his or her child is not their business, ask if he or she would show a similar lack of concern if one adult were assaulting another, or if the child were being assaulted by a stranger. Also, ask about their policies regarding workplace violence. Tell the employee that if he or she does not take appropriate steps to protect the child, you will be contacting the president of the business, as well as the local media."
FYI - I'm quoting myself, but FWIW...
DH and I both come from a retail background, and the idea about invoking management wouldn't have worked at any of the(five) places at which we worked. Many (most, I think) retail establishments train managers what to do in situations such as customer complaints about nursing in public (allow person filing the complaint to vent and be heard, but take no action), customer complaints about parental interactions with children (more complex, but generally in situations involving differing opinions on discipline, give the benefit of the doubt to the parent and allow the person filing the complain to be heard and to vent but don't take action unless the safety of the child is in question-per judgement of management...if deemed the child is not in danger and the complaintent makes threats, offer phone access (public if possible, i.e., a pay phone) to the complaintent so that they can voice their complaint to the authorities) Retail places receive a ton of 'threats' from customers stating they will take their compaint to the next level or invoke the media...employees even at the highest ranks of in-store personel are versed on store policy and generally do not have the authority to deviate from it.
Well ladies, I think I have said all that I am going to say on this topic as it seems to be going around and around, and I'm finding myself seeing some of you as the antogonist, definately not the way it should be. It is obviously a heated topic, and I can certainly understand why, given that our most precious and volunerable children lie at the center. If I saw all spanking as abuse, I'm sure my world would be a little sadder and I'm sure my passions would tend to flair on the topic. Perhaps I come from a unique perspective in that I come from spanking parents who were as loving and as non-violent as they come. Going forward, unless someone specifically posts a question to my attention, consider my involvement in this thread to be over. Best wishes to you all and Happy New Year.