They did it again. They actually did it again. - Page 2

[pdx.mothernurture]

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF?!?!?!

How could some doctor do that to him? I don't care if the parents wanted it!!! What he did is BEYOND circumcision. Couldn't he explain that what little skin he had left he would GROW INTO, and what horrific problems stripping his tiny baby penis of every last bit of foreskin will cause?

Sociopathic, sadistic, selfish...

:Puke

Good grief.

That poor, sweet, innocent, vulnerable, defenseless, trusting baby boy...



I am not sure I've ever been more disgusted.

Oh, wait...I have...a woman on one of the debate boards had her son cut THREE times.

POSITIVELY OBSCENE.

Jen

[Ann-Marita]

Oh, Splash, I am so sorry.

[LavenderMae]

That poor baby. I'm so upset that parents would do this. I can't even imagine the pain that precious baby has been put through. why the f would a doctor be willing to do that. I just don't even know what to say. This makes me so sad and angry. What they did is beyond disgusting.

[midstreammama]

I'm so sorry, Splash. I had been reading that sweet, baby boy's story and I just don't know what to say. That is really disgusting what they are doing to that babe. I hope he reminds them of it every single day he is able.
to you and to that sweet babe.

I third the motion of letting them know what you really think of them. They have gone too far.

[pdx.mothernurture]

Does your anti-circ MIL know yet?

Jen

[doubledaisy]

: for the baby. I hope he is able to have a pain free life.

[Velvet005]

splash, I am sorry your nephew has been through this not only once but twice in his early life. Poor little guy

[Jasmyn's Mum]

I'm at a loss for words. I'm so sorry. For the baby and for you.

[Microsoap]

!!!please Read!!!

Originally Posted by sunflower_mommy

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF?!?!?!

How could some doctor do that to him? I don't care if the parents wanted it!!! What he did is BEYOND circumcision. Couldn't he explain that what little skin he had left he would GROW INTO, and what horrific problems stripping his tiny baby penis of every last bit of foreskin will cause?

Sociopathic, sadistic, selfish...

:Puke

Good grief.

That poor, sweet, innocent, vulnerable, defenseless, trusting baby boy...



I am not sure I've ever been more disgusted.

Oh, wait...I have...a woman on one of the debate boards had her son cut THREE times.

POSITIVELY OBSCENE.

Jen

Please have those idiot parents (and the docs, too, in theory) read my post about "circumcision is horrible don't do it". It's about the guy in a small West Virginia town who was circumcised too tightly... I unfortunately suspect like your poor nephew, w/ ABSOLUTELY NO loose skin on his shaft both flaccid and erect. The sadistic old goat doc is the _only_ one in the small town where he and all the other boys grew up in and he circumcised them ALL this way! The results is a TOTALLY MISERABLE sex life. PAINFUL erections, RAW, DRY masturbation of the shaft. Something that is EXTREMELY IMPOSSIBLE to reverse (re: restoration) and something's that COULD BE AVOIDED w/ a looser circ.

F**K! Print that post out and wave it in her face and tell her THIS is the boy's future. Seriously, he's potentially messed up for life now.

[Down_under]

Oh God I feel sick to my stomach. I don't know what to say to you. The saddness I feel for the innocent little boy is overwhelming.

I second the notion of cutting them out of your life. That is child abuse, plain and simple. Tell them what you think of them, tell them EXACTLY what they have done to their child, then tell them as much as it pains you to not see that little boy anymore (because God only knows what kind of parents they are going to be) that you can't have anything to do with them anymore because thinking about this barbaric act they have performed makes you want to vomit.

And what the hell kind of doctor would do this? For goodness sakes somebody tear HIS penis off and then see how he feels about what he's done.

[Daisyuk]

Is it possible to find out which doctor did it and make a complaint?

[Mommiska]

Oh, Splash - I am so so sorry. I am sitting here with tears in my eyes. Your poor, poor nephew.

I wonder, though, if it wouldn't be a good idea to get in touch with one of the lawyers who specialise in this kind of case and find out what your nephew will need to know, so he will be able to sue his circumciser in the future.

Once you have this information, would it be possible to sit down with your SIL and give her the information about possible consequences of too-tight circs, along with the information she needs to sue the doctor who did this?

There is a good possibility she won't be open to this information at all (so you could then keep it for your nephew, once he's old enough to understand). But it is the doctor here who is beyond negligent and who needs to be stopped.

Parents who do this, by and large, do not realise what they are doing. Yes, they have cut their child to suit their own aesthetic tastes (which is sick in and of itself), but they don't want to (or realise that they quite possibly are going to) ruin their child's future sex life.

I know it's asking a lot of you. And I think I would have a hard time sitting down calmly with parents who could do that to their child. But if you could make your sil understand what has just been done to her son and actually get her to take action against the doctor who did this, not only would you help your nephew, but you might actually make the doctor stop and fully inform parents about the possible consequences of a re-circ, instead of just going ahead and butchering the next child whose parents don't like the way his circ looks.

[bunniemunch]

as sick as the doc was who did the extra tight circ, the parents are as much to blame as the doc.


poor lil boy

[nd_deadhead]

Just when you think you've seen it all...

Splash, my heart goes out to you and your nephew. And I would really like to strangle both the idiot parents AND the doctor who agreed to this. He must have thought he hit the jackpot, getting to do it again. Do you suppose they had to pay for the second one out of pocket? I can't imagine insurance paying for it twice.

I'm curious too about Grandma's reaction. At least you have her IRL to cry with.

I sure hope this poor little guy is one of the lucky ones who doesn't suffer his entire life for his parents' selfishness.

[dynamohumm6]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...people that get their son's circed because THEY don't like the way it looks disgust me. Unless you are the one that OWNS it, or is having sex with it, your opinion on it's appearance DOES NOT COUNT.

God, this is just one of the most disgusting things I've ever read. Did the father want it done again because the baby still wasn't acting like a real man or something?
:

[Leiahs]

OMG. There are not words to describe my horror. Knowing this feels so much worse than when I found out my new own little nephew would be circ'd.

I think if *I* were this poor little boy, I would have just lost my will to live, and let myself curl up and die. Seriously. ---HOW--- could these "parents" DO such a thing to him, TWO TIMES in EIGHT DAYS?!?!?

Poor, sweet innocent baby boy.

[splash]

The first time it was done by the OB, the second time by the pediatrician.
The OB left a LOT of skin. I myself was concerned about it because I know Jess, and I didn't think she would take care of it properly and he would get horrible adhesions.
I don't know what transpired to make them do it again. They were at the pediatrician, and he mentioned it. I don't know if they asked, or he offered, or what. All I know is that they removed the rest of the foreskin.
The cut itself looks good (I mean it's a clean and dry cut, not a pretty one) and it doesn't appear infected. But it is a tight circumcision, which is what they wanted in the beginning.
And I am pissed at them, and the ped. But I am also a bit miffed at the OB. I mean, she should have ASKED them what they 'wanted' to avoid having this done. But I am guessing that most parents do it the first time and get over it if it's not how they wanted it. I don't think too many people go back a second time. Zach is just lucky I guess. But, if the OB had done it tight in the first place, or at least tightER, then it would have been a one time thing.
I don't know what to think. And yeah, I am PISSED at Jess for allowing this, but I can't believe that it's all her. Mike probably convinced her how glad he is not to have a foreskin and how Zachary will hate having one and he'll have all these problems because of it. So, she caved.
My MIL is beyond pissed with them, but what can she do? We can cut them out of our lives and never see that baby again... and not be able to protect him if he needs it, or we can tell her how disgusting she is and how horrible what she has done is, and then move on and have a relationship with him. If there wasn't a baby involved, we would probably cut ties with them. But there IS a baby involved, our nephew and Charlie's cousin. And it's not his fault. Cutting ties is not going to uncircumcise him. And maybe once Mike is gone (less than two weeks!!) we will be able to appeal to her common sense and love for her child and get her to be normal. Right now, she is calling us a LOT with nursing problems... and right now, getting her to breastfeed is more important than airing our true feelings about what she did to Zachary. If we burn bridges, we lose the opportunity to help and intervene in other ways. Like FINALLY convincing Jess last night to let me inspect Zachary's car seat (Mike wouldn't let me, I had to do it behind his back. He wanted to feel like a 'man' so he wouldn't even let me install it when we were at the hospital. Glad I checked last night because he had done a horrible job). So really... we cannot be advocates for the baby if we are not even involved in his life. And I'm thinking the kid is gonna need all the advocates he can get.

[TigerTail]

my prayers are with you and jean to be strong for this boy. the carseat thing is making me ill in itself. maybe someday they will realize how lucky they are to have you in their lives; but for sure zachary will.

(i wish your whole story & zach's could be stickied somewhere in toto; it is an eloquent story & the full horror is really hard-to-digest unless you can read the threads consecutively. maybe his story will help others.)

[AntoninBeGonin]

Originally Posted by splash

Like FINALLY convincing Jess last night to let me inspect Zachary's car seat (Mike wouldn't let me, I had to do it behind his back. He wanted to feel like a 'man' so he wouldn't even let me install it when we were at the hospital. Glad I checked last night because he had done a horrible job). .

Well the only good thing about this thread is the husband is really making me appreciate my Matt.

I'd have gotten divorced long before now if I were in your SIL's shoes. Oh well.

I agree with you. Keeping in touch for the sake of Zachary is the best thing for him. I bet they'll want to start spanking around 4 months, so maybe you can be there to offer more GD alternatives. I'm sure she appreciates the breastfeeding help, too.

That poor, poor little baby.

~Nay

[keptwoman]

Im sick with horror! The sexual problems this poor boy might have later because of his parents
He is a lucky boy to have you and Jean in his life.