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post #1 of 15
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Jonah is our first baby, he is 7m.o. now.

My husband and I want to have at least one more child (maybe 2). And we think that it’d be really a good idea to have age difference between Jonah and our next baby not more than 24 months, so it’d be more interesting for them to play together and also this way we hope to avoid the issue of jealousy. At the same time I want to continue breastfeeding Jonah AT LEAST until 1 year of age (ideally the more the better).

Having said that, trying to understand when it’d be a good idea to begin trying for another baby, I have been doing some research about a possibility of breastfeeding while being pregnant and frankly haven’t found a strong confident opinion about this issue this way or another.

While most of time people say “yes, you can breastfeed while being pregnant” somehow they do not cover the issues that are brought up here and there. For example, I have read that progesterone which is high during pregnancy causes milk to change taste and many babies wean themselves because they do not like the way milk tastes. Or that progesterone and some other pregnancy hormones can be not too good for the baby. Or that the fetus will not have all necessary nutrition because they will go into milk. Some sources would say that breastfeeding will not stimulate contractions for the first 20 weeks of pregnancy or so and other sources say that it will.

I also have some ideas about making a really strong effort to continue breastfeeding Jonah after a pregnancy break (assuming I do get pregnant and deliver a baby). I have been thinking that perhaps it’d be possible to get him receiving some breastmilk after another baby is born. For example, this time I had so much milk for at least first four months that I was ready to blow up pretty much all the time, day and night; I think I could nurse exclusively at least 3 babies. Assuming that I will have that much milk with the second baby, I could probably express a lot of it and give it to Jonah in a cup. Or maybe (that is my dream) he would be already in this age when I could explain him that mom’s boobies are SO full that they could definitely use his help to feel better and my dream is that he will start nursing. I don’t know, maybe all this ideas are way too naive and when I try them the reality will tell me that it’s absolutely impossible to have a toddler nursing or even having breastmilk in a cup once he/she is weaned. That would be so very sad though…
What do you guys think about it? Did anyone have an experience of breastfeeding during pregnancy and how was it. And have anyone ever tried to get a toddler back to breastfeeding after weaning? If yes, was it a success?
I’d really appreciate every comment and opinion!
Thanks!
post #2 of 15
Have you seen this info from kellymom? It's true that some babies will wean during pregnancy, either because of taste change or lack of milk. Then there are others, like my son, who will hang in there and not stop, may cut down but not end completely. And it may take a while to get pregnant too, took us over a year even though it only took us 2 months for son. Hope this link helps!

http://www.kellymom.com/bf/tandem/index.html
post #3 of 15
Adventures In Tandem Nursing by Hilary Flower is a great resource for your questions, too. She addresses all that "nursing during pregnancy" stuff. And, of course, do visit the kellymom site. Awesome info there.

For what it's worth, I am tandem nursing, which of course means I nursed through my 2nd pregnancy. My son was born healthy and my daughter nursed faithfully through the whole pregnancy. On the down side, my milk dried up within the first trimester. Had dd been under a year, I would have worried about HER health since she did not eat solids until 14 months. We are not planning a 3rd child, but if we were, I'd make sure to wait to ttc long enough for my nursling to be on solids for nutrition (rather than for fun) since my milk dried up the first time....just in case.
post #4 of 15
Also check out "Mothering Your Nursing Toddler" it's a LLL published book and it has a chapter on tandem nursing that is excellent (I just read it last night). You might also contact your local LLL leader and see if they have any thoughts on this - I'm pretty sure there's a pamphlet they could give you.

Feel free to PM me also if you need to talk more.
post #5 of 15
I tandem nursed my oldest when I was PG and for over a year after my youngest was born. My oldest was 16 months when I got PG again and they are 2 years apart.

I'll be honest with you in my experience..... I hated it and I don't recommend it to anyone who honestly wants my opinion...BUT every experience is different, so mine is like some women's, but different than others. There were times when my oldest son made my skin crawl. There was so much deep breast pain and tenderness throughout the whole thing until my milk came in after ds2 was born. It was horrible and I would never do it again on purpose. I was totally over-touched after my youngest was born I thought I might have a nervous breakdown. I had an instinct that kicked in for my baby and feelings toward my oldest that I never thought I'd have. I felt emotionally and physically horrible. However....seeing how my oldest self weaned at just over 3 years of age and how happy it made him to nurse during those rough first few months with a newborn was worth it all. Also, the book Adventures in Tandem nursing was helpful with the resentful feelings I was having. Made me feel more normal and less like I was a bad mom for wanting to just run away from home forever. Fortunately, I had great support from DH, our midwife who birthed ds2 at our home and my LLL leader and other breastfeeding friends.

As for the questions about nursing while pregnant (from memory of reading Adventures in Tandem Nursing and talking to my LLL leader), the toddler won't take away from the baby, just make sure you stay properly hydrated and maintain good nutrition. The milk does change and some kids don't like it, therefore just weaning themselves. It is safe to nurse while pregnant, your progesterone levels that make milk will drop drastically and you'll notice a big change in the fullness of your breasts. As for stimulating contractions that cause labor, that's not necessarily true. Breastfeeding alone won't make a baby come out, but it sure is helpful when you are full term and on the border of labor! You will feel BH contrax, but they go away and don't last long and that's normal. Nothing in a normal pregnancy will make a baby come out before it's ready (generalization, but speaks to breastfeeding).

It was nice to have my oldest there when he wanted to nurse to help with engorgement. He could empty a breast SO fast and it was such a relief. That was one of the 2 benefits.

I guess my personal opinion is that when a toddler is ready to wean, we have to let them take us down that road. If he would have weaned, I would have just let him. If he had asked after the baby was born, I would have let him try it again, but I personally don't think it's necessary to encourage them to nurse at that age if they are adamant about not doing it anymore. It's child led weaning and they lead the way!
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
PerennialMom, thanks so much for sharing with me your personal experience! It means A LOT to me! It really does!
And thank you all for giving me so useful links and advices! I have never heard about www.kellymom.com before, but now I’m reading it and it is absolutely wonderful site! THANKS!

I SURE WANT to do Tandem Nursing (you will laugh, but I honestly have never heard about Tandem Nursing before and was pretty sure that I was the one who invented it...in my imagination, of course , but wasn't really sure if it could be done). And now I’m so happy that it CAN be done !

PerennialMom, who knows, perhaps tandem breastfeeding was not responsible for the horrible pain you have experienced when your new baby arrived. I was breastfeeding just one baby and my experience was quite agonizing. For the first at least 2 months of breastfeeding Jonah I had really bad pain. It was especially bad during the first couple of weeks. Well, “bad” it’s not exactly the word to describe it; for the first week my breasts were bleeding, bruised and they hurt so much that I spent topless my entire hospital stay (I had to have c-section because my baby was in a complete breech position, so my hospital stay was 4 days). Anything (I mean ANYTHING), that was touching my nipples caused awful pain; I couldn’t use even the softest nursing pads, so when my milk arrived it was leaking straight to the sheets (yuck, but I didn’t care back then, I just wanted to survive all this). I can not describe how it felt every time my baby would latch on my breast, there is simply no such a word to describe it (“pain” would be way too weak). It was absolutely and totally agonizing! My baby liked it though, he was too happy to play with my breasts, feeling free to unlatch and latch again as many times as he wanted and he wanted alot . I had to clench my teeth and fists to not scream or push him away every time he did that. That was quite an experience. Bottom line, I guess we just never know how our body will react whether it’s just one baby or two.

I do still have some concerns about contractions caused by breastfeeding during pregnancy and I definitely will need to give this issue a lot of attention and studding. I have a unicorned uterus (half of a normal size) and therefore I’m at higher risk then normal pregnancy. With Jonah, I had to stay on bed rest for nearly 12 weeks as I got pretty strong contractions during my 28th week that were continuing until the end of the pregnancy.
Because of the same issue I couldn’t get pregnant naturally (we had to go with IVF/ In Vitro Fertalization)…well, it has nothing to do with breastfeeding…just wanted to share.

Anyway, tonight when my baby is asleep I’ll definitely order the books that you have recommended; I’m so excited that there are good ones where I can find a lot of interesting and helpful info about something I didn’t even think existed (exept in my imagination )!
THANKS!
post #7 of 15
Hey Yulia... good luck with your ttc plans! I've planned to tandem nurse twice now, but my milk supply goes way down during pregnancy so I guess my kids don't want to bother nursing anymore- so I'm really glad I didn't ttc until after the 18 month mark.

When I'm not pregnant- I have tons of milk but just don't when I'm preggers. I definitely second (or third) the recommendation for Hilary Flowers' book.
post #8 of 15
It can definitely be done- there are lots of moms here who have, or do. I nursed my daughter while pregnant with her brother. I did lose my milk soon in the second trimester, but she kept nursing (she was 2.5 when I got pregnant). In the third trimester, I started making colostrum, which she LOVED.

Now she's almost 4.5, and still nursing! Her brother is almost 13 months. Tandem nursing has been wonderful for all of us. They have really bonded over it, holding hands and smiling at one another. And as you mentioned, it was really great, in those early days when I was engorged, to have my big girl there to help mama out!

I want to have another child, but I am committed to giving Marcos at least 2 years of nursing (and as long as he wants after that). Knowing that I'd probably lose my milk early on again, I'll wait. Not to mention, it would be nice not to be nursing three at once... But with as much as my daughter loves it, she just may never wean!
post #9 of 15
I found out I was pregnant with #2 a few days after DS turned 14 months. It took a bit longer to conceive #2, partly because of a short (6 day) luteal phase and partly because DH was at sea for part of the time. I'm just now finishing up my 1st trimester and so far DS' nursing habits haven't changed. From weeks 6-8 I had quite a bit of nipple tenderness but thankfully that subsided. My milk has changed flavor (it's quite salty now) but DS doesn't seem to mind, he still nurses about 5-8 times a day. I haven't had any breast tenderness and my supply is still holding up fine, but I am only 13 weeks. During this pregnancy and during my pregnancy with DS I did not experience any breast changes - growth, tenderness, anything. The boob fairy skips my house.

Good luck!
post #10 of 15
Every time my dd (2yo) gets a cold I consider pumping milk for her to drink out of a cup! She weaned earlier than I would have liked (we just scraped into 12 months - me eing 4 months preg, no milk, and her being hospitalized with an ng tube for other issues).
Actually, any time i give her a drink of cows milk, I thnk about it.

I dont think that would be weird.
post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 
It looks like loosing milk during a pregnancy is quite common thing. But then I just can not understand how toddlers can continue nursing while there is no milk. You mean they just kind of keep pacifying on empty breast for months?
post #12 of 15
Adventures in Tandem Nursing by the LLL has some great information about conceiving and being pregnant while breastfeeding.

I got pregnant when Qualia was 10.5 months old, figuring I would definitely be able to take her through a full year of nursing that way -- we also wanted our kids to be fairly close in age, but I wasn't ready to TTC before that because I wanted to make sure (well, as sure as one can ever be) that Qualia would have the benefits of my milk for at least a year.

Here we are, well into my second trimester, and my supply hasn't decreased at all. I might not be the norm, but I was pleasantly surprised to read in Adventures... that while a woman's milk supply can decrease or even dry up while pregnant, statistically it's not as common as some people would like you to believe.

I've had a little nipple soreness, due more to her teething than anything else I suspect. Night nursing was brutal through months 2 and 3 for me -- teething again, so a lot of marathong nursing, combined with my morning sickness and general exhaustion. But dh was very supportive and gave me naptime whenever possible, and we're doing really well right now.

Everyone's experience is different, but if close spacing is important to you, it can be done!
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by Yulia_R
You mean they just kind of keep pacifying on empty breast for months?
DD did that. She was happy to just suckle. She was delighted when my colostrum came in at the beginning of my 3rd trimester, though. Can make for some interesting poops when your colostrum come in....I thought dd had a virus b/c she "suddenly" had loose stools. After a few weeks of loose stools I realized it was from the laxative effect of colostrum....

On a side note, dry nursing was very hard on me. Tandem nursing has been probably one of the hardest and most challenging parenting decisions I have made. I struggled with a lot of discomfort and that "skin crawling" you hear of. I would want (I didn't do it but boy did I want to) to yell at DD and push her away only when she would nurse. I hated myself for feeling that way and yet I could not stop it! After ds was born and my milk came in, the irritation lessened some....9 months later, I still get mild irritation when DD nurses, but we learned during pregnancy to make some compromises on both sides and we figured out a system that works for us.

That said, I would not do anything different.....I would tandem nurse again if my nursling decided not to self-wean. If nothing else, it has developed a lot of character in me and nursing is still DD's choice tool in her "bag of tricks" with which she handles the rough patches in life. I'm very glad I did not take nursing away from her prematurely.
post #14 of 15
Yulia,
There are some great book recommendations here and some great advice. Breastfeeding during pregnancy and beyond is certainly possible although some babies will wean due to the taste change or dip in supply. My personal experience is with an older child bf through pregnancy -- she nursed my entire pregnancy but only at nighttime. I did have some discomfort and although my milk did not disappear completely, my supply did go way down towards the middle of my second trimester. One thing you may want to consider or plan for is whether you may need to be on bed rest again with your next pregnancy -- this may be a little easier with an older toddler or with plans to have someone come and stay who would be able to help you during the last few months. Good luck with your plans to TTC whenever you decide to do so!
post #15 of 15
i want to add in that i had insidious morning sickness through my first trimester, but breastfeeding was one thing that lessened it a bit!
i used to encourage my dd to drink as much as she could, all day long just to get a little relief from the devastating nausea.
Also an extra excuse to lie on couch when being pregnant all just gets too much
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