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post #21 of 41
I had a drug-free hospital birth. My L&D nurse was actually pretty cool - she tried perineal massage on me for the first time, and we spent some time talking about the drug-free route (in between contractions). The OB was the big problem...he waltzed in when I was in transition and started arguing with me about episiotomies - I had a birth plan he didn't agree with. :
Like PP said, educating yourself (and self-advocating) are your two best friends. My DH understood what I wanted, but I'm not sure he'd've gotten up in the OB's face if he needed to. Yours sounds a little more on-board
post #22 of 41
Kittyhead - Congrats on your upcoming birth! YES, birth can be done without drugs! I thought I was the biggest wimp before giving birth! Here is a link to my birth story. YOU CAN DO IT!!!
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ighlight=kiera
post #23 of 41
My labor and birth with DS 1 was a bit odd, and I know not the norm. I labored to almost 10cm without any medication, then had an emergency cesarean since DS was a footling breech. I labored at home for 5 hours, with little pain, and showed up at the birth center 8cm dialated and with a breech baby. I was taken by ambulance to the hospital to have a c-section, and I remember right before they gave me the epi, the doctor checked my cervix and said, "She's almost 10!"

The recovery from the c-section was 10x worse than labor, which for me was not that painful.
post #24 of 41
Yes you can do it! I had my first two natural in the hospital and plan to have a homebirth this time. I had my first 2 in a hospital. Education is the key. Learn and read as much as you can. It might not be a bad idea to look into a doula too. I had one with my first which really helped.

My first labor was 12 hours. I never asked for drugs. I was devoted to delivering my baby the way I wanted too. Natural is not something the hospital was use to. But I did it

With my second labor was 3 hours. Not much time to do anything

Don't let anyone tell you that you can't. Yes, it is painful at times, but it is a pain that is hard to describe. Nothing I couldn't handle. My dh was awesome too which really helped. I was always amazed at how my body knows what to do. YOU CAN DO IT!! Oh and for the record, I didn't even have a hep lock! Yep, I was one of those patients
post #25 of 41
Silly question: what's a hep lock?
post #26 of 41
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Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders
Silly question: what's a hep lock?
Not silly at all.

Here is what it says in the dicitonary: Heparin Lock (Heplock)
A small tube connected to a catheter in a vein in the arm for easy access.

It can be hooked up and unhooked at anytime. I didn't want any iv's during labor. No need. I didn't need fluid. They tried to tell me that I would need a heplock just incase they needed to administer any medicine.
post #27 of 41
You can do drug free if you put your mind to it. But honestly, you dont know how you are going to react. Some people have a very easy birth and others have complications like back labor etc. Even with the best of intentions it to me isnt always worth it. I think that I would rather have some drugs, or even full out drugs if I was in that much pain, then be in pain suffereing and not really enjoying the experience. No matter how much positive support you have, if you are miserable get the drugs, its not going to kill you and they wouldnt use them if they did cause enough problems.

Granted thats just my experience. I just think if my aunt when I say this. She was put through natural labor because her husband wanted it and she ended up resenting her child to the point she abandoned her at 6 weeks old because the pain was soo intense for her that it was all she could think of when she saw her child. Granted that is really extreme but labor is HARD and honestly I wonder if sometimes it isnt connected to postpardum depression etc.

I would try for the drug free and get the support and information, but dont beat yourself up if you end up using something. A positive experience is what is important, not being superwoman and trying to see how much pain your can endure. Thats just my $.02
post #28 of 41
Poopoo on anyone who tries to make you feel that you can't do it. I really hate that. Sometimes I will still get comments like that until I let them know that I have done it naturally before... then they don't have much to say about it And usually the people who are telling you this have not had drug-free births themselves, so they don't want to feel bad about their decisions based on someone doing something different (does that make sense?)

Anyhow, my 2nd birth was a natural totally drug-free birth. Here is a secret.... I am a WIMP! I hate pain! I am a total complainer... if I get a cold, you would think I am gonna die! And I made it through... this just goes to show me that anyone can. And no, I didn't ahve a killer easy 1 hour labor either, it was 24 hours and a pretty normally painful labor. Now, it had nothing on my induced, posterior labor, but still, it hurt. I can watch my birth video anytime I want a refresher

While it hurt, I would compare it to running a marathon (no, I have never run a marathon... I think 5 miles is the furthest I have ever run and that was with a Drill Sgt. screaming at me to go faster the whole time). Your body will be working SO hard and your muscles are going to ache and hurt, but it only hurts because of all the work it is doing. So, if you can keep that in mind, it really helps. Read lots and lots about what you are going to go through, this helps you remain calm when things change and you start shaking or throwing up or the pain changes as it mcan make sense in the logical part of your brain, which will relieve panic, which will relieve pain.

Go into it knowing you can do it, because absolutely you can. Know that your body is going to work hard and well to get your baby into this world. Know that the woman's body is perfectly designed to give birth. Just tell yourself that if Erika did it, you know you can too
post #29 of 41
Thread Starter 
reading these replies makes me feel happy, confident and strong. thank you all so much for sharing.

i think i found a doula that looks right for us, im going to call her today.
post #30 of 41
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Originally Posted by mountainsun
Kittyhead - YOU CAN DO IT!!!!

And once again, you CAN do it. Really, it is what our bodies were created to do


If you are informed, you are empowered. Even if you end up having drugs for whatever reason, you will know beforehand what the drug is, what is the effects, the secondary effects, what it does on your baby, etc.... so you can choose which drug you'd rather not have at all for exemple. Hospital staff tend to belittle the mother giving birth. My mother is a nurse and when she was working on a maternity unit, the OB told the woman: "Well, now, do you want to have pain or do you want to have no pain?" What do you think the woman will reply? The woman is in a position of vulnerability when she enters the hospital, this is why as pp said, have an advocate with you, a doula......

I could talk for hours about this topic because my mother is herself a big activist and I was surrounded by that since childhood. There is so much to say..... when you begin to look at the hospital procedure and ask questions, it bothers the doctors.... why do they have women be lying on their back during childbirth? it's the worst position! they never did that before the 19th century.... it was enforced so that the doctor has a better "view".... and OB have a training that prepares them to do an intervention (epi, cut, whatever). They don't learn at school to be discreet, to let the woman be in privacy in a nice room, to let her have a massage, scream if she needs to, walk if she feels like it, eat and drink because the body needs energy to give birth, etc....
I have an excellent reference by a US midwife:
Gentle Birth Choices by Barbara Harper, R. N.
It says a lot about the myths that have been created around childbirth.
Women rock! Their bodies were designed to give birth. When you feel empowered by a birth, you are less likely to suffer from PPD.


And have a look at the stats!

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We are living in the age of technology. Ever since we succeeded in going to the moon, we have believed that technology can do everything to solve all of our problems. So it should come as no surprise that doctors and hospitals are using more and more technology on pregnant and birthing women. Has it solved all the problems that can arise during birth? Hardly. Let's look at the recent track record.

Has the recent increasing use of technology during pregnancy and birth resulted in fewer damaged or dead babies? In the United States there has been no decrease in the past 30 years in the number of babies with cerebral palsy. The biggest killer of newborn babies is a birth weight that is too low, but the number of too-small babies born has not decreased the past 20 years. The number of babies who die while still in the womb has not decreased in more than a decade. While the past 10 years has seen a slight drop in the number of babies who die during their first week after birth, the scientific data suggest an increase in the number of babies who survive the first week but have permanent brain damage.

Is the increasing use of technology saving the lives of more pregnant and birthing women? In the United States the scientific data show no decrease during the past 10 years in the number of women who die around the time of birth (maternal mortality). In fact, recent data suggest a frightening increase in the number of women dying during pregnancy and birth in the United States. So it may be that the increase in the use of birth technologies is not only not saving more women's lives but it is also killing more women. This possibility has a reasonable scientific explanation: cesarean section and epidural anesthesia have both been used more and more in this country and we know that both cesarean section and epidural block can result in death.

We should not be surprised with the recent poor track record of high-tech birth. For many decades in the middle of the 20th century the number of babies dying around the time of birth was decreasing. This was due not to medical advances but mainly to such social advances as less severe poverty, better nutrition and better housing. Most important, the decrease in mortality was due to family planning, resulting in fewer women with many pregnancies and births. Medical care also was responsible for some of the decreasing mortality of babies, not because of high-tech interventions but because of basic medical advances, such as the discovery of antibiotics and the ability to give safe blood transfusions. There has never been any scientific evidence that high-tech interventions such as the routine use of electronic fetal monitoring during labor decrease the mortality rate of babies.

What this means is that putting yourself in the hands of a high-tech doctor and a high-tech hospital does not guarantee you the safest birth. You must yourself take responsibility for your own birth, including the decision to have technology used on you and your baby.
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from http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articl...ogyinbirth.asp

And have a look at what the hormones are for! If you have artificial chemical oxytocin, it won't reach your brain as the natural one does. You won't get the relaxation effect of it, + it helps the uterus to deliver the placenta, ++++ etc...... If you have an intervention, you are less likely to nurse the baby right after he/she enters the world.... but nursing helps the uterus to push the placenta out + delivers relaxation hormones too.
And you have endorphins like people who run long distances to make you feel better when there's pain.

Our bodies have been created with all we need! Hospitals are great when needed, but sadly they tend to forget "first do not harm"....


Sorry for being so long.... imagine it would be worse if English was my mother-tongue language

I just wanted to add that I have a private midwife and it costs me a lot but my husband and I have decided what the priorities are for us. We have no car, no big stroller, no big house, we didn't have a big marriage, etc..... but we made a choice because the birth of our baby means more than anything material. The costs is 2 months of salary for me (whereas in France, if you go to the hospital, it costs you NOTHING). But I'd rather have my baby in a country that allows private midwives to help for homebirths. I'll never have my baby in a French hospital and I don't recommend them at all.
post #31 of 41
Hi kittyhead; I labored and pushed drug free in a hospital setting; I was very firm and plain from the get go with my MW and OB, and any nurse that set foot in the room that I did NOT want to be offered any drugs, and if I needed them, I would ask for them. And not one person offered me anything. I labored for 8 hours and pushed for 2 with no interventions - so you CAN do it in a hospital, just like everyone else has told you!!

In the end, I had a C-section - I pushed for 2 hours, and he didn't budge, even a millimeter - and you know what? I felt like I had done all I could, had done my best, and decided the section was right for us. I have no regrets about it at all.

Healed up like a champ, didn't take any pain meds after I was discharged home, and really was back to normal within a couple weeks...I didn't let the fact that it didn't go exactly as I had wanted it get me down.

Now, I know not everyone has a C-section experience like I did, and for women who are railroaded or forced into them, and have surgical complications, I feel truly sorry.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I felt like I was in control of what happened, and that's why I had a great experience....so no matter what happens, you can make the best of it, as long as you stay calm and firm about your wishes!!

Oh, and yeah, it does hurt - but my whole thing was I *knew* it was going to end as soon as the baby was out, that it wouldn't go on forever, and that I would forget about it once it was over....so for me, that's how I got through it.

YOU can do it!!!
post #32 of 41
hey all... i just saw my second birth center today, where the midwife says, we have absolutely no drugs here and i want to go! my first birth i labored for all but 6 hours (so 41-6) without drugs. and the 6 hours were the most depressing. i am definitely going to labor without drugs this time and aim to have a natural child birth!
post #33 of 41
It can be done... (I am posting from my friends screen name) I did a Bradley birth with my second son.. My first one was a medicated delivery and although I still love my doctor, I still strongly feel that it is easier for them to turn it into a procedure rather than a birth... while still being kind to you. I was not at all happy with the regret of not being able to do things naturally the first time and so my DH and I decided to take Bradley Natural Childbirth Classes. Take or leave the information and teaching they give you... but I never felt more prepared or more like a team. My husband felt like he was a big part, instead of just someone on the sidelines. I had strong support and encouragement from my Bradley instructor the whole to weeks prior to my second son's birth while I was having STRONG contractions... but no progress.. Then we had a fourteen hour labor and gave birth to our son TOGETHER.. it was great and worth every penny! I will do it that way over and over again... I actually felt like I was in control and the pain was hard and intense.. but wonderful and when I used the techniques it was so manageable I was joking and laughing all the way to nine centimeters and pushing.. Believe in yourself and maybe consider researching other options (such as midwives..) that will support your choices much more.. Like they say- it's much harder to stick to a diet when you are shopping in a candy shop...
post #34 of 41
Fanny -
very well said! thanks for the info.
post #35 of 41
Thank you Mountainsun. May I add one interesting book that I deeply recommend: The Natural Pregnancy Book by US midwife Aviva Jill Romm.
Women are ofter underestimated but they rock
post #36 of 41
I will have to check out that book - I have her book "Natural Healing for Babies and Children," and I really like it.
post #37 of 41
I'm sure this is a super long shot, but do you happen to live anywhere near the Seattle/Tacoma area of Washington State? Thought not, but if you did I have some super help for you.

The best thing that I can recommend, that's availible in most areas is taking a Bradley class. I haven't had the chance to read every post here, but I'm sure all of the books I would recommend have already been mentioned. Esp. "The Thinking Woman's Guide to a Better Birth" by Henci Goer. It is really helpful, esp for women choosing hospital births. I say, read like a maniac, take good classes if you can, and talk to every natural childbirth mom you can. Also, hiring a doula (IMO) is absolutly essential. "The Doula Book" is a great book to learn about how a good doula can help you. Basically, take this time to learn everything you can. Knowledge is power, and natural birth is empowering.

Also, I really don't think there is an "old fashioned way", just the way things were meant to be, and the horror the medical community can turn them into. Birthing IS hard, natural or not. Interventions (when unnessecary) can really make things much harder. I have to agree with your mom, through natural birth is hard I wouldn't do it any other way. Ever notice how the harder something is, the more worth it it turns out to be?
post #38 of 41
I am due with my third baby in 6 1/2 weeks. I have had both of my DDs at home and I am planning to have #3 at home too! I have loved having my babies at home. Labor IS hard, but if you decide to do it, YOU CAN DO IT!!!!.

DD #1 was born in 2002 and I had a fairly long labor, but had a great support team with my husband, my mother and my midwife. I had quite a bit of back labor with her and it helped so much when my husband applied counterpressure to my backbone. I also had my mother laying wet/cold washcloths on my face during transition. There are so many resources out there for pain relief/comfort measures during labor. Peggy Simpkin has sevaral good books as well as the ones already suggested by Ina Mae Gaskin, and others.

DD#2 was born in 2004 and was a precipitous (sp?) labor (really fast labor). Totally different from #1. This labor was much shorter but much stronger (more painful) but even with night and day differences between these two labors, there was never a time when I thought " I can't do this" You can have this baby without drugs!!

I am due again in just a few weeks and am planning to have this one the same way! Wouldn't choose to do it any other way

About the Doula, I have been through doula training, and many of them will work for free or much less when they are attending births to become certified. Most of them will not have had much hands-on training at this point in their practice, but they will have everything fresh in their minds from their classes. I would highly recomend a doula for any birth, but especially for a hospital birth. They know what you are looking for with your labor and birth so they can do some of the talking with Dr's and nurses so you can concentrate on your contractions and they are also trained in natural comfort measures, like mentioned above!

Hope you have a wonderful pregnancy and birth experience!!
post #39 of 41
I am due with my third baby in 6 1/2 weeks. I have had both of my DDs at home and I am planning to have #3 at home too! I have loved having my babies at home. Labor IS hard, but if you decide to do it, YOU CAN DO IT!!!!.

DD #1 was born in 2002 and I had a fairly long labor, but had a great support team with my husband, my mother and my midwife. I had quite a bit of back labor with her and it helped so much when my husband applied counterpressure to my tailbone. I also had my mother laying wet/cold washcloths on my face during transition. There are so many resources out there for natural pain relief/comfort measures during labor. Peggy Simpkin has sevaral good books as well as the ones already suggested by Ina Mae Gaskin, and others.

DD#2 was born in 2004 and was a precipitous (sp?) labor (really fast labor). Totally different from #1. This labor was much shorter but much stronger (more painful) but even with night and day differences between these two labors, there was never a time when I thought " I can't do this" You can have this baby without drugs!!

I am due again in just a few weeks and am planning to have this one the same way! Wouldn't choose to do it any other way

About the Doula, I have been through doula training, and many of them will work for free or much less when they are attending births to become certified. Most of them will not have had much hands-on training at this point in their practice, but they will have everything fresh in their minds from their classes. I would highly recomend a doula for any birth, but especially for a hospital birth. They know what you are looking for with your labor and birth so they can do some of the talking with Dr's and nurses so you can concentrate on your contractions and they are also trained in natural comfort measures, like mentioned above!

Hope you have a wonderful pregnancy and birth experience!!
post #40 of 41
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Originally Posted by kittyhead
yep, it is going to be in a hospital... but i do live in northern california, in an area where people who think the way i do are not too unusual ... my ob is actually pretty cool, and so far she seems pretty open to a natural approach.
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i think your Ob's attitude is key. It also wouldn't hurt to find out what some of the stats/standard protocols at the hospital are in case you end up delivering w/ another dr. My Ob is very laid back, no IV unless you want drugs or there are dehydration/blood loss issues (i.e. times when it would be APPROPRIATE to have an IV!) they don't do routine episiotomies, don't do on demand induction/c-section, only when there are serious medical indications. Plus, these are the standard for all the Ob's in this practice.


I felt steamrolled into several interventions w/ my dd's birth (different hospital different dr.) and I wanted to find a place where my choices and opinions would be listened to and honored. Sounds like you found the same
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