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"They took thimerosal out of vaccines in 1999" WRONG! Let's set the record straight

post #1 of 43
1/14/06 at 9:58pm
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Are older lots of pediatric vaccines which contain thimerosal as a preservative still on the shelves in doctor’s offices and being used in the U.S.?

With the exception of some influenza vaccines and tetanus-diphtheria (Td) vaccines (given to children age 7 and older), the last lots of recommended childhood vaccines which contained thimerosal as a preservative expired by early 2003.

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/conce...-availfree.htm
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post #2 of 43
1/14/06 at 10:04pm
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Furthermore, for those of you who think your child didn't get a full strength thimerosal-containing shot if they were born after 1999 . . .

. . . don't be so sure about that because there was no recall. Pediatricians buy vaccines in large numbers and since there was no recall, you can be sure most peds didn't just throw their unexpired vaccines out in the trash. Unless they had a conscience of course.


FROM THE CDC (cont'd):

Should immunization providers stop using licensed pediatric vaccines that contain thimerosal?

No. Immunization providers should use the vaccines available in their stock.
post #3 of 43
1/14/06 at 10:28pm
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2000 (still on the shelves)
2001 (still on the shelves)
2002 (still on the shelves)
2003 (still on the shelves)
post #4 of 43
1/15/06 at 1:22am

shame on those docs
post #5 of 43
1/15/06 at 10:16am
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/...mercury10.html
post #6 of 43
1/15/06 at 3:18pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chersolly
I hear ya chersolly.

In New York, our "ban" on mercury containing vaccines begins in 2008 and it has some pharma-protecting provisions.
post #7 of 43
1/15/06 at 3:24pm
Thank you for posting this stuff LongIsland. I see to many mdc moms admit that they vaccinate but then they always quickly say "but I got the thermosal free vaxes!". Which is fine, but it makes me feel like they haven't really researched much if they believe that thermosal is really out of all vaxes or that it's the only toxin in them to worry about. I hope that many lurkers here are learning tons thanks to your info.
post #8 of 43
1/15/06 at 5:50pm
hey Long Island..thanks for this info.
This is what I am trying to fine-tune in my own knowledge..
I know there was never any recall..and so many older vax have still been used. I know it was requested to be phased out..not everyone listened..but if some inserts are going ahead and admitting there are full amounts..and some admit it is used in manufacturing them but are removed so they admit trace amounts (I am not saying that is good either) do we not have to believe without clear indication otherwise that a handful...do not contain thimerosal..as preservative, adjuvant, or in the manufacture?
Indeed they use other goodies like aluminum and formadehyde..but not thimerosal..what are your thoughts on that?
post #9 of 43
1/15/06 at 7:29pm
http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

scroll to tables..
and to make my position clear..it does not mean the other preservatives are safe..it just appears that some vax are produced without thimerosal..some are produced with it and trace amounts are left and some have a full amount.
post #10 of 43
1/15/06 at 7:32pm
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I'm not sure I understand what you're asking - do you want to know if this table is accurate?
post #11 of 43
1/15/06 at 7:50pm
I guess,
do we think this table is accurate?
post #12 of 43
1/15/06 at 8:28pm
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Which of the three tables?
post #13 of 43
1/15/06 at 8:34pm
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While technically accurate, the first table is misleading in that it does not list HibTiter multi-dose in the table, only single dose. They do have a footnote regarding this formulation however, in my opinion it should be listed in the actual table:

HibTiITER was also manufactured in thimerosal-preservative containing multidose vials but these were no longer available after 2002.
post #14 of 43
1/16/06 at 1:14am
So I got the list of ds2's vax record from the health department and that includes the lot numbers(but not the brand name) so I could see how much thymerisol he actually got since the health department said that the vaccines they have now are thymerisol free and they have been in their facility since 2000. I told them that there were thymerisol free vaxes made but if they had any on their shelves that they could still have given him ones with the higher levels.

I cant find a record of the ingredients for these lot numbers. ANyone have any ideas as to where to search?
post #15 of 43
1/16/06 at 1:05pm
Love this thread. Why?

Because I'm sick and tired of flyby posts in Vax where it is one line, "Mercury is no longer in Vaxes since '99' and then they leave........never to be seen again.

Just burns me.

this thread needs to be archived. So we can post a link the minute a flybyer does it again.
post #16 of 43
1/16/06 at 1:09pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tracy
Love this thread. Why?

Because I'm sick and tired of flyby posts in Vax where it is one line, "Mercury is no longer in Vaxes since '99' and then they leave........never to be seen again.



. . . and that statement is often made by flyby pediatricians no less.
post #17 of 43
1/16/06 at 1:26pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelaB
So I got the list of ds2's vax record from the health department and that includes the lot numbers(but not the brand name) so I could see how much thymerisol he actually got since the health department said that the vaccines they have now are thymerisol free and they have been in their facility since 2000. I told them that there were thymerisol free vaxes made but if they had any on their shelves that they could still have given him ones with the higher levels.

I cant find a record of the ingredients for these lot numbers. ANyone have any ideas as to where to search?
As far as I am aware, there is no lot number database which list thimerosal content. Do you have the manufacturer's name and the date administered? I contaced each manufacturer and we figured it out using old package inserts of what was available at the time of administration.
post #18 of 43
1/16/06 at 11:42pm
Thanks for the info. The tables were interesting information. I gotta read the whole FDA document when I have more time.
post #19 of 43
1/17/06 at 12:14am
I dont have company info but I will ask the health dept again. I think I will have to ask each manufacturer. I dont have the inserts either. I didnt know to ask and no one offered them when vaxes were done. thanks for replying!
post #20 of 43
1/17/06 at 12:55am
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The thimerosal-laced vaxes my 8 year old received were the Hep B (12.5 micrograms each dose) and DTaP (25 micrograms each dose). It was easy for me to find out b/c there were no TF (or reduced) formulations at that time for brands he was given.

If you got his shots at the health department, I would not count on all those shots they were administering being thimerosal free in 2000. No way . . . not with the amount of doses health departments need to stockpile. The CDC/AAP made the recommendation in July 1999 . . . and the department claims they no longer administered thimerosal-containing vaxes in 2000 . . . I don't know about that. What did they do with their thimerosal-containing doses - we know they didn't throw them out.

Merck was still producing full strength Hep. B well after the recommendation.

Can you list the information you have, with the adminstration dates.
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